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Re: Проект Magnus Ducatus Lituaniae
« Ответ #1245 : 22 Февраль 2017, 19:53:44 »
Финн + Исландец + Латыш + Поляк

Кажется в K16 не включили Russian_North_West... как в K23b...

А вы с Северо-Западных областей? По результатам больше на Северо-Восток походит.

#   Population   Percent
1   NorthEastEuropean   32.72
2   Steppe   23.16
3   Neolithic   20.12
4   Caucasian   19.64
5   Siberian   1.76
6   Indian   1.35


Finished reading population data. 516 populations found.
16 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Belarusian @ 2.955407
2 Belarusian @ 3.828174
3 Pole @ 4.093198
4 Cossack @ 4.285207
5 Russian @ 4.579752
6 Russian @ 4.609507
7 Ukrainians_north @ 4.904127
8 Ukrainians_east @ 5.138463
9 Russian @ 5.529107
10 Pole @ 5.595065
11 Ukrainian @ 5.754031
12 Russian @ 5.788686
13 Russians-West @ 5.909261
14 Belarusian_East @ 5.930539
15 Russian_cossack @ 6.119915
16 Pole @ 6.131894
17 Pole @ 6.137161
18 Belarusian @ 6.317087
19 Finn @ 6.363817
20 Lithuanian @ 6.430908

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Belarusian +50% Belarusian @ 2.955407


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Pole +25% Russians-West +25% Scottish @ 2.557538


Using 4 populations approximation:
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1 Latvian_Cesis + Pole + Pole + Scottish @ 2.376647
2 Latvian_Cesis + Pole + Russian + Scottish @ 2.474296
3 Belarusian + Russians-West + Russians-West + Scottish @ 2.499511
4 Belarusian + Latvian_Cesis + Pole + Scottish @ 2.504503
5 Belarusian + Erzya_Moksha + Russians-West + Scottish @ 2.513361
6 Latvian_Cesis + Pole + Russian + Scottish @ 2.526120
7 Pole + Russians-West + Russians-West + Scottish @ 2.531162
8 Pole + Russian + Russians-West + Scottish @ 2.555148
9 Pole + Pole + Russians-West + Scottish @ 2.557538
10 Belarusian + Russian + Russians-West + Scottish @ 2.565658

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Re: Проект Magnus Ducatus Lituaniae
« Ответ #1246 : 22 Февраль 2017, 23:42:27 »
Финн + Исландец + Латыш + Поляк

Кажется в K16 не включили Russian_North_West... как в K23b...

А вы с Северо-Западных областей? По результатам больше на Северо-Восток походит.

По K23b калькулятору меня отнесли как раз к Северо-Западным Русским -

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Russian-North-West @ 4.557448
2 Russian-Upper-Volga @ 4.672831
3 Russian-West @ 4.845314
4 Russian_Meshtchyora @ 5.083710
5 Russian_North @ 5.610406
6 Sorb @ 6.314141
7 Belarusian-East @ 6.375125
8 Erzya @ 6.493247
9 Kashub @ 6.511312
10 Russian_South @ 6.573071
11 Finnish_FIN @ 6.833081
12 Belarusian_West @ 7.068030
13 Finnish-East @ 7.468376
14 Russian-North @ 7.481290
15 Ukrainian_Center @ 7.573701
16 Finn_East @ 7.580373
17 Finn_West @ 7.580749
18 Ukrainian_East @ 7.677742
19 Russian_Vologda @ 8.145389
20 Don_cossack @ 8.169399

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Finn_East +50% Sorb @ 3.090706


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Belarusian_Russian +25% Finn_East +25% Norwegian_West @ 2.768430


