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Re: Гунны/Хунны-N1
« Ответ #60 : 31 Март 2011, 12:55:00 »
Нет полных совпадений с гаплотипами древних хуннов из Эгийн Гол:

Погребение 25А: 3 совпадения из 4 локусов (3/4).

Погребение 81: 3/4.

Погребение 84.1 (гаплотип близок к якутскому модальному гаплотипу): 2/5.

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Re: Гунны/Хунны-N1
« Ответ #61 : 17 Июль 2011, 14:23:13 »
He is confirmed as M178+,19 Y-STR
DYS19 DYS389I DYS389b DYS390 DYS391 DYS392 DYS393 DYS437 DYS438 DYS439 DYS448 DYS456 DYS458 DYS635 H4 DYS385a DYS385b DYS426 DYS388

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Re: Гунны/Хунны-N1
« Ответ #62 : 17 Июль 2011, 15:41:04 »
He is confirmed as M178+,19 Y-STR
DYS19 DYS389I DYS389b DYS390 DYS391 DYS392 DYS393 DYS437 DYS438 DYS439 DYS448 DYS456 DYS458 DYS635 H4 DYS385a DYS385b DYS426 DYS388

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Tuvinian from Pakendorf et al. (2006):
14 14 16 23 11 14 13 X X X X X X X X 11 11 X X

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Re: Гунны/Хунны-N1
« Ответ #63 : 17 Июль 2011, 16:22:44 »
He seems belong to a small branch,far away from all major branches,but of course the study on east eurasian N1c1 is still too little,maybe in future,we can find close matches for him

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Re: Гунны/Хунны-N1
« Ответ #64 : 17 Июль 2011, 17:31:44 »
maybe in future,we can find close matches for him

unless they all got extinct :(

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Re: Гунны/Хунны-N1
« Ответ #65 : 15 Сентябрь 2011, 10:46:49 »
Возможно ли, что 0,1% населения Китая являются потомками одного человека? Вряд ли. За 2000 лет в Китае было слишком много социальных катаклизмов, чтобы точно выводить это. Если бы это была какая-нибудь Исландия или Япония, то всё логично.
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He seems belong to a small branch,far away from all major branches,but of course the study on east eurasian N1c1 is still too little,maybe in future,we can find close matches for him
Если это "small branch" то как-то не вяжется с тем, что он потомок хунну - в конце концов, подобные гаплотипы должны встречаться у населения Монголии.

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Re: Гунны/Хунны-N1
« Ответ #66 : 17 Сентябрь 2011, 11:07:03 »
Возможно ли, что 0,1% населения Китая являются потомками одного человека? Вряд ли. За 2000 лет в Китае было слишком много социальных катаклизмов, чтобы точно выводить это. Если бы это была какая-нибудь Исландия или Япония, то всё логично.
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He seems belong to a small branch,far away from all major branches,but of course the study on east eurasian N1c1 is still too little,maybe in future,we can find close matches for him
Если это "small branch" то как-то не вяжется с тем, что он потомок хунну - в конце концов, подобные гаплотипы должны встречаться у населения Монголии.
This is possible,for example,before the Qing dynasty,the members of Aisin Gioro family are less than 100 males,and today their are 150000-200000 males belong to this clan,2000 times larger than 300 years ago,it will be very easy to know the Y-DNA of Aisin Gioros
And we have another example,the descendants of Confucius,their family history is well recorded,because every dynasties gave the title the Duke of Yansheng to the main line of descent of Confucius,those dukes have right to ruled confucius' hometown.Other descendants of Confucius also enjoy special rights,for example they didn't need to pay taxes,he had 3 million descendants,more than 0.5% of Chinese population

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Re: Гунны/Хунны-N1
« Ответ #67 : 17 Сентябрь 2011, 12:10:19 »
This is possible,for example,before the Qing dynasty,the members of Aisin Gioro family are less than 100 males,and today their are 150000-200000 males belong to this clan,2000 times larger than 300 years ago,it will be very easy to know the Y-DNA of Aisin Gioros
Shi :) But do not compare Manchu dynasty Qing (circa 400 years, not too late) and 2000-years-old Hun-nu. As far as I know from Chinese history, Manchurians really cared about their clans: no Manchu could become eunuch, for example. And they had a lot of concubines - even before conquering of China in 1644. So, that is possible - but I can not say simular about 2000-years old Hun-nu. Do not forget about Three Kingdoms: a lot of people died and was enslaved after the invasions from North. Social structure was rebuilt with new people.
And we have another example,the descendants of Confucius,their family history is well recorded,because every dynasties gave the title the Duke of Yansheng to the main line of descent of Confucius,those dukes have right to ruled confucius' hometown.Other descendants of Confucius also enjoy special rights,for example they didn't need to pay taxes,he had 3 million descendants,more than 0.5% of Chinese population
Confucius was a great Chinese philosopher, and his 学 was adopted as an official Chinese ideology. So, it is quite realistic.
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Re: Гунны/Хунны-N1
« Ответ #68 : 17 Сентябрь 2011, 21:02:13 »
Current,there is a Hakka(a southeren Chinese branch) DNA project run by Huizegene,there are some N1c1 among them,I personally know one branch of  Liu and one branch of Li belong to N1c1,and even star cluster found,very interesting
Hope one day the result of this project will published ;)

