C-M86 восточная ветвь

[Nimissin]

В составе восточной ветви гаплогруппы C-M86 в основном образцы представителей тунгусо-маньчжурских народов и их соседей.
Обнаружил интересное родство по мужской линии у трех образцов: Evk14 (эвенк из Ессея, Красноярский край), HGDP01206 (орочон из Китая), S_Even-2 (эвен из Джигды, Хабаровский край). Мужчины из разных народов оказались в одной и той же ветви B89 игрек-хромосомы.
Орочоны Китая оказались на правом берегу Амура вследствие недавних миграционных процессов. Схематически это миграции эвенков из бассейна Вилюя на Алдан и дальше на южную сторону Станового хребта в 17-18 веке. После присоединения левого берега Амура к России (1858) часть эвенкийских родов переселилась на правый берег. В Китае орочоны и эвенки-солоны считаются разными народами.
Что касается эвена, то его национальная идентификация весьма любопытна. Известно, что в селе Джигда основным коренным населением являются алдано-майские эвенки.     

[sahaliyan]

F5484/SK1061,the eastern branch,all the Evenki,Oroqen samples belong to this branch,and the so called Manchu cluster is the downstream branch
F6170,the mainstream western branch, Kazakhs and Oirats belong to this branch,downstream SK1064 and F12502,SK1064 is the main branch,found in western Mongolia,Kalmyks and Kazakhs
SK1061 and F6170 both exist in Xibe people

[Nimissin]

You are right, dear sahaliyan.
I am just investigating C-M86.
Evk14, HGDP01206, S_Even-2: F5484 > B469 > B87 > B89. The B89 age is about 1600 yBP.
Xibe HGDP01250: F5484 > B469 > B87 > own branch.

[sahaliyan]

SK1061 and F6170 separated 3300 years YBP
I personally think F6170 didn't present in Mongolia before the 840 AD,this year the Yenisein Kyrghiz destroyed the Uyghur Khanate,the Mongolic population began their westward movement

[Nimissin]

SK1061 and F6170 separated 3300 years YBP

I think so. And where did that split occure?

I personally think F6170 didn't present in Mongolia before the 840 AD,this year the Yenisein Kyrghiz destroyed the Uyghur Khanate,the Mongolic population began their westward movement

Dear sahaliyan, what about the C-M86 Kazakh origin? Since 840 AD too?

[sahaliyan]

SK1061 and F6170 separated 3300 years YBP

I think so. And where did that split occured?

I personally think F6170 didn't present in Mongolia before the 840 AD,this year the Yenisein Kyrghiz destroyed the Uyghur Khanate,the Mongolic population began their westward movement

Dear sahaliyan, what about the C-M86 Kazakh origin? Since 840 AD too?

East of Baikal,Upper reaches of the amur River Basin and Hulunbuir.I do think the Kazakh M86 have same origin with the Mongolic M86,after all the western branch is very young,2300 YBP I think,and M86 is not an important haplogroup or non exist in most Turkic population,also F5481 also exist in Kazakhs,nearly all C3 star cluster belong to F5481(all the Kazakh star cluster belong to this branch and Most mongols) ,aged 1400 YBP,while the F5481- star cluster found in Barguts and some Mongols and one Hazara),and the relatives of star cluster found in Daurs and Asin gioro family,again both C3 star cluster and relatives not found in most Turkic population,so the Kazakhs share many young common male ancestors with Mongols,and I think history is clear,all those branches origin in east

[sahaliyan]

http://istorja.ru/forums/topic/1899-dyakov-aa-vospominaniya-o-vosstanii-v-1864%E2%80%941871-godah-v-iliyskom-krae/#comment-20480

[Nimissin]

Thank you!

[Nimissin]

Paternal origin of Tungusic‐speaking populations: Insights from the updated phylogenetic tree of Y‐chromosome haplogroup C2a‐M86.

Bing‐Li Liu  Peng‐Cheng Ma  Chi‐Zao Wang  Shi Yan  Hong‐Bing Yao  Yong‐Lan Li  Yong‐Mei Xie  Song‐Lin Meng  Jin Sun  Yan‐Huan Cai  Sarengaowa Sarengaowa  Hui Li  Hui‐Zhen Cheng  Lan‐Hai Wei

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ajhb.23462

Abstract

Objectives
Haplogroup C2a‐M48 is the predominant paternal lineage of Tungusic‐speaking populations, one of the largest population groups in Siberia. Up until now, the origins and dispersal of Tungusic‐speaking populations have remained unclear. In this study, the demographic history of Tungusic‐speaking populations was explored using the phylogenetic analysis of haplogroup C2a‐M86, the major subbranch of C2a‐M48.

Materials and methods
In total, 18 newly generated Y chromosome sequences from C2a‐M48 males and 20 previously available Y‐chromosome sequences from this haplogroup were analyzed. A highly revised phylogenetic tree of haplogroup C2a‐M86 with age estimates was reconstructed. Frequencies of this lineage in the literature were collected and a comprehensive analysis of this lineage in 13 022 individuals from 245 populations in Eurasia was performed.

Results
The distribution map of C2a‐M48 indicated the most probable area of origin and diffusion route of this paternal lineage in North Eurasia. Most C2a‐M86 samples from Tungusic‐speaking populations belonged to the sublineage C2a‐F5484, which emerged about 3300 years ago. We identified six unique sublineages corresponding to the Manchu, Evenks, Evens, Oroqen, and Daurpopulations; these sublineages diverged gradually over the past 1900 years. Notably, we observed a clear north‐south dichotomous structure for sublineages derived from C2a‐F5484, consistent with the internal north‐south divergence of Tungusic languages and ethnic groups.

Conclusions
We identified the important founding paternal haplogroup, C2a‐F5484, for Tungusic‐speaking populations as well as numerous unique subgroups of this haplogroup. We propose that the timeframe for the divergence of C2a‐F5484 corresponds with the early differentiation of ancestral Tungusic‐speaking populations.

В работе все современные данные по восточной ветви С-М86, о также о редкой ветви С-М48(хМ86).

[Farroukh]

так называемого ойрадского гаплотипа гаплогруппы С-М86.

Гаплогруппа C-M86 (ныне - M48, возраст около 14 тыс. лет) имеет как ойратский субклад C-F6193 (возраст около 1000 лет), так и восточносибирский субклад C-F11120 (возраст около 2700 лет, ранее известен как C-F5484). Они разошлись более десяти тысяч лет назад, и потому средневековые ойраты C-F6193 никак не могут считаться предками сибиряков C-F11120.

[Farroukh]

Да, этот субклад имеется

[asan-kaygy]

Medieval Super-Grandfather founder of Western Kazakh Clans from Haplogroup C2a1a2-M48
in Journal of Human Genetics.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s10038-021-00901-5

[mayndjkeen]

Unveiling 2,000 years of differentiation among Tungusic-speaking populations: a revised phylogeny of the paternal founder lineage C2a-M48-SK1061
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fgene.2023.1243730/full