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Re: Эксперименты Srkz с аутосомами
« Ответ #750 : 21 Февраль 2019, 17:39:26 »
А как они выглядят по аутосомам? Совпадают ли с "усредненной русской популяцией" или же всё-таки сильно отличаются от неё?
Тогда уж с усреднённой севернорусской? Совпадают, только почему-то небольшой крен к удмуртам получался. Общую линию с венгром и поляком наверное можно отнести на славянские миграции?

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Re: Эксперименты Srkz с аутосомами
« Ответ #751 : 21 Февраль 2019, 20:25:39 »
А как они выглядят по аутосомам? Совпадают ли с "усредненной русской популяцией" или же всё-таки сильно отличаются от неё?
Тогда уж с усреднённой севернорусской? Совпадают, только почему-то небольшой крен к удмуртам получался. Общую линию с венгром и поляком наверное можно отнести на славянские миграции?

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Re: Эксперименты Srkz с аутосомами
« Ответ #752 : 25 Февраль 2019, 06:59:21 »
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Тогда уж с усреднённой севернорусской? Совпадают, только почему-то небольшой крен к удмуртам получался. Общую линию с венгром и поляком наверное можно отнести на славянские миграции?

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Re: Эксперименты Srkz с аутосомами
« Ответ #753 : 25 Февраль 2019, 09:37:27 »
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Тогда уж с усреднённой севернорусской? Совпадают, только почему-то небольшой крен к удмуртам получался. Общую линию с венгром и поляком наверное можно отнести на славянские миграции?

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В Каргополе?

Просто Q-YP789 никак со славянскми миграциями ранее не ассоциировался. 
А вот одиночка из степи дойти до Каргополя и сделать свой вклад в северорусский генофонд вполне мог:)
Кстати, вчера нашел Q-YP789 в WeGene... так что среди китайских национальных меньшинств он тоже есть.
См. http://forum.molgen.org/index.php/topic,3500.msg446604.html#msg446604

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Re: Эксперименты Srkz с аутосомами
« Ответ #754 : 25 Февраль 2019, 09:43:29 »
Просто Q-YP789 никак со славянскми миграциями ранее не ассоциировался. 
А вот одиночка из степи дойти до Каргополя и сделать свой вклад в северорусский генофонд вполне мог:)
Так речь ведь об общей линиии с венгром и поляком. И как отмечается там еще целый ряд гаплогрупп западного происхождения, а с запада кроме славян туда вроде никто не приходил, во всяком случае в указанный временной промежуток.

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Re: Эксперименты Srkz с аутосомами
« Ответ #755 : 25 Февраль 2019, 14:25:31 »
Просто Q-YP789 никак со славянскми миграциями ранее не ассоциировался. 
А вот одиночка из степи дойти до Каргополя и сделать свой вклад в северорусский генофонд вполне мог:)
Так речь ведь об общей линиии с венгром и поляком. И как отмечается там еще целый ряд гаплогрупп западного происхождения, а с запада кроме славян туда вроде никто не приходил, во всяком случае в указанный временной промежуток.
А кто вообще в этой ветке есть (предиктуется), кроме этих 2 образцов на дереве YFull. И кто на «этаж» выше? Есть гипотезы периода и обстоятельств появления данного скбкладасреди восточно-европейцев?

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Re: Эксперименты Srkz с аутосомами
« Ответ #756 : 25 Февраль 2019, 14:38:46 »
Просто Q-YP789 никак со славянскми миграциями ранее не ассоциировался. 
А вот одиночка из степи дойти до Каргополя и сделать свой вклад в северорусский генофонд вполне мог:)
Так речь ведь об общей линиии с венгром и поляком. И как отмечается там еще целый ряд гаплогрупп западного происхождения, а с запада кроме славян туда вроде никто не приходил, во всяком случае в указанный временной промежуток.
А кто вообще в этой ветке есть (предиктуется), кроме этих 2 образцов на дереве YFull. И кто на «этаж» выше? Есть гипотезы периода и обстоятельств появления данного скбкладасреди восточно-европейцев?

Выше по ветке (параллельно) - туркмены, ниже (параллельно) - татары и еще один польский шляхтич.
Короче, никакая это не восточноевропейская ветвь, а типично центральноазиатская.

Ну и вот здесь несколько палеобразцов Q-L715 и L713, которые я разбирал:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/172YyG00ZsUYQW1aBXfRNR9uKatZ6kZARIXDIQjFXRc4/edit?usp=sharing
Тянь-шанские гунны.

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Re: Эксперименты Srkz с аутосомами
« Ответ #757 : 25 Февраль 2019, 15:41:20 »
А вот одиночка из степи дойти до Каргополя и сделать свой вклад в северорусский генофонд вполне мог:)
Или из Польши :) В общем, в какой-то момент между 1600 YBP и современностью субклад стал восточноевропейским.

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Re: Эксперименты Srkz с аутосомами
« Ответ #758 : 25 Февраль 2019, 16:11:55 »
Короче, никакая это не восточноевропейская ветвь, а типично центральноазиатская.
Да никто ж и не спорит, что центральноазиатская, вопрос в дате и в том что судя по возрастам попала она в Каргополь не одна, а в веселой компании европейских гаплогрупп, имея и своих родичей в Европе....Ну а когда и с кем она в Европу попала из ЦА это другой вопрос.