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Balt + Belarusian_Russian + Dane + Finn_East @ 2.662858
2 Balt + Dane + Finn_East + Mixed_East_Slav @ 2.664215
3 Balt + Belarusian_Russian + Russian-Ural + Swede @ 2.734361
4 Balt + Mixed_East_Slav + Russian-Ural + Swede @ 2.735470
5 Belarusian_Russian + Dane + Estonian + Russian-Ural @ 2.737094
6 Dane + Estonian + Mixed_East_Slav + Russian-Ural @ 2.739172
7 Belarusian_Russian + Finn_East + Russian-North-West + Swede_Saami @ 2.739701
8 Belarusian_Russian + Finn_East + Finn_West + Kashub @ 2.742314
9 Finn_East + Finn_West + Kashub + Mixed_East_Slav @ 2.745293
10 Balt + Belarusian_Russian + Dane + Finnish-East @ 2.749315
11 Balt + Dane + Finnish-East + Mixed_East_Slav @ 2.749534
12 Finn_East + Mixed_East_Slav + Russian-North-West + Swede_Saami @ 2.754208
13 Belarusian_Russian + Finnish-East + Russian-North-West + Swede_Saami @ 2.757113
14 Finnish-East + Mixed_East_Slav + Russian-North-West + Swede_Saami @ 2.759397
15 Belarusian_Russian + Finn_East + Mordovian + Swede @ 2.765279
16 Finn_East + Mixed_East_Slav + Mixed_East_Slav + Norwegian_West @ 2.767492
17 Finn_East + Mixed_East_Slav + Mordovian + Swede @ 2.767662
18 Belarusian_Russian + Finn_East + Mixed_East_Slav + Norwegian_West @ 2.767910
19 Belarusian_Russian + Belarusian_Russian + Finn_East + Norwegian_West @ 2.768430
20 Belarusian_Russian + Belarusian_Russian + Finn_East + Norwegian_East @ 2.769166

Также на карте Сергея Козлова, я расположен на линии Новгород-Унжа с самым ярким центром в Угличе -



Если посмотреть кого Веренич взял в референс по K23b калькулятору, то можно увидеть откуда взяты русские -

Russian-North
Russian-North-West
Russian-Upper-Volga
Russian-Ural
Russian-West
Russian_Center
Russian_Meshtchyora
Russian_North
Russian_South
Russian_Vologda

Однако в новом K16 калькуляторе таких точных указаний нет (кроме казаков (каких?) и запада)... Просто указано, что русские...

Russian
Russian
Russian_cossack
Russian
Russian
Russian
Russian
Russian
Russians-West

Интересно посмотреть кому на форуме в K16 эти русские окажутся ближайшими... Может быть ув. Вадим Веренич пояснит каких русских он взял в референс по K16?


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Re: Проект Magnus Ducatus Lituaniae
« Ответ #1247 : 23 Февраль 2017, 04:42:35 »
Финн + Исландец + Латыш + Поляк

Кажется в K16 не включили Russian_North_West... как в K23b...

А вы с Северо-Западных областей? По результатам больше на Северо-Восток походит.

По K23b калькулятору меня отнесли как раз к Северо-Западным Русским -

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Russian-North-West @ 4.557448
2 Russian-Upper-Volga @ 4.672831
3 Russian-West @ 4.845314
4 Russian_Meshtchyora @ 5.083710
5 Russian_North @ 5.610406
6 Sorb @ 6.314141
7 Belarusian-East @ 6.375125
8 Erzya @ 6.493247
9 Kashub @ 6.511312
10 Russian_South @ 6.573071
11 Finnish_FIN @ 6.833081
12 Belarusian_West @ 7.068030
13 Finnish-East @ 7.468376
14 Russian-North @ 7.481290
15 Ukrainian_Center @ 7.573701
16 Finn_East @ 7.580373
17 Finn_West @ 7.580749
18 Ukrainian_East @ 7.677742
19 Russian_Vologda @ 8.145389
20 Don_cossack @ 8.169399

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Finn_East +50% Sorb @ 3.090706


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Belarusian_Russian +25% Finn_East +25% Norwegian_West @ 2.768430