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Re: Гунны/Хунны-N1
« Ответ #69 : 17 Сентябрь 2011, 21:07:14 »
Current,there is a Hakka(a southeren Chinese branch) DNA project run by Huizegene,there are some N1c1 among them,I personally know one branch of  Liu and one branch of Li belong to N1c1,and even star cluster found,very interesting
Hope one day the result of this project will published ;)
Sounds unbelievable.  :D

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Re: Гунны/Хунны-N1
« Ответ #70 : 17 Сентябрь 2011, 21:13:00 »
Current,there is a Hakka(a southeren Chinese branch) DNA project run by Huizegene,there are some N1c1 among them,I personally know one branch of  Liu and one branch of Li belong to N1c1,and even star cluster found,very interesting
Hope one day the result of this project will published ;)
Do not forget about homeland of the whole N :)
But, of course, they can be truly descendants of Hun-nu nomads.
About Hakka... AFAIK, it's southern China. So far from Mongolian steppes... is it possible? More likely Hun-nu descent will be find on the North.

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Re: Гунны/Хунны-N1
« Ответ #71 : 17 Сентябрь 2011, 21:32:06 »
Current,there is a Hakka(a southeren Chinese branch) DNA project run by Huizegene,there are some N1c1 among them,I personally know one branch of  Liu and one branch of Li belong to N1c1,and even star cluster found,very interesting
Hope one day the result of this project will published ;)
Do not forget about homeland of the whole N :)
But, of course, they can be truly descendants of Hun-nu nomads.
About Hakka... AFAIK, it's southern China. So far from Mongolian steppes... is it possible? More likely Hun-nu descent will be find on the North.
This Jin Midi descendant's homeland is Fujian,but he is N1c1,a haplogroup origined in Mongolia or Siberia,so his family records they came from Mongolia is true,even 2000 years passed,but his Y still existed in many descendats
I don't know the Liu and Li N1c1 carriers descendants of Xiongnu or not,since their family tree is unclear,but it's not a strange thing,a Miao from Guizhou also  M178,and Cai et al 2001 found three M178 on Hmong-Daw of Laos,from Mongolia to Laos?Anyway,very cool history
The Li N1c1 matches,in Fujian,Guizhou,Sichuan,Japan,northeast China,inner Mongolia and Mongolia


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Re: Гунны/Хунны-N1
« Ответ #72 : 18 Сентябрь 2011, 11:16:18 »
Thank you, sahaliyan!

So N1c1(L178):

one descendant of Jin Midi's (is he tested in FTDNA?)
someone from Miao people, Guizhou (or it's his last name)  (is he tested in FTDNA?)
someone from the Li family (surname) of unknown origin (Is he tested in FTDNA? Was anyone of this surname tested too?)
someone from the Liu  family (surname) of unknown origin  (Is he tested in FTDNA? Was anyone of this surname tested too?)
three from Hmong people, Laos (Cai et al 2001)

Hakka(a southeren Chinese branch) DNA project run by Huizegene is it on FTDNA?

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Re: Гунны/Хунны-N1
« Ответ #73 : 18 Сентябрь 2011, 12:27:31 »
Thank you, sahaliyan!

So N1c1(L178):

one descendant of Jin Midi's (is he tested in FTDNA?)
someone from Miao people, Guizhou (or it's his last name)  (is he tested in FTDNA?)
someone from the Li family (surname) of unknown origin (Is he tested in FTDNA? Was anyone of this surname tested too?)
someone from the Liu  family (surname) of unknown origin  (Is he tested in FTDNA? Was anyone of this surname tested too?)
three from Hmong people, Laos (Cai et al 2001)

Hakka(a southeren Chinese branch) DNA project run by Huizegene is it on FTDNA?
The Huizegene is a Chinese company http://www.huizegene.com/,they tested 20 Y-STR for people
Accord to the data supply by the Huizegene,for example the Hakka Li from Guangdong tested as M178,and he had closest matches from another Hakka Li from Ninghua,Fujian,that means these two Lis are of same origin.He had another match from Xuzhou,Jiangsu with a person's surname Jin
The Hakka Liu is also tested by Huizegene
The Guizhou Miao's surname is Yang
But people should know,both Li and Liu are common Chinese surnames,and accord to other personal results,we know their are O,C,Q and other haplogroups among them


 

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