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Re: Эксперименты Srkz с аутосомами
« Ответ #759 : 25 Февраль 2019, 17:13:33 »
А вот одиночка из степи дойти до Каргополя и сделать свой вклад в северорусский генофонд вполне мог:)
Или из Польши :) В общем, в какой-то момент между 1600 YBP и современностью субклад стал восточноевропейским.

Да. Кстати, из Польши очень даже может быть.
Но без достаточного количества образцов и датировок это пока гадание на кофейной гуще.

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Re: Эксперименты Srkz с аутосомами
« Ответ #760 : 25 Февраль 2019, 21:04:09 »

Но без достаточного количества образцов и датировок это пока гадание на кофейной гуще.
Так гадать на кофейной гуще это и есть самое приятное в ожидании очередных результатов, которые могут прояснить ситуацию :)
Гунны, как раз, хорошо подходят на роль донора восточно-европейских Q-YP789. Граница 4-5 веков очень даже походит ::)

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Re: Эксперименты Srkz с аутосомами
« Ответ #761 : 01 Март 2019, 15:05:40 »
Сергей, а не попадались ли случайно образцы староверов Верхокамья?  Их центр был в оханском Сепыче, по устной легенде пришли с Вятки.  На что они интересно похожи.  Видела раннюю работу про митохондрии - по выводам не отличаются особо от обычных русских того региона.  Интересно, по аутосомам отличаются ли.
Вроде не было. Часто описывают происхождение не настолько подробно, могли о происхождении от староверов не упомянуть. Есть научная выборка с тобольскими староверами, они в целом на вятчан и похожи.

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Re: Эксперименты Srkz с аутосомами
« Ответ #762 : 01 Март 2019, 18:32:01 »
Спасибо

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Re: Эксперименты Srkz с аутосомами
« Ответ #763 : 07 Июнь 2019, 21:46:39 »
Ув.Srkz  прогнал данные моего родного брата, вот что получилось:

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 5,412876
2 Belarusian_West @ 5,465463
3 Polish @ 5,476697
4 Belarusian_Poleshtchuk @ 5,684266
5 Russian_Smolensk @ 5,797293
6 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 6,180526
7 Belarusian_Gomel @ 6,258099
8 Belarusian_Minsk @ 6,404749
9 Russian_Kuban @ 6,42483
10 Belarusian_Vitebsk_Mogilyov @ 6,504586
11 Russian_Andreapol @ 6,801848
12 Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 6,977882
13 Russian_Bryansk @ 7,111258
14 Polish_North_East @ 7,171062
15 Ukrainian_Vinnitsa_Zhitomir @ 7,172365
16 Russian_Tver @ 7,211868
17 Russian_Murom @ 7,235188
18 Russian_Kursk_Oryol @ 7,442828
19 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,58299
20 Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 7,69594
21 Russian_Don @ 8,101671
22 Russian_Moscow @ 8,136578
23 Russian_Meshtchyora @ 8,15996
24 Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh @ 8,291478
25 Russian_Saratov @ 8,507177
26 Russian_Tambov @ 8,543555
27 Russian_Ivanovo @ 8,544514
28 Russian_Arzamas @ 8,640017
29 Ukrainian_Galichina @ 9,025969
30 Russian_Pskov @ 9,086029
31 Lithuanian @ 9,86004
32 Russian_Uglich @ 10,085238
33 Moksha @ 10,157698
34 Erzya @ 10,18432
35 Russian_Novgorod @ 10,890885

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Polish+Russian_Smolensk @ 4,620075
2 Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 4,982229
3 Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 5,157629
4 Belarusian_Vitebsk_Mogilyov+Polish @ 5,172619
5 Belarusian_West+Russian_Smolensk @ 5,184007
6 Belarusian_Gomel+Polish @ 5,193506
7 Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_Vinnitsa_Zhitomir @ 5,193575
8 Belarusian_Poleshtchuk+Russian_Smolensk @ 5,227056
9 Belarusian_Minsk+Polish @ 5,248772
10 Belarusian_West+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 5,252088
11 Belarusian_West+Polish @ 5,273848
12 Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,277573
13 Polish+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 5,294076
14 Belarusian_Poleshtchuk+Belarusian_West @ 5,315611
15 Belarusian_Poleshtchuk+Polish @ 5,350256
16 Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 5,412876
17 Polish+Russian_Andreapol @ 5,432203
18 Belarusian_Poleshtchuk+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 5,433895
19 Russian_Kuban+Russian_Smolensk @ 5,456725
20 Belarusian_West+Russian_Kuban @ 5,457485
21 Polish+Russian_Kuban @ 5,460115
22 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West @ 5,465463
23 Polish+Polish @ 5,476697
24 Belarusian_Gomel+Belarusian_West @ 5,506693
25 Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,507445
26 Belarusian_Vitebsk_Mogilyov+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 5,527651
27 Belarusian_Minsk+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 5,527964
28 Belarusian_Vitebsk_Mogilyov+Belarusian_West @ 5,529653
29 Belarusian_Minsk+Belarusian_West @ 5,530608
30 Belarusian_Gomel+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 5,557823
31 Polish_North_East+Polish @ 5,580238
32 Belarusian_West+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,661417
33 Latvian+Ukrainian_Carpaty @ 5,681937
34 Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_Galichina @ 5,683179
35 Belarusian_Poleshtchuk+Belarusian_Poleshtchuk @ 5,684266