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Balt + Belarusian_Russian + Dane + Finn_East @ 2.662858
2 Balt + Dane + Finn_East + Mixed_East_Slav @ 2.664215
3 Balt + Belarusian_Russian + Russian-Ural + Swede @ 2.734361
4 Balt + Mixed_East_Slav + Russian-Ural + Swede @ 2.735470
5 Belarusian_Russian + Dane + Estonian + Russian-Ural @ 2.737094
6 Dane + Estonian + Mixed_East_Slav + Russian-Ural @ 2.739172
7 Belarusian_Russian + Finn_East + Russian-North-West + Swede_Saami @ 2.739701
8 Belarusian_Russian + Finn_East + Finn_West + Kashub @ 2.742314
9 Finn_East + Finn_West + Kashub + Mixed_East_Slav @ 2.745293
10 Balt + Belarusian_Russian + Dane + Finnish-East @ 2.749315
11 Balt + Dane + Finnish-East + Mixed_East_Slav @ 2.749534
12 Finn_East + Mixed_East_Slav + Russian-North-West + Swede_Saami @ 2.754208
13 Belarusian_Russian + Finnish-East + Russian-North-West + Swede_Saami @ 2.757113
14 Finnish-East + Mixed_East_Slav + Russian-North-West + Swede_Saami @ 2.759397
15 Belarusian_Russian + Finn_East + Mordovian + Swede @ 2.765279
16 Finn_East + Mixed_East_Slav + Mixed_East_Slav + Norwegian_West @ 2.767492
17 Finn_East + Mixed_East_Slav + Mordovian + Swede @ 2.767662
18 Belarusian_Russian + Finn_East + Mixed_East_Slav + Norwegian_West @ 2.767910
19 Belarusian_Russian + Belarusian_Russian + Finn_East + Norwegian_West @ 2.768430
20 Belarusian_Russian + Belarusian_Russian + Finn_East + Norwegian_East @ 2.769166

Также на карте Сергея Козлова, я расположен на линии Новгород-Унжа с самым ярким центром в Угличе -



Если посмотреть кого Веренич взял в референс по K23b калькулятору, то можно увидеть откуда взяты русские -

Russian-North
Russian-North-West
Russian-Upper-Volga
Russian-Ural
Russian-West
Russian_Center
Russian_Meshtchyora
Russian_North
Russian_South
Russian_Vologda

Однако в новом K16 калькуляторе таких точных указаний нет (кроме казаков (каких?) и запада)... Просто указано, что русские...

Russian
Russian
Russian_cossack
Russian
Russian
Russian
Russian
Russian
Russians-West

Интересно посмотреть кому на форуме в K16 эти русские окажутся ближайшими... Может быть ув. Вадим Веренич пояснит каких русских он взял в референс по K16?


То что русские без дальнейших указаний это ошибка Гедматча, а по к-23 у вас всё-таки слишком большая дистанция от NW, я просто подметил, что у вас по K16 многовато siberian и ameridian для СЗ, скорее на СВ походит.

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Re: Проект Magnus Ducatus Lituaniae
« Ответ #1248 : 23 Февраль 2017, 05:37:39 »
А что понимать под Северо-Восток? Пермь или Вятка? Как-то тоже не близко... Кстати, вот результаты по K27

Admixture-компоненты по К27:

  0.60%  Nilotic-Omotic     
  0.04%  Ancestral-South-Ind.
 49.36%  North-European-Balt.
  4.94%  Uralic             
  0.00%  Australo-Melanesian
  1.01%  East-Siberian       
  0.49%  Ancestral-Yayoi     
  6.52%  Caucasian-Near-East.
  0.00%  Tibeto-Burman       
  0.00%  Austronesian       
  0.00%  Central-African-Pygm
  0.02%  Central-African-HG 
  0.00%  Nilo-Saharian       
  0.76%  North-African       
  5.05%  Gedrosia-Caucasian 
  0.03%  Cushitic           
  0.00%  Congo-Pygmean       
  0.00%  Bushmen             
  1.73%  South-Meso-Amerind.
 11.65%  South-West-European
  0.51%  North-Amerindian   
  1.44%  Arabic             
  0.19%  North-Circumpolar   
  0.85%  Kalash             
  0.26%  Papuan-Australian   
 14.47%  Baltic-Finnic       
  0.08%  Bantu

4 Ancestors Oracle
Version 0.97 by Alexandr Burnashev

Data file is E:\genome_Sergey_Kozlov\AdMix4\4Anc097\Data_MDLP_W27.txt
27 components mode.
Population data has been read.  127 populations found.
Personal data has been read. 50 approximations mode.
Person: 
Threshold of components set to 0,29%
Gaussian method was disabled by user


