Y11268

[Evg]

Wkrótce się przekonamy. Oczekuję na wyniki WGS z Dante Lab, które później wrzucę do FullY. 3 tygodnie temu rozpoczeli sekwencjonowanie więc w ciągu miesiąca lub dwóch powinno się potwierdzić. Co wiadomo o Y 139506? Czy byli to protoplaści Jaćwingów?
Tomasz Mikutel

Томаш, не фига не понял. Может, хотя бы, на английском?

Скоро узнаем. Я ожидаю результатов WGS от Dante Lab, которые позже добавлю в FullY. 3 недели назад они начали секвенирование так что через месяц или два должно быть подтверждено. Что известно о Y 139506? Были ли они прародителями Ятвингов?

We'll find out soon enough. I'm waiting for the WGS results from Dante Lab, which I'll upload to FullY later. They started sequencing three weeks ago, so it should be confirmed in a month or two. What is known about Y 139506? Were they the ancestors of the Jawwings?

Tomasz Mikutel

[Evg]

The following person joined the R1a-Y11268Subclades Project:

Tomasz Mikutel

Kit Number: B567644

Думаю он из Y139506

Я тоже сразу предположил  Y 139505 опираясь на слабый аргумент dus 439>10.У моего соседа из Рязани тоже dus 439=11.

Wkrótce się przekonamy. Oczekuję na wyniki WGS z Dante Lab, które później wrzucę do FullY. 3 tygodnie temu rozpoczeli sekwencjonowanie więc w ciągu miesiąca lub dwóch powinno się potwierdzić. Co wiadomo o Y 139506? Czy byli to protoplaści Jaćwingów?

Tomasz Mikutel

Nie twierdzę, że Y-139506 byli przodkami yatwigów. Czy wśród jatwigów byli nosiciele Y-139506 - prawdopodobnie. Podobnie jak nosiciele innych haplotypów.
Kłamie co:
Od VII xi wieku we wschodniej części Pojezierza Mazurskiego i dalej na wschód Starożytność sudawów / Kultura kamiennych kopców / nie jest jeszcze znana. Ponownie kamienno-ziemne Kurgany, wylewane na zwłoki, pojawiają się tutaj w XIXIII wieku, odpowiadając kronikom Jaćwingów. Ich zasięg obejmował Wschodnie Mazury, południowo-zachodnią Litwę (Suwalszczyznę) i część obecnego obwodu grodzieńskiego Białorusi.
Przypomnę, że y-139506 formed 2000 ybp, TMRCA 1650 ybp.

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Tomasz Mikutel

Evg, Томаш знает английский. По почте мы прекрасно поняли английский друг друга. Зачем на Молгене он перешел на польский, я не знаю, но не думаю, что этому надо потворствовать .

[Tomasz Mikutel]

The reason was simple, I noticed that when I was using google translator to translate from Polish to Russian a lot of information was lost in translation, so I decided to speak in my native language. To make it easier for everyone I will write in English.

Ps:  the new result YF123698 under YP6504 belongs to me. When YFull notified me about my preliminarily determined haplogroup, there was a star sign, next to YP6504*. What does it mean?

[NathanS]

the new result YF123698 under YP6504 belongs to me. When YFull notified me about my preliminarily determined haplogroup, there was a star sign, next to YP6504*. What does it mean?

The star means that you don't belong to any known subclade under R-YP6504. If you will share one or some SNPs with someone else, for example the other guy in YP6504 or a new tester, than you will form a new subclade.
Please, check your account/sample setteings at YFull and fill in known information about your paternal ancestor, his country and possible region of origin. Language is commonly used to reflect ethnic origin of the ancestor.

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The reason was simple, I noticed that when I was using google translator to translate from Polish to Russian a lot of information was lost in translation, so I decided to speak in my native language. To make it easier for everyone I will write in English.

Hi, Tomasz!
I believe it`s right decision cos when you speaks on polish here you put us in the lost in translation as well. It`s make no sense. Automatic Polish to Russian translations is nightmare as well as English to Russian.

Ps:  the new result YF123698 under YP6504 belongs to me. When YFull notified me about my preliminarily determined haplogroup, there was a star sign, next to YP6504*. What does it mean?

Good for you and for all of us in R-Y11268! We have to have as many as possible BigY tests. I`m begging you to do a few simple steps: in addition to NathanS post about the farthest paternal ancestor, you could but shouldn't, describes him as Yotvingian.
P.S. Try don`t use term "preliminarily determined haplogroup" /Your haplogroup is R1a, obviously/ - "haplotype" or "terminal SNP" is better.

[Tomasz Mikutel]

I have just updated info on Yfull, thank you for the useful tips. Would it help if I contact FTDNA project group admins and inform them about my predicted haplotype or should I wait for Yfull to process my results first?

[NathanS]

I have just updated info on Yfull, thank you for the useful tips. Would it help if I contact FTDNA project group admins and inform them about my predicted haplotype or should I wait for Yfull to process my results first?