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Russian_Smolensk +25% Polish +25% Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 4,762245
2 50% Polish +25% Russian_Smolensk +25% Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 4,798785
3 50% Polish +25% Polish +25% Russian_Smolensk @ 4,801622
4 50% Polish +25% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Smolensk @ 4,833506
5 50% Polish +25% Belarusian_Poleshtchuk +25% Russian_Smolensk @ 4,855487
6 50% Russian_Smolensk +25% Belarusian_West +25% Polish @ 4,855893
7 50% Polish +25% Belarusian_Gomel +25% Russian_Smolensk @ 4,85609
8 50% Russian_Smolensk +25% Polish +25% Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 4,860094
9 50% Russian_Smolensk +25% Polish +25% Ukrainian_Vinnitsa_Zhitomir @ 4,861454
10 50% Polish +25% Russian_Kuban +25% Russian_Smolensk @ 4,864366
11 50% Polish +25% Belarusian_Vitebsk_Mogilyov +25% Russian_Smolensk @ 4,866382
12 50% Russian_Smolensk +25% Belarusian_Poleshtchuk +25% Polish @ 4,868447
13 50% Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina +25% Polish +25% Russian_Smolensk @ 4,879635
14 50% Polish +25% Belarusian_Minsk +25% Russian_Smolensk @ 4,890707
15 50% Russian_Smolensk +25% Polish +25% Russian_Kuban @ 4,909644
16 50% Russian_Smolensk +25% Polish +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,917237
17 50% Russian_Smolensk +25% Russian_Smolensk +25% Ukrainian_Carpaty @ 4,935729
18 50% Belarusian_West +25% Polish +25% Russian_Smolensk @ 4,972889
19 50% Russian_Smolensk +25% Polish +25% Russian_Smolensk @ 4,986258
20 50% Polish +25% Lithuanian +25% Polish @ 4,986264
21 50% Polish +25% Russian_Smolensk +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,986847
22 50% Polish +25% Russian_Andreapol +25% Russian_Smolensk @ 4,994681
23 50% Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina +25% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Smolensk @ 4,998701
24 50% Russian_Smolensk +25% Polish +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,005007
25 50% Polish +25% Polish_North_East +25% Russian_Smolensk @ 5,007914


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Polish+Polish+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Smolensk @ 4,620075
2 Polish+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 4,762245
3 Polish+Polish+Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 4,798785
4 Polish+Polish+Polish+Russian_Smolensk @ 4,801622
5 Belarusian_West+Polish+Polish+Russian_Smolensk @ 4,833506
6 Belarusian_Poleshtchuk+Polish+Polish+Russian_Smolensk @ 4,855487
7 Belarusian_West+Polish+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Smolensk @ 4,855893
8 Belarusian_Gomel+Polish+Polish+Russian_Smolensk @ 4,85609
9 Polish+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 4,860094
10 Polish+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_Vinnitsa_Zhitomir @ 4,861454
11 Polish+Polish+Russian_Kuban+Russian_Smolensk @ 4,864366
12 Belarusian_Vitebsk_Mogilyov+Polish+Polish+Russian_Smolensk @ 4,866382
13 Belarusian_Poleshtchuk+Polish+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Smolensk @ 4,868447
14 Belarusian_West+Polish+Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 4,875452
15 Polish+Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 4,879635
16 Belarusian_Minsk+Polish+Polish+Russian_Smolensk @ 4,890707
17 Polish+Russian_Kuban+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Smolensk @ 4,909644
18 Polish+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,917237
19 Belarusian_Poleshtchuk+Polish+Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 4,926029
20 Belarusian_Poleshtchuk+Belarusian_West+Polish+Russian_Smolensk @ 4,93313
21 Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_Carpaty @ 4,935729
22 Belarusian_West+Polish+Russian_Kuban+Russian_Smolensk @ 4,950482
23 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Polish+Russian_Smolensk @ 4,972889
24 Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 4,982229

и для сравнения мои, которые делались еще 6 лет назад:

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Russian_South_West_R7 @ 4,611419
2 Russian_Center @ 5,311741
3 Ukrainian_R2 @ 5,623246
4 Russian_Meshtchyora_R4 @ 5,82235
5 Ukrainian_East_R3 @ 6,625159
6 Russian_South_R3 @ 7,064115
7 Russian_Yaroslavl_R2 @ 7,716927
8 Erzya_R4 @ 7,841723
9 Belarusian_D @ 8,875269
10 Polish-Belarusian_R2 @ 8,912849
11 Russian_North_R8 @ 9,121584
12 Russian_Vyatka_R2 @ 9,144118
13 Russian_Pskov_R3 @ 10,392429
14 Slovak_D @ 10,565654
15 Russian_Perm_R3 @ 11,506049
16 Balt_R2 @ 13,842732
17 Carpathian_R1 @ 13,938684
18 Mishar_R2 @ 15,717014
19 Estonian_D @ 16,113515
20 Tatar_Bashkiria_R2 @ 16,115845
21 Tatar_R5 @ 18,365847
22 Komi_R1 @ 19,091973
23 Serbian_R1 @ 24,440112
24 Permyak_D @ 26,691237
25 Chuvash_R2 @ 27,08605
26 Bashkir_R1 @ 30,509362
27 Mari_D @ 33,924621
28 Romanian_D @ 34,538642
29 Udmurt_D @ 34,803995
30 Mansi_D @ 39,721219
31 Ashkenazi_R1 @ 43,621432
32 Finnish_R3 @ 44,872945
33 Kazakh_R2 @ 52,664669
33 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Russian_Pskov_R3+Slovak_D @ 3,961877
2 Russian_North_R8+Ukrainian_R2 @ 4,197451
3 Russian_Center+Ukrainian_R2 @ 4,476326
4 Russian_Meshtchyora_R4+Ukrainian_R2 @ 4,487592
5 Ukrainian_R2+Russian_Yaroslavl_R2 @ 4,505994
6 Ukrainian_R2+Russian_South_West_R7 @ 4,546349
7 Belarusian_D+Slovak_D @ 4,556641
8 Russian_South_West_R7+Russian_South_West_R7 @ 4,611419
9 Russian_Yaroslavl_R2+Slovak_D @ 4,818144
10 Russian_Center+Russian_South_West_R7 @ 4,883409
11 Russian_Vyatka_R2+Ukrainian_R2 @ 4,941857
12 Russian_North_R8+Ukrainian_East_R3 @ 5,006387
13 Russian_Center+Slovak_D @ 5,030112
14 Russian_Meshtchyora_R4+Russian_South_West_R7 @ 5,041901
15 Russian_Meshtchyora_R4+Slovak_D @ 5,075185
16 Carpathian_R1+Russian_Pskov_R3 @ 5,075372
17 Balt_R2+Slovak_D @ 5,08831
18 Erzya_R4+Ukrainian_R2 @ 5,138902
19 Polish-Belarusian_R2+Slovak_D @ 5,216413
20 Russian_Perm_R3+Ukrainian_East_R3 @ 5,221921
21 Russian_Perm_R3+Ukrainian_R2 @ 5,242193
22 Russian_North_R8+Russian_South_R3 @ 5,253804
23 Russian_Center+Russian_Center @ 5,311741
24 Russian_South_West_R7+Ukrainian_East_R3 @ 5,399737
25 Russian_Perm_R3+Russian_South_R3 @ 5,413432
26 Erzya_R4+Russian_South_West_R7 @ 5,423984
27 Russian_Meshtchyora_R4+Ukrainian_East_R3 @ 5,477006
28 Russian_North_R8+Russian_South_West_R7 @ 5,485671
29 Russian_South_West_R7+Slovak_D @ 5,506116

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Russian_South_West_R7 +25% Russian_North_R8 +25% Slovak_D @ 3,6679
2 50% Ukrainian_R2 +25% Russian_North_R8 +25% Russian_South_West_R7 @ 3,688974
3 50% Slovak_D +25% Russian_North_R8 +25% Balt_R2 @ 3,712348
4 50% Ukrainian_R2 +25% Russian_Perm_R3 +25% Russian_South_West_R7 @ 3,759071
5 50% Ukrainian_R2 +25% Russian_North_R8 +25% Russian_Center @ 3,80332
6 50% Ukrainian_R2 +25% Russian_North_R8 +25% Ukrainian_R2 @ 3,830323
7 50% Ukrainian_R2 +25% Russian_Perm_R3 +25% Belarusian_D @ 3,844877
8 50% Belarusian_D +25% Russian_Perm_R3 +25% Carpathian_R1 @ 3,853672
9 50% Ukrainian_R2 +25% Russian_Perm_R3 +25% Russian_Center @ 3,865177
10 50% Russian_South_West_R7 +25% Russian_Yaroslavl_R2 +25% Slovak_D @ 3,87449
11 50% Russian_Center +25% Russian_North_R8 +25% Slovak_D @ 3,876651
12 50% Russian_South_West_R7 +25% Russian_Perm_R3 +25% Ukrainian_R2 @ 3,902368
13 50% Ukrainian_R2 +25% Russian_North_R8 +25% Russian_Meshtchyora_R4 @ 3,905082
14 50% Ukrainian_R2 +25% Russian_Perm_R3 +25% Polish-Belarusian_R2 @ 3,90935
15 50% Ukrainian_R2 +25% Russian_Perm_R3 +25% Ukrainian_East_R3 @ 3,915511
16 50% Ukrainian_R2 +25% Russian_Perm_R3 +25% Russian_Pskov_R3 @ 3,920973
17 50% Russian_South_West_R7 +25% Russian_North_R8 +25% Ukrainian_R2 @ 3,92843
18 50% Russian_Center +25% Russian_South_West_R7 +25% Slovak_D @ 3,942322
19 50% Ukrainian_East_R3 +25% Russian_North_R8 +25% Slovak_D @ 3,942644
20 50% Slovak_D +25% Russian_North_R8 +25% Russian_Pskov_R3 @ 3,946909
21 50% Russian_Center +25% Russian_Center +25% Slovak_D @ 3,950045
22 50% Slovak_D +25% Russian_Vyatka_R2 +25% Balt_R2 @ 3,96728
23 50% Russian_South_West_R7 +25% Russian_North_R8 +25% Carpathian_R1 @ 3,980164
24 50% Russian_Center +25% Russian_North_R8 +25% Carpathian_R1 @ 3,989817
25 50% Ukrainian_R2 +25% Russian_Perm_R3 +25% Ukrainian_R2 @ 3,989941