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Russian_Uglich @ 2,784432
2 Russian_Unzha @ 3,8683
3 Russian_Novgorod @ 3,9766
4 Russian_Ivanovo @ 5,018192
5 Russian_Arzamas @ 5,027587
6 Russian_Meshtchyora @ 5,238041
7 Russian_Moscow @ 5,266886
8 Russian_Tatarstan_Arsk @ 5,295325
9 Russian_Saratov @ 5,402827
10 Russian_Solvychegodsk @ 5,667738
11 Russian_Ustyuzhna @ 5,695562
12 Russian_Kargopol_HGDP @ 5,701876
13 Russian_Siberia @ 5,774045
14 Russian_Voronezh @ 6,029509
15 Russian_Tver @ 6,044756
16 Russian_Ryazan @ 6,074305
17 Russian_Murom @ 6,200443
18 Russian_Vyatka @ 6,514445
19 Russian_Tambov @ 6,611712
20 Russian_Lipetsk @ 6,624969
21 Russian_Bryansk @ 6,737115
22 Russian_Kursk_Oryol @ 6,782177
23 Erzya @ 7,124282
24 Russian_Andreapol @ 7,450094
25 Russian_Smolensk @ 7,565887
26 Russian_Pskov @ 7,754434
27 Russian_Ural_East @ 7,961571
28 Belarusian_Gomel @ 8,013785
29 Belarusian_Minsk @ 8,078452
30 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 8,094444
31 Belarusian_Mogilyov @ 8,316347
32 Belarusian_West @ 8,432437
33 Belarusian_Vitebsk @ 8,458744
34 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,54246
35 Moksha @ 8,615195
36 Russian_Ural_West @ 9,184775
37 Polish @ 9,347828
38 Russian_Kuban @ 9,353977
39 Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 9,417207
40 Russian_Baykal @ 9,946589
41 Russian_Don_Cossack @ 10,129024
42 Lithuanian @ 10,35226
43 Ukrainian_Vinnitsa @ 10,754647
44 Ukrainian_Lvov @ 12,153889
45 Russian_Vyatka_NE @ 12,396926
46 Russian_North_Dvina @ 13,383604
47 Russian_Mezen_Pinega @ 14,399237
48 Slovak @ 14,755804
49 Estonian @ 14,79235
50 Latgalian @ 15,339679
127 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Russian_Novgorod+Russian_Uglich @ 2,667897
2 Russian_Uglich+Russian_Uglich @ 2,784432
3 Russian_Uglich+Russian_Unzha @ 2,822089
4 Belarusian_West+Russian_Kargopol_HGDP @ 3,104611
5 Russian_Kargopol_HGDP+Russian_Lipetsk @ 3,15494
6 Russian_Kargopol_HGDP+Russian_Murom @ 3,199262
7 Russian_Kargopol_HGDP+Russian_Uglich @ 3,248066
8 Russian_Kargopol_HGDP+Russian_Saratov @ 3,32669
9 Russian_Novgorod+Russian_Unzha @ 3,33638
10 Russian_Kargopol_HGDP+Russian_Tver @ 3,343666
11 Russian_Kargopol_HGDP+Russian_Voronezh @ 3,346081
12 Russian_Kargopol_HGDP+Russian_Moscow @ 3,351987
13 Russian_Arzamas+Russian_Kargopol_HGDP @ 3,384361
14 Russian_Pskov+Russian_Solvychegodsk @ 3,400724
15 Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Kargopol_HGDP @ 3,443399
16 Russian_Novgorod+Russian_Siberia @ 3,443656
17 Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Solvychegodsk @ 3,456248
18 Russian_Arzamas+Russian_Uglich @ 3,45691
19 Belarusian_Vitebsk+Russian_Solvychegodsk @ 3,47664
20 Belarusian_Minsk+Russian_Solvychegodsk @ 3,493608
21 Russian_Ivanovo+Russian_Uglich @ 3,499941
22 Russian_Kargopol_HGDP+Russian_Meshtchyora @ 3,512244
23 Polish+Russian_Kargopol_HGDP @ 3,526124
24 Russian_Kargopol_HGDP+Russian_Kursk_Oryol @ 3,532489
25 Russian_Andreapol+Russian_Solvychegodsk @ 3,54515
26 Russian_Kargopol_HGDP+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,54544
27 Russian_Moscow+Russian_Uglich @ 3,551444
28 Russian_Kargopol_HGDP+Russian_Ryazan @ 3,552021
29 Russian_Solvychegodsk+Russian_Uglich @ 3,556387
