R1b U152+

[Mikl1984]

Наверное стоит здесь продолжить историю древнего образца из королевской династии Венгрии https://forum.molgen.org/index.php/topic,16274.msg626620.html#msg626620
Ко мне он все-таки не сильно относится

История продолжилась, и вчера 17.01 yfull в очередной раз изменил набор снипов для уклада https://www.yfull.com/live/tree/R-FTE9707/
Начнём их протоколировать
F23943  FTE9707  FTG27316  FTG28968  FGC93869  FT59368 Y416458(H)
У китов он здесь https://www.theytree.com/tree/R-FTE11313
Y447819/FTE11313, FTC29465, FTC30931

Ни одного совпадающего
Ждем продолжения

[Mikl1984]

Мой самый близкий древний сицилиец
https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-PF6582/ancient
https://www.theytree.com/sample/664eede393acba90383319c2b8684ab8.html
Из работы
Published: 23 April 2025
Punic people were genetically diverse with almost no Levantine ancestors
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-025-08913-3
Немного разные, но близкие гаплы дают TYT и ftdna https://www.theytree.com/tree/R-PF6582

[Mikl1984]

Близится обновление дерева, уже выделили мой субклад, а в ЛК помолодели на 100 лет промежуточные ветки

Код: [Выделить]

Шаг Гаплогруппа Археологический период ? TMRCA ? Времени от предка (лет) ? Ветви потомков ?
1 R-FTA13144 Antiquity "276 CE (574 BCE876 CE)" 400 ——
2 R-FTA13294 Antiquity "174 BCE (874 BCE526 CE)" 900 2
3 R-PF6577 Bronze Age / Iron Age "1074 BCE (1574 BCE674 BCE)" <100 5
4 R-PF6582 Bronze Age / Iron Age "1074 BCE (1674 BCE574 BCE)" 1100 3

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I33774.TW U152>L2>Z49>Z142>FGC22963>BY73369
I34371.TW U152>L2>Z49>Z142>FGC22963>BY73369
I31854.AG.TW U152>L2>Z49>Z142>FGC22963>FGC22968>BY90981>BY72920
I25570.AG U152>L2>Z49>Z142>FGC22963>FGC22968>BY90981>Y24532>Y24608
I35952.TW U152>L2>Z49>Z142>FGC22963>FGC22968>FGC22942
I44291.TW U152>L2>Z49>Z142>FGC22963>FGC22968>FGC22942>FGC22952>FGC22956>FGC57746>S9285>S22518
I8209.AG.TW U152>L2>Z49>Z142>FT32075>CTS2819>Y32775
I34963.TW U152>L2>Z49>Z142>Z12222>FGC12378
I43830.TW U152>L2>Z49>Z142>Z12222>FGC12378>FGC47869>BY33622>BY33595>BY61254>BY159681
I33944.TW U152>L2>Z49>Z142>Z12222>FT38430>CTS9490>CTS7970>CTS8125
I44515.TW U152>L2>Z49>Z142>Z51>L562>Z57>FGC69683>Z147>Z148>Z149>Z52>BY33643>CTS11232
I38292.TW U152>L2>Z49>Z142>Z51>L562>Z57>FGC69683>Z147>Z148>Z149>Z52>BY33643>Y54052>BY92696
I31969.TW U152>L2>Z49>Z142>Z51>L562>Z57>FGC69683>Z147>Z148>Z149>Z52>CTS278
I35580.TW U152>L2>Z49>Z142>Z51>L562>Z57>FGC69683>Z147>Z148>Z149>Z52>CTS278>CTS9462

[MihaiSZ]

Образцы выше все из ветки R-Z142. Время и место пока неизвестно но есть координаты G25:
Масштабированные координаты G25 для древних образцов Z142

Akbari2026:I33774.TW,0.112685,0.137096,0.010936,-0.015827,0.027697,-0.010319,0.003525,-0.005769,0.000205,0.015126,-0.002761,3e-04,-0.004162,0.002202,-0.009908,-0.001458,0.008736,-0.00152,0.010433,0.004502,-0.006613,0.000371,0.001602,-0.002892,0

Akbari2026:I34371.TW,0.117238,0.137096,0.009428,-0.009367,0.022466,-0.008646,0.003525,-0.005538,0.005113,0.017495,-0.00065,-0.006594,-0.002676,-0.000413,-0.007736,0.005038,0.021774,-0.001774,0.004148,0.005378,0.001497,-0.00371,0.007641,0.009037,0.003952