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Russian_North_R8+Ukrainian_R2+Russian_Pskov_R3+Slovak_D @ 3,47046
2 Russian_North_R8+Ukrainian_R2+Belarusian_D+Slovak_D @ 3,556835
3 Russian_Perm_R3+Ukrainian_R2+Balt_R2+Slovak_D @ 3,605284
4 Russian_Perm_R3+Ukrainian_R2+Russian_Pskov_R3+Slovak_D @ 3,656672
5 Russian_North_R8+Russian_South_West_R7+Russian_South_West_R7+Slovak_D @ 3,6679
6 Russian_Perm_R3+Ukrainian_R2+Carpathian_R1+Balt_R2 @ 3,678575
7 Russian_North_R8+Ukrainian_R2+Balt_R2+Slovak_D @ 3,679908
8 Russian_Perm_R3+Carpathian_R1+Balt_R2+Russian_South_West_R7 @ 3,682972
9 Russian_North_R8+Ukrainian_R2+Ukrainian_R2+Russian_South_West_R7 @ 3,688974
10 Russian_North_R8+Russian_South_West_R7+Ukrainian_East_R3+Slovak_D @ 3,693713
11 Russian_North_R8+Belarusian_D+Russian_South_West_R7+Slovak_D @ 3,706438
12 Russian_North_R8+Balt_R2+Slovak_D+Slovak_D @ 3,712348
13 Russian_Perm_R3+Carpathian_R1+Russian_Pskov_R3+Russian_South_West_R7 @ 3,716968
14 Russian_North_R8+Carpathian_R1+Balt_R2+Slovak_D @ 3,722196
15 Russian_North_R8+Russian_Center+Ukrainian_East_R3+Slovak_D @ 3,726851
16 Russian_North_R8+Ukrainian_R2+Carpathian_R1+Russian_Pskov_R3 @ 3,739226
17 Russian_North_R8+Russian_Center+Russian_South_West_R7+Slovak_D @ 3,744049
18 Russian_Perm_R3+Belarusian_D+Ukrainian_East_R3+Slovak_D @ 3,744258
19 Russian_Perm_R3+Russian_Pskov_R3+Ukrainian_East_R3+Slovak_D @ 3,7505
20 Russian_North_R8+Russian_South_West_R7+Russian_South_R3+Slovak_D @ 3,756917
21 Russian_Perm_R3+Ukrainian_R2+Ukrainian_R2+Russian_South_West_R7 @ 3,759071
22 Russian_North_R8+Carpathian_R1+Russian_Pskov_R3+Russian_South_West_R7 @ 3,766089
23 Russian_North_R8+Ukrainian_R2+Polish-Belarusian_R2+Slovak_D @ 3,774322
24 Russian_Perm_R3+Ukrainian_R2+Belarusian_D+Slovak_D @ 3,775544
25 Russian_North_R8+Russian_Center+Ukrainian_R2+Slovak_D @ 3,777972

то ли калькулятор сейчас считает как то по другому, то ли брат вообще не унаследовал северо-русские гены доставшиеся мне от мамы? ;D Получается, что у него больше сходство, если верить калькулятору, с отцом :)

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Re: Эксперименты Srkz с аутосомами
« Ответ #764 : 15 Июнь 2019, 12:31:30 »
Для сравнения мои результаты, шесть лет спустя, спасибо ув.Srkz! Современный калькулятор,похоже точнее :)

