Гаплогруппа O3 - основная тема

[Srkz]

Практически все тоже самое, только плюс манчжурские образцы, Ляонин и рядом. Внутренней Монголии и запада Китая нет совсем. Есть образец из Шаньси, это уже ближе к Ордосу )

Ну вот. Часть носителей ушла в Японию полторы-две с лишним тысячи лет назад и там умножилась, а часть осталась на материке. Есть версия, что язык государства Когурё был родственен японскому, но от него очень мало слов известно.

[Farroukh]

Вот именно насчет на запад, нужны доказательства.

Адыгский образец и есть доказательство миграции на запад. Народы Синьцзяна и Центральной Азии (пока) крайне скудно протестированы, думаю, обнаружить O-K13 - вопрос времени (и денег, разумеется).

[Shuzam87]

Юзер  sahaliyan на международных форумах о жагалбайлы (О3) пишет:

http://www.ranhaer.com/thread-32334-1-2.html

http://www.anthropedia.science/topic/10013709/1/

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?10286-Recent-developments-in-aDNA-and-Interpretation-in-China/page2

Kazakh Zhagalbaily
https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ction=yresults
Issengaliyev 277578
K2150 Zagalbaily
247938 Kenbaev
https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ction=yresults
247940 Aybek
Based on Y-str,these samples are cts335

Good news! We finally got the first ancient DNA under O-CTS10535. An ancient DNA sample, C4781, dated around 4500 years ago, from the Zongri site located in Bagou Township, Tongde County, Hainan Tibetan Autonomous Prefecture, Qinghai, belonged to the Zongri/Majiayao culture was tested to have the Ydna haplogroup of O-MF15790, the upper stream of O-MF30881. I also ran the genetic distance of this individual. It is the closest to modern-day Tibetans in Nagqu. This provides good evidence for the origin of O-MF15790, likely the Northwest region in China (Qinghai under Zongri/Majiayao Culture), which is also strongly linked to Yangshao culture). The article should be out soon.

Distance to:   Zongri4.5k_o1:C4781
0.02685500   Tibetan_Nagqu
0.02810131   Tibetan_Chamdo:T282
0.02853356   Tibetan_Shigatse:T78
0.02864790   Tibetan_Shigatse
0.03012153   Tibetan_Shigatse:T41

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majiayao_culture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yangshao_culture

https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB56143
https://www.yfull.com/tree/O-MF30881/
https://www.theytree.com/?snp=MF15790
https://www.theytree.com/sample/b71cd212df7612b68eecb28d7505feec.html

[Shuzam87]

Update, the article is finally out.

Human genetic history on the Tibetan Plateau in the past 5100 years

https://doi.org/10.1126/sciadv.add5582

Abstract

Using genome-wide data of 89 ancient individuals dated to 5100 to 100 years before the present (B.P.) from 29 sites across the Tibetan Plateau, we found plateau-specific ancestry across plateau populations, with substantial genetic structure indicating high differentiation before 2500 B.P. Northeastern plateau populations rapidly showed admixture associated with millet farmers by 4700 B.P. in the Gonghe Basin. High genetic similarity on the southern and southwestern plateau showed population expansion along the Yarlung Tsangpo River since 3400 years ago. Central and southeastern plateau populations revealed extensive genetic admixture within the plateau historically, with substantial ancestry related to that found in southern and southwestern plateau populations. Over the past ~700 years, substantial gene flow from lowland East Asia further shaped the genetic landscape of present-day plateau populations. The high-altitude adaptive EPAS1 allele was found in plateau populations as early as in a 5100-year-old individual and showed a sharp increase over the past 2800 years.

[Джагалбайлы]

Shuzam87,

do you have any version about the origin of the Kazakh zhagalbayly?

[Shuzam87]

Shuzam87,

do you have any version about the origin of the Kazakh zhagalbayly?

I do have some speculations for now. Some were Xiongnu or the Donghu people, as they matched the ancient populations during the Warring States period. It could also be ancient Qiang people traveling westward. These are just my speculations, so take them with a grain of salt.

[Leilamrf]

Приветствую всех, кто читает это сообщение!

Скажите, а по гаплогруппе O существует ли древо снипов, похожее на то, которое Георг Дункел сделал по гаплогруппе N-M231?
Или любая другая схема, наглядно показывающая ареал вероятного происхождения той или иной подветви?

[Leilamrf]

Приветствую всех, кто читает это сообщение!
Скажите, а по гаплогруппе O существует ли древо снипов, похожее на то, которое Георг Дункел сделал по гаплогруппе N-M231?
Или любая другая схема, наглядно показывающая ареал вероятного происхождения той или иной подветви?

Здравствуйте, я читаю это сообщение!  Да, домовой существует.

Сказочный сайт! Очень информативный! Большое спасибо!

[Джагалбайлы]

https://www.theytree.com/tree/O-FT234908

https://www.theytree.com/tree/O-MF61473

https://www.theytree.com/usersample/8859c73b9b384c60aa70f02c5309b72a.html

С Новым годом уважаемые форумчане!

Указан как ойрат

[Shuzam87]

Yes! He is an Oirat Mongol from Nilika County, Ili Kazakh Autonomous Prefecture, Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region who shares a common ancestor with you from 1050 years ago.

[Джагалбайлы]

Добрый день, уважаемые форумчане!

На фэмили два новых результата жагалбайлы О-М175

[Farroukh]

Что говорят гаплотипы о крайнем предке?

[Джагалбайлы]

Что говорят гаплотипы о крайнем предке?

Добрый день, уважаемый Farroukh!

В общем нас там уже 10 человек по Y-12. Из 10-ти: по 111 - двое; по 67 - трое; по 37 - четверо и по 25 - шестеро.

Based on a Genetic Distance of 9 at the Y-111 test level, Джагалбайлы and Mr. X are estimated to share a common paternal line ancestor who was, with a 95% probability, born between 950 and 1650 CE. The most likely year is rounded to 1350 CE. This date is an estimate based on genetic information only.

Based on a Genetic Distance of 5 at the Y-67 test level, Джагалбайлы and X are estimated to share a common paternal line ancestor who was, with a 95% probability, born between 900 and 1750 CE. The most likely year is rounded to 1400 CE. This date is an estimate based on genetic information only.

Based on a Genetic Distance of 3 at the Y-37 test level, Джагалбайлы and Mr. X are estimated to share a common paternal line ancestor who was, with a 95% probability, born between 1000 and 1800 CE. The most likely year is rounded to 1500 CE. This date is an estimate based on genetic information only.

Based on a Genetic Distance of 0 at the Y-25 test level, Джагалбайлы and Mr. X are estimated to share a common paternal line ancestor who was, with a 95% probability, born between 1400 and 1950 CE. The most likely year is rounded to 1750 CE. This date is an estimate based on genetic information only.

Based on a Genetic Distance of 0 at the Y-12 test level, Джагалбайлы and Mr.X are estimated to share a common paternal line ancestor who was, with a 95% probability, born between 950 and 1950 CE. The most likely year is rounded to 1600 CE. This date is an estimate based on genetic information only.

По Y-12 здесь 1600 год, а по Y-25 1750 год. На первый взгляд наоборот должно же быть?

[Farroukh]

Для оценки генеалогически значимого возраста крайнего предка можно сравнивать только Y67 и выше. При меньшем числе маркёров аеличина погрешности будет соизмерима с самим возрастом (+/-500 лет и более).