Akbari2026:I31854.AG.TW,0.105855,0.148267,0.03017,-0.005814,0.040623,0.002789,-0.00517,0.003461,0.037223,0.023144,-0.001137,0.004496,-0.005054,-0.007156,0.0095,-0.009149,-0.012386,-0.002154,0.00176,-0.008004,0.000998,-0.001607,0.000863,-0.003856,0.001078

Akbari2026:I25570.AG,0.124067,0.151314,0.028661,-0.018411,0.056934,-0.013666,-0.003055,0.003461,0.022498,0.053942,0.000162,0.01124,-0.019921,-0.014175,-0.004479,-0.00358,0.003651,-0.002407,0.006159,0.001,-0.00025,0.008037,-0.007518,-0.004217,-0.002395

Akbari2026:I35952.TW,0.133173,0.138112,0.055437,0.04522,0.042469,0.013666,0.001645,0.00923,0.008385,0.004556,-0.005034,0.003447,0.001635,-0.000138,0.013572,0.000398,-0.018906,0,0.001257,0.003502,0.009608,0.003091,0,-0.006386,0.002395

Akbari2026:I44291.TW,0.117238,0.147252,0.026398,-0.012274,0.032929,-0.001952,0.003055,0.003692,0.012271,0.026789,-0.004222,0.009591,-0.017245,0.000138,-0.000543,-0.014983,-0.008996,0.00076,0.004777,-0.011756,0.000499,0.002349,-0.000863,-0.002048,-0.000239

Akbari2026:I8209.AG.TW,0.122929,0.146236,0.054682,0.01292,0.046162,0.009203,-0.00282,0.005307,0.024543,0.03426,-0.009094,0.013188,-0.01665,-0.022157,0.010315,0.002784,0.00678,-0.000253,0.003142,-0.001876,-0.003993,0.00779,0.001972,-0.012291,0.004071

Akbari2026:I34963.TW,0.119514,0.141159,0.0445,0.014212,0.051086,0.004741,-0.00846,-0.002308,0.020043,0.025878,-0.003573,0.008243,-0.019029,-0.00812,0.006786,0.008486,-0.004563,0.00076,0.005531,-0.001501,0.006863,0.005812,-0.00493,-0.003012,-0.003592

Akbari2026:I43830.TW,0.129758,0.135065,0.057322,0.036176,0.036007,0.014502,0.005405,0.007846,0.009204,0.010023,-0.002273,0.004496,-0.00669,-0.003991,0.017779,-0.007027,-0.021774,0.002407,0.003771,0.000625,0.006863,0.003957,0.000986,0.010965,-0.000359

Akbari2026:I33944.TW,0.129758,0.151314,0.049403,0.008721,0.046778,0.003626,-0.00094,0.003923,0.016362,0.035901,-0.005359,0.010491,-0.017988,-0.015689,0.010993,0.015115,0.019427,0.007601,0.000126,0.006378,0.00287,-0.004699,-0.006286,-0.002892,-0.001078

Akbari2026:I44515.TW,0.122929,0.14319,0.05242,0.021964,0.048317,0.001673,0.002585,0.008307,0.02127,0.030069,-0.00682,0.005095,-0.02334,-0.012799,0.014386,-0.00305,-0.017863,0.00152,0.005656,-0.008004,0.004243,0.00136,-0.010476,-0.010001,0.001916

Akbari2026:I38292.TW,0.125205,0.128972,0.050534,0.023256,0.029852,0.009203,0.002115,0.008307,0.00225,0.002369,-0.015427,-0.005695,-0.001041,-0.001239,0.001221,-0.003978,0.011474,0.00266,0.009804,0.001876,-0.001872,0.00371,-0.007395,-0.011688,-0.000599

Akbari2026:I31969.TW,0.110408,0.142174,0.040729,-0.007752,0.035391,0.000279,-0.00329,0.006923,0.026179,0.033167,0.002111,0.01094,-0.017988,-0.005505,0.002172,0.005967,0.004172,0.006081,0.001257,0.003252,0.005241,0.004575,-0.006902,0.00241,0.002754

Akbari2026:I35580.TW,0.127482,0.147252,0.027907,-0.008398,0.032006,-0.000279,0.00235,0.000462,0.008181,0.022597,0.00341,0.003597,-0.017393,-0.008395,-0.005836,0.005038,0.001043,0.000507,0.008925,-0.008879,-0.003619,-0.003339,-0.003328,-0.002048,-0.007065

[Mikl1984]

Из моей R-BY1823 список существенно меньше
Опубликовал в своей ветке https://forum.molgen.org/index.php/topic,16274.msg629026.html#msg629026
Ждем на theytree, они каждый день выкидывают на дерево образцы
https://www.theytree.com/portal/index/samples?keyword=Aligned%20Ancient%20DNA%20Sequencing%20Data%20from%2010,016%20Individuals