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Belarusian_West @ 3,917103
2 Russian_Tver @ 4,435941
3 Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 4,458868
4 Russian_Bryansk @ 4,638246
5 Russian_Murom @ 4,671363
6 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,681374
7 Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 4,69951
8 Russian_Saratov @ 4,718152
9 Russian_Meshtchyora @ 4,725683
10 Russian_Don @ 4,752789
11 Polish @ 4,827754
12 Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 4,850821
13 Russian_Moscow @ 4,97376
14 Russian_Tambov @ 4,993838
15 Russian_Kursk_Oryol @ 5,088714
16 Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh @ 5,146177
17 Russian_Ivanovo @ 5,287371
18 Ukrainian_Vinnitsa_Zhitomir @ 5,50535
19 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,542296
20 Russian_Andreapol @ 5,581612
21 Belarusian_Poleshtchuk @ 5,705924
22 Russian_Uglich @ 5,856603
23 Russian_Arzamas @ 5,952745
24 Belarusian_Gomel @ 5,959597
25 Russian_Kuban @ 6,005262
26 Russian_Smolensk @ 6,29604
27 Ukrainian_Galichina @ 6,500549
28 Belarusian_Vitebsk_Mogilyov @ 6,683127
29 Moksha @ 6,710294
30 Belarusian_Minsk @ 6,715304
31 Erzya @ 7,135934
32 Russian_Tatarstan_Arsk @ 7,731953
33 Russian_Novgorod @ 8,024396
34 Polish_North_East @ 8,135052
35 Russian_Vetluga @ 8,629594
36 Russian_Pskov @ 9,343833
37 Russian_Siberia @ 9,431556
38 Russian_Vyatka @ 10,264836
39 Russian_Tobol_Kerzhak @ 10,338024
40 Russian_Ustyuzhna @ 10,765287
41 Lithuanian @ 10,853766
42 Slovak @ 10,874919
43 Russian_Solvychegodsk @ 10,901885
44 Russian_Ural_East @ 11,133413
45 Russian_HGDP @ 11,402283
46 Czech @ 11,443092
47 Russian_Ural_West @ 11,697342
48 Ukrainian_Carpaty @ 11,998949
49 Russian_Baykal @ 12,101968
50 Russian_Vologda @ 12,394043
170 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Moksha+Polish @ 3,443604
2 Polish+Russian_Meshtchyora @ 3,526415
3 Polish+Russian_Ivanovo @ 3,56241
4 Belarusian_West+Russian_Meshtchyora @ 3,701826
5 Belarusian_West+Russian_Saratov @ 3,704803
6 Belarusian_West+Moksha @ 3,716556
7 Polish+Russian_Murom @ 3,717247
8 Belarusian_West+Russian_Tver @ 3,725247
9 Polish+Russian_Tver @ 3,732967
10 Russian_Ivanovo+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,737785
11 Russian_Meshtchyora+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,743876
12 Belarusian_West+Russian_Tambov @ 3,745022
13 Erzya+Polish @ 3,75217
14 Polish+Russian_Uglich @ 3,768775
15 Polish+Russian_Saratov @ 3,779979
16 Russian_Murom+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,793038
17 Belarusian_West+Russian_Don @ 3,797065
18 Polish+Russian_Moscow @ 3,798967
19 Belarusian_West+Russian_Murom @ 3,80212
20 Russian_Tver+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,808707
21 Belarusian_West+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,826793
22 Belarusian_West+Russian_Ivanovo @ 3,834879
23 Russian_Meshtchyora+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 3,863467
24 Belarusian_West+Russian_Moscow @ 3,871078
25 Russian_Uglich+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 3,887386
26 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West @ 3,917103
27 Russian_Moscow+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,945027
28 Belarusian_West+Russian_Bryansk @ 3,948105
29 Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_Galichina @ 3,963433
30 Belarusian_West+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,968234
31 Polish+Russian_Tambov @ 3,988999
32 Russian_Meshtchyora+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,993383
33 Moksha+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,997307
34 Belarusian_West+Russian_Uglich @ 4,0074
35 Russian_Meshtchyora+Ukrainian_Vinnitsa_Zhitomir @ 4,013255
36 Moksha+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 4,034978
37 Russian_Ivanovo+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 4,035754
38 Russian_Uglich+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 4,036868
39 Polish+Russian_Arzamas @ 4,042548
40 Russian_Ivanovo+Ukrainian_Vinnitsa_Zhitomir @ 4,04706
41 Polish+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 4,065299
42 Polish+Russian_Tatarstan_Arsk @ 4,076504
43 Russian_Tver+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 4,07738
44 Russian_Saratov+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 4,079635
45 Belarusian_West+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,079953
46 Russian_Don+Russian_Smolensk @ 4,081476
47 Moksha+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,084574
48 Russian_Saratov+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 4,085865
49 Belarusian_West+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 4,088241
50 Russian_Don+Russian_Tver @ 4,099246
14535 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Polish +25% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Ural_West @ 3,118793
2 50% Belarusian_West +25% Moksha +25% Polish @ 3,151536
3 50% Polish +25% Polish +25% Russian_Ural_West @ 3,156613
4 50% Polish +25% Russian_Ural_West +25% Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 3,173788
5 50% Belarusian_West +25% Moksha +25% Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,194469
6 50% Polish +25% Russian_Smolensk +25% Russian_Ural_West @ 3,198858
7 50% Polish +25% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Vyatka_NE @ 3,206621
8 50% Polish +25% Polish +25% Russian_Vyatka_NE @ 3,208325
9 50% Polish +25% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Vyatka @ 3,217387