I think that you should wait until the analysis is completed and a bit more. It usually takes a few days or a week for YFull to find shared SNPs with other users. So after the completion of the analysis it can take some time until a new branch is identified. If no shared SNPs with YF093359 are found or the sublade's structure is changed, then it will be more probable that you stay in this star group (until new results change it). After that you can inform the project's admins about your haplogroup, a new one or with the star. Stay calm, things take time in genealogy.

[Bakalavrr]

Как ни крути YP 6504 составляет добрую половину Y 11268 . Ну а мы немножко ошиблись в сторону Y 139506 и      Y 139505 

[blackash]

I have just updated info on Yfull, thank you for the useful tips.

Thank you, Tomasz, "from the bottom of my heart"! What you just did is a Big Deal. Anyway, are you sure that your paternal ancestor was a native  polish speaker? 

Would it help if I contact FTDNA project group admins and inform them about my predicted haplotype or should I wait for Yfull to process my results first?

I don`t know what exact reason to do it. Less likely that admins in FtDNA will consider this information. For example I, at this moment in Polish project, still in group "R-Z280 : Z92+ Y4459+" when I long time "Z92+ Y4459+ YP617+ YP573+ YP569+ YP575+ YP11268+" and so on. I don`t care it all.

[blackash]

Как ни крути YP 6504 составляет добрую половину Y 11268 . Ну а мы немножко ошиблись в сторону Y 139506 и      Y 139505 

Ну, во первых, мы же не забыли тех двоих которые разбили наш снип и, не заплатив, дематериализовались? Во-вторых есть надежда на Вислава Билека, в-третьих заметили как R-Y22792, R-BY27257, R-YP4846, R-YP6505, R-FTA77656, R-FTA77656, R-FTA77656, R-FTB6198, R-Y250924, R-Y136092, R-BY32093, R-BY30753, R-BY30750, R-BY30752 плотненько сформировались 2000 лет назад во время римского климатического оптимума? Т.е. сам по себе взрыв формировании SNP не удивителен, осталось определить место. Глядя на состав ветки, я бы сказал где-то на среднерусской возвышенности с тяготением к Балтике. Но данных пока еще мало. Да, и конечно, следует учитывать, что может появится снип, который разобъет эти построения "вдребезги и пополам".

[Tomasz Mikutel]

Как ни крути YP 6504 составляет добрую половину Y 11268 . Ну а мы немножко ошиблись в сторону Y 139506 и      Y 139505 

Ну, во первых, мы же не забили тех двоих которые разбили наш снип и, не заплатив, дематериализовались? Во-вторых есть надежда на Вислава Билека, в-третьих заметили как R-Y22792, R-BY27257, R-YP4846, R-YP6505, R-FTA77656, R-FTA77656, R-FTA77656, R-FTB6198, R-Y250924, R-Y136092, R-BY32093, R-BY30753, R-BY30750, R-BY30752 плотненько сформировались 2000 лет назад во время римского климатического оптимума? Т.е. сам по себе взрыв формировании SNP не удивителен, осталось определить место. Глядя на состав ветки, я бы сказал где-то на среднерусской возвышенности с тяготением к Балтике. Но данных пока еще мало. Да, и конечно, следует учитывать, что может появится снип, который разобъет эти построения "вдребезги и пополам".

They belonged to Ruthenian Uniate Church, books and inventories were written in Polish, they moved to Catholic church around 1800, but I guess their first language was Lithuanian as Polish was considered a language of the nobles at that time, and my ancestors were bojars (in XVIII centuary it was a middle class between peasants and nobles). I have just updated my ancestor language on Yfull to Lithuanian.

The reason why I wanted to notify the FTDNA group admins is to get my kit into a right group. Knowing which group I belong will help me to see who is closer to me on FTDNA website.

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They belonged to Ruthenian Uniate Church, books and inventories were written in Polish, they moved to Catholic church around 1800,

This statement proofs nothing.  In Greek Catholic Church (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarusian_Greek_Catholic_Church)  liturgy performed by  Church Slavonic language, but metrical books were writing in strange mixture of latin, polish and russian languages. Of course inventories were written in polish in late 18th, but at 300 years earlier inventories were written on old russian - state language of Grand Duchy of Lithuania.

but I guess their first language was Lithuanian as Polish was considered a language of the nobles at that time, and my ancestors were bojars (in XVIII centuary it was a middle class between peasants and nobles).

I know who bojars were.

I have just updated my ancestor language on Yfull to Lithuanian.

IMHO. Now it`s better, no doubt about it.

The reason why I wanted to notify the FTDNA group admins is to get my kit into a right group. Knowing which group I belong will help me to see who is closer to me on FTDNA website.

No, it will not. Cos I do nothing to fix my missplacement.

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На YFull новый кит в ветке R-BY30750* из Nebula Genomics.

[Evg]

Значит правильно  когда-то все они назывались Тартария?
Интересно очень ваше мнение.
http://xn--80aagie6cnnb.xn--p1ai/libraries?utf8=%E2%9C%93&search=%D0%93%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B4&button=search/

https://business--gazeta-ru.turbopages.org/turbo/business-gazeta.ru/s/article/536057