30 Russian_Novgorod+Russian_Solvychegodsk @ 3,583408
31 Russian_Uglich+Russian_Ustyuzhna @ 3,592762
32 Russian_Pskov+Russian_Siberia @ 3,606275
33 Russian_Arzamas+Russian_Unzha @ 3,64123
34 Russian_Moscow+Russian_Solvychegodsk @ 3,660009
35 Russian_Kargopol_HGDP+Russian_Smolensk @ 3,660905
36 Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Russian_Solvychegodsk @ 3,665414
37 Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Uglich @ 3,693674
38 Russian_Moscow+Russian_Unzha @ 3,706106
39 Russian_Saratov+Russian_Unzha @ 3,706171
40 Belarusian_Vitebsk+Russian_Kargopol_HGDP @ 3,707419
41 Russian_Tatarstan_Arsk+Russian_Uglich @ 3,719538
42 Russian_Kargopol_HGDP+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,728512
43 Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_Unzha @ 3,75549
44 Russian_Arzamas+Russian_Solvychegodsk @ 3,757214
45 Russian_Saratov+Russian_Uglich @ 3,779408
46 Belarusian_Gomel+Russian_Kargopol_HGDP @ 3,779677
47 Belarusian_Minsk+Russian_Kargopol_HGDP @ 3,784931
48 Russian_Novgorod+Russian_Tatarstan_Arsk @ 3,786272
49 Russian_Ivanovo+Russian_Kargopol_HGDP @ 3,818098
50 Russian_Solvychegodsk+Russian_Tver @ 3,825601
8128 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Russian_Murom +25% Estonian +25% Russian_Siberia @ 2,400382
2 50% Latgalian +25% German +25% Komi_Izhma @ 2,409384
3 50% Russian_Murom +25% Erzya +25% Estonian @ 2,424608
4 50% Russian_Uglich +25% Russian_Novgorod +25% Russian_Uglich @ 2,503794
5 50% Russian_Uglich +25% Belarusian_Vitebsk +25% Russian_North_Dvina @ 2,514934
6 50% Russian_Lipetsk +25% Lithuanian +25% Russian_Mezen_Pinega @ 2,516365
7 50% Russian_Lipetsk +25% Lithuanian +25% Russian_North_Dvina @ 2,534361
8 50% Russian_Saratov +25% Erzya +25% Estonian @ 2,538738
9 50% Russian_Uglich +25% Russian_Novgorod +25% Russian_Unzha @ 2,544927
10 50% Russian_Voronezh +25% Estonian +25% Russian_Siberia @ 2,551772
11 50% Belarusian_Vitebsk +25% Russian_North_Dvina +25% Russian_Uglich @ 2,555975
12 50% Russian_Uglich +25% Russian_Kargopol_HGDP +25% Russian_Novgorod @ 2,558062
13 50% Russian_Solvychegodsk +25% Lithuanian +25% Russian_Uglich @ 2,57939
14 50% Latgalian +25% German +25% Russian_Mezen_Pinega @ 2,590743
15 50% Russian_Kargopol_HGDP +25% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Uglich @ 2,596326
16 50% Russian_Saratov +25% Lithuanian +25% Russian_North_Dvina @ 2,59686
17 50% Russian_Uglich +25% Belarusian_Vitebsk +25% Russian_Kargopol_HGDP @ 2,597061
18 50% Russian_Uglich +25% Lithuanian +25% Russian_Solvychegodsk @ 2,598583
19 50% Russian_Uglich +25% Russian_Kargopol_HGDP +25% Russian_Uglich @ 2,599216
20 50% Russian_Solvychegodsk +25% Lithuanian +25% Russian_Lipetsk @ 2,608173
21 50% Russian_Uglich +25% Russian_Kargopol_HGDP +25% Russian_Moscow @ 2,618943
22 50% Russian_Uglich +25% Russian_Arzamas +25% Russian_Kargopol_HGDP @ 2,62489
23 50% Erzya +25% Estonian +25% Polish @ 2,629524
24 50% Russian_Murom +25% Estonian +25% Russian_Vyatka @ 2,630647
25 50% Erzya +25% Belarusian_West +25% Estonian @ 2,633832
26 50% Russian_Saratov +25% Estonian +25% Russian_Siberia @ 2,63474
27 50% Belarusian_West +25% Estonian +25% Russian_Vyatka_NE @ 2,636275
28 50% Belarusian_West +25% Estonian +25% Russian_Ural_West @ 2,636664