10 50% Polish +25% Belarusian_West +25% Moksha @ 3,230948
11 50% Belarusian_West +25% Belarusian_West +25% Moksha @ 3,23805
12 50% Polish +25% Polish +25% Russian_Vyatka @ 3,24449
13 50% Belarusian_West +25% Polish +25% Russian_Ural_West @ 3,247949
14 50% Polish +25% Moksha +25% Russian_Ivanovo @ 3,254064
15 50% Polish +25% Moksha +25% Russian_Meshtchyora @ 3,276818
16 50% Polish +25% Moksha +25% Russian_Uglich @ 3,277124
17 50% Polish +25% Belarusian_Vitebsk_Mogilyov +25% Russian_Ural_West @ 3,281316
18 50% Polish +25% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Ural_East @ 3,282197
19 50% Polish +25% Russian_Andreapol +25% Russian_Ural_West @ 3,284503
20 50% Polish +25% Belarusian_Gomel +25% Russian_Ural_West @ 3,287183
21 50% Belarusian_West +25% Moksha +25% Ukrainian_Galichina @ 3,30721
22 50% Belarusian_West +25% Moksha +25% Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 3,308222
23 50% Belarusian_West +25% Moksha +25% Ukrainian_Vinnitsa_Zhitomir @ 3,314135
24 50% Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina +25% Polish +25% Russian_Ural_West @ 3,315328
25 50% Polish +25% Russian_Smolensk +25% Russian_Vyatka_NE @ 3,320244
26 50% Polish +25% Russian_Vyatka_NE +25% Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 3,32034
27 50% Polish +25% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Siberia @ 3,320875
28 50% Polish +25% Moksha +25% Russian_Tver @ 3,321061
29 50% Polish +25% Belarusian_Poleshtchuk +25% Russian_Ural_West @ 3,321284
30 50% Belarusian_West +25% Moksha +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,321509
31 50% Belarusian_West +25% Moksha +25% Russian_Don @ 3,32755
32 50% Polish +25% Russian_Ural_West +25% Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,331933
33 50% Polish +25% Russian_Ural_West +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,333371
34 50% Polish +25% Moksha +25% Russian_Moscow @ 3,337107
35 50% Polish +25% Moksha +25% Russian_Murom @ 3,337205
36 50% Polish +25% Russian_Vyatka +25% Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,33783
37 50% Polish +25% Polish +25% Russian_Ural_East @ 3,34321
38 50% Polish +25% Belarusian_Vitebsk_Mogilyov +25% Russian_Vyatka_NE @ 3,350562
39 50% Russian_Smolensk +25% German_Volhyn +25% Moksha @ 3,350887
40 50% Belarusian_West +25% Polish +25% Russian_Vyatka @ 3,352026
41 50% Polish +25% Russian_Vyatka +25% Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 3,352613
42 50% Belarusian_West +25% Polish +25% Russian_Vyatka_NE @ 3,366173
43 50% Polish +25% Belarusian_Minsk +25% Russian_Ural_West @ 3,374026
44 50% Polish +25% Moksha +25% Russian_Saratov @ 3,375738
45 50% Belarusian_West +25% Erzya +25% Polish @ 3,376269
46 50% Belarusian_West +25% Polish +25% Russian_Ural_East @ 3,380566
47 50% Belarusian_West +25% Erzya +25% Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,382022
48 50% Polish +25% Moksha +25% Russian_Vetluga @ 3,386443
49 50% Polish +25% Moksha +25% Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,391596
50 50% Belarusian_West +25% Moksha +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,39482
1842803 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Belarusian_West+Polish+Polish+Russian_Ural_West @ 3,118793
2 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Moksha+Polish @ 3,151536
3 Polish+Polish+Polish+Russian_Ural_West @ 3,156613
4 Polish+Polish+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 3,173788
5 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Moksha+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,194469
6 Polish+Polish+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Ural_West @ 3,198858
7 Belarusian_West+Polish+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 3,204697
8 Belarusian_West+Polish+Polish+Russian_Vyatka_NE @ 3,206621
9 Polish+Polish+Polish+Russian_Vyatka_NE @ 3,208325
10 Belarusian_West+Polish+Polish+Russian_Vyatka @ 3,217387
11 Belarusian_West+Moksha+Polish+Polish @ 3,230948
12 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Moksha @ 3,23805
13 Polish+Polish+Polish+Russian_Vyatka @ 3,24449
14 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Polish+Russian_Ural_West @ 3,247949
15 Moksha+Polish+Polish+Russian_Ivanovo @ 3,254064
16 Polish+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,271054
17 Moksha+Polish+Polish+Russian_Meshtchyora @ 3,276818
18 Moksha+Polish+Polish+Russian_Uglich @ 3,277124
19 Belarusian_West+Moksha+Polish+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,278964
20 Belarusian_Vitebsk_Mogilyov+Polish+Polish+Russian_Ural_West @ 3,281316
21 Lithuanian+Polish+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Carpaty @ 3,281705
22 Belarusian_West+Polish+Polish+Russian_Ural_East @ 3,282197
23 Polish+Polish+Russian_Andreapol+Russian_Ural_West @ 3,284503
24 Belarusian_Gomel+Polish+Polish+Russian_Ural_West @ 3,287183
25 Belarusian_West+Polish+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,290033
26 Belarusian_West+Polish+Russian_Vyatka+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,305426
27 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Moksha+Ukrainian_Galichina @ 3,30721
28 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Moksha+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 3,308222
29 Belarusian_West+Lithuanian+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Carpaty @ 3,308652
30 Belarusian_West+Moksha+Polish+Russian_Tver @ 3,312677
31 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Moksha+Ukrainian_Vinnitsa_Zhitomir @ 3,314135