[MihaiSZ]

Нашел на генархивист:

I33774.TW U152>L2>Z49>Z142>FGC22963>BY73369 Hungary_Early_Medieval_Avar_Period_Late_(Central_Med_Profile)_(n=15)

I34371.TW U152>L2>Z49>Z142>FGC22963>BY73369 Croatia_Early_Medieval_Avar_Period_Late_Nustar_(Central_Med_Profile)_(n=5)

I31854.AG.TW U152>L2>Z49>Z142>FGC22963>FGC22968>BY90981>BY72920 Belgium_Late_Medieval-Early_Modern_St._Rombout's_(Iberian_Profile)_(n=4)

I25570.AG U152>L2>Z49>Z142>FGC22963>FGC22968>BY90981>Y24532>Y24608  Italy_Tuscany_IA_Etruscan_Vetulonia_(n=5)

I35952.TW U152>L2>Z49>Z142>FGC22963>FGC22968>FGC22942 Hungary_IA_La_Tene_(Northwest_Euro_Profile)_(n=3)

I44291.TW U152>L2>Z49>Z142>FGC22963>FGC22968>FGC22942>FGC22952>FGC22956>FGC57746>S9285>S22518 Croatia_Late_Antiquity_Sisak_(Paleo-Balkan_Profile)_(n=3)

I8209.AG.TW U152>L2>Z49>Z142>FT32075>CTS2819>Y32775

I34963.TW U152>L2>Z49>Z142>Z12222>FGC12378 Iberia_Catalonia_Classical_Empuries_(low_res)_(n=2)

I43830.TW U152>L2>Z49>Z142>Z12222>FGC12378>FGC47869>BY33622>BY33595>BY61254>BY159681 Sweden_Early-High_Medieval_Viking_Age_Skara_(Mixed_Northern_Euro_Profile)_(n=3)

I33944.TW U152>L2>Z49>Z142>Z12222>FT38430>CTS9490>CTS7970>CTS8125 France_IA1_Hallstatt_Grand_Est_(low_res)_(n=4)

I44515.TW U152>L2>Z49>Z142>Z51>L562>Z57>FGC69683>Z147>Z148>Z149>Z52>BY33643>CTS11232 France_IA2_La_Tene_Occitanie_(South_Euro_Profile)_(low_res)_(n=10)

I38292.TW U152>L2>Z49>Z142>Z51>L562>Z57>FGC69683>Z147>Z148>Z149>Z52>BY33643>Y54052>BY92696 Hungary_High_Medieval_Arpadian_Period_Early_(Carpathian_Basin_Profile)_(n=4)

I31969.TW U152>L2>Z49>Z142>Z51>L562>Z57>FGC69683>Z147>Z148>Z149>Z52>CTS278 Iberia_Catalonia_High_Medieval_(n=3)

I35580.TW U152>L2>Z49>Z142>Z51>L562>Z57>FGC69683>Z147>Z148>Z149>Z52>CTS278>CTS9462 Croatia_MBA_(n=5)

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Нашел на генархивист:

I44515.TW U152>L2>Z49>Z142>Z51>L562>Z57>FGC69683>Z147>Z148>Z149>Z52>BY33643>CTS11232 France_IA2_La_Tene_Occitanie_(South_Euro_Profile)_(low_res)_(n=10)

I38292.TW U152>L2>Z49>Z142>Z51>L562>Z57>FGC69683>Z147>Z148>Z149>Z52>BY33643>Y54052>BY92696 Hungary_High_Medieval_Arpadian_Period_Early_(Carpathian_Basin_Profile)_(n=4)

I31969.TW U152>L2>Z49>Z142>Z51>L562>Z57>FGC69683>Z147>Z148>Z149>Z52>CTS278 Iberia_Catalonia_High_Medieval_(n=3)

I35580.TW U152>L2>Z49>Z142>Z51>L562>Z57>FGC69683>Z147>Z148>Z149>Z52>CTS278>CTS9462 Croatia_MBA_(n=5)

Все 4 образца, которые чуть выше твоего основного отсюда https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z53/. В общем мимо. R-CTS6554Z147 общий предок 3300 лет назад. далеко конечно(

[Mikl1984]

Первый из Z142 пошёл https://www.theytree.com/tree/R-Z142

[Mikl1984]

L2 везет - уже пару образцов сразу в t2t сделали https://www.theytree.com/tree/R-Y3961

[Mikl1984]

Первый из моего ближайшего окружения https://www.theytree.com/sample/a63555f5d95556021c72e1e466398dae.html

[Mikl1984]

Пара десятков древних из 10К уже на дереве https://www.theytree.com/tree/R-U152