32 Belarusian_West+Moksha+Polish+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,315286
33 Polish+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 3,315328
34 Belarusian_West+Moksha+Polish+Russian_Meshtchyora @ 3,318628
35 Belarusian_West+Moksha+Polish+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 3,319141
36 Polish+Polish+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Vyatka_NE @ 3,320244
37 Polish+Polish+Russian_Vyatka_NE+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 3,32034
38 Belarusian_West+Polish+Polish+Russian_Siberia @ 3,320875
39 Moksha+Polish+Polish+Russian_Tver @ 3,321061
40 Belarusian_Poleshtchuk+Polish+Polish+Russian_Ural_West @ 3,321284
41 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Moksha+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,321509
42 Belarusian_West+Moksha+Polish+Russian_Ivanovo @ 3,324393
43 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Moksha+Russian_Don @ 3,32755
44 Belarusian_West+Moksha+Polish+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,329504
45 Belarusian_West+Moksha+Polish+Russian_Don @ 3,329656
46 Belarusian_West+Lithuanian+Moksha+Ukrainian_Carpaty @ 3,33062
47 Polish+Polish+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,331933
48 Polish+Polish+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,333371
49 Moksha+Polish+Polish+Russian_Moscow @ 3,337107
50 Moksha+Polish+Polish+Russian_Murom @ 3,337205
51 Polish+Polish+Russian_Vyatka+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,33783
52 Belarusian_West+Moksha+Polish+Russian_Uglich @ 3,34099
53 Polish+Polish+Polish+Russian_Ural_East @ 3,34321
54 Belarusian_West+Moksha+Polish+Russian_Saratov @ 3,348689
55 Belarusian_Vitebsk_Mogilyov+Polish+Polish+Russian_Vyatka_NE @ 3,350562
56 German_Volhyn+Moksha+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Smolensk @ 3,350887
57 Belarusian_West+Moksha+Polish+Russian_Moscow @ 3,351617
58 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Polish+Russian_Vyatka @ 3,352026
59 Polish+Polish+Russian_Vyatka+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 3,352613
60 Belarusian_Poleshtchuk+Belarusian_West+Polish+Russian_Ural_West @ 3,353565
61 Belarusian_West+Moksha+Polish+Russian_Murom @ 3,354886
62 Belarusian_West+Moksha+Polish+Russian_Tambov @ 3,357178
63 Belarusian_West+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Vetluga+Ukrainian_Carpaty @ 3,357418
64 Belarusian_West+Polish+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,365665
65 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Polish+Russian_Vyatka_NE @ 3,366173
66 Belarusian_West+Moksha+Polish+Russian_Bryansk @ 3,367182
67 Polish+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,372291
68 Belarusian_Vitebsk_Mogilyov+Polish+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,373564
69 Belarusian_Minsk+Polish+Polish+Russian_Ural_West @ 3,374026
70 Moksha+Polish+Polish+Russian_Saratov @ 3,375738
71 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Erzya+Polish @ 3,376269
72 Belarusian_West+Polish+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Vinnitsa_Zhitomir @ 3,377961
73 Polish+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Vinnitsa_Zhitomir @ 3,378099
74 Latvian+Polish+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Carpaty @ 3,37833
75 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Polish+Russian_Ural_East @ 3,380566
76 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Erzya+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,382022
77 Belarusian_West+Polish+Russian_Vyatka_NE+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 3,38352
78 Moksha+Polish+Polish+Russian_Vetluga @ 3,386443
79 Moksha+Polish+Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,387278
80 Belarusian_West+Moksha+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,389857
81 Belarusian_West+Polish+Russian_Vyatka+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 3,391071
82 Moksha+Polish+Polish+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,391596
83 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,39482
84 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 3,395124
85 Belarusian_West+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,395493
86 Polish+Polish+Polish+Russian_Siberia @ 3,395955
87 Belarusian_Poleshtchuk+Polish+Polish+Russian_Vyatka_NE @ 3,396518
88 Polish+Polish+Russian_Ural_East+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 3,396854
89 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Moksha+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,396904
90 Belarusian_West+Polish+Russian_Ural_East+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 3,401304
91 Belarusian_West+Moksha+Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_Galichina @ 3,40138
92 Moksha+Polish+Polish+Russian_Andreapol @ 3,403319
93 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Polish+Russian_Siberia @ 3,403462
94 Moksha+Polish+Russian_Ivanovo+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,403882
95 Polish+Polish+Russian_Tver+Russian_Ural_West @ 3,405361
96 Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Carpaty @ 3,406014
97 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,40683
98 Belarusian_West+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 3,409257
99 Belarusian_West+Polish+Russian_Siberia+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,409702
100 Lithuanian+Polish+Russian_Vyatka+Ukrainian_Carpaty @ 3,409864

 

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