29 50% Russian_Murom +25% Estonian +25% Russian_Unzha @ 2,642986
30 50% Russian_Uglich +25% Russian_Uglich +25% Russian_Unzha @ 2,647654
31 50% Russian_Murom +25% Estonian +25% Russian_Solvychegodsk @ 2,660233
32 50% Russian_Murom +25% Estonian +25% Russian_Uglich @ 2,663671
33 50% Russian_Uglich +25% Russian_Novgorod +25% Russian_Solvychegodsk @ 2,664753
34 50% Russian_Murom +25% Estonian +25% Russian_Tatarstan_Arsk @ 2,668811
35 50% Russian_Uglich +25% Russian_Pskov +25% Russian_Solvychegodsk @ 2,668947
36 50% Russian_Voronezh +25% Erzya +25% Estonian @ 2,674229
37 50% Russian_Murom +25% Lithuanian +25% Vepsa @ 2,67626
38 50% Russian_Siberia +25% Estonian +25% Polish @ 2,679021
39 50% Russian_Uglich +25% Russian_Kargopol_HGDP +25% Russian_Smolensk @ 2,679383
40 50% Russian_Murom +25% Lithuanian +25% Russian_North_Dvina @ 2,68891
41 50% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Smolensk +25% Vepsa @ 2,689397
42 50% Russian_Lipetsk +25% Lithuanian +25% Vepsa @ 2,691721
43 50% Belarusian_West +25% Belarusian_Vitebsk +25% Vepsa @ 2,694026
44 50% Russian_Uglich +25% Russian_Kargopol_HGDP +25% Russian_Voronezh @ 2,694226
45 50% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Unzha +25% Vepsa @ 2,69541
46 50% Russian_Unzha +25% Latgalian +25% Swedish @ 2,695644
47 50% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Andreapol +25% Vepsa @ 2,699169
48 50% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Uglich +25% Vepsa @ 2,70838
49 50% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Novgorod +25% Vepsa @ 2,70905
50 50% Russian_Murom +25% Estonian +25% Russian_Ural_West @ 2,709426
678759 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Lithuanian+Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_North_Dvina+Russian_Uglich @ 2,311509
2 Belarusian_Vitebsk+Belarusian_West+Russian_Uglich+Vepsa @ 2,328058
3 Erzya+Estonian+Polish+Russian_Siberia @ 2,354466
4 Erzya+Estonian+Russian_Murom+Russian_Uglich @ 2,373176
5 Belarusian_West+Erzya+Estonian+Russian_Siberia @ 2,38916
6 Lithuanian+Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_Mezen_Pinega+Russian_Uglich @ 2,398809
7 Estonian+Russian_Murom+Russian_Murom+Russian_Siberia @ 2,400382
8 German+Komi_Izhma+Latgalian+Latgalian @ 2,409384
9 Belarusian_West+Erzya+Lithuanian+Vepsa @ 2,409953
10 Belarusian_West+Estonian+Russian_Murom+Russian_Ural_West @ 2,413559
11 Estonian+Russian_Murom+Russian_Siberia+Russian_Voronezh @ 2,413718
12 Erzya+Estonian+Russian_Murom+Russian_Saratov @ 2,41693
13 Lithuanian+Russian_North_Dvina+Russian_Uglich+Russian_Voronezh @ 2,423612
14 Belarusian_West+Estonian+Russian_Ural_West+Russian_Voronezh @ 2,424036
15 Erzya+Estonian+Polish+Russian_Uglich @ 2,424525
16 Erzya+Estonian+Russian_Murom+Russian_Murom @ 2,424608
17 Lithuanian+Russian_Murom+Russian_North_Dvina+Russian_Uglich @ 2,426692
18 Belarusian_West+Estonian+Russian_Saratov+Russian_Siberia @ 2,428161
19 Lithuanian+Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_North_Dvina+Russian_Saratov @ 2,42974
20 Lithuanian+Russian_Arzamas+Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_North_Dvina @ 2,433878
21 Belarusian_West+Erzya+Estonian+Russian_Uglich @ 2,435455
22 Belarusian_West+Estonian+Russian_Siberia+Russian_Voronezh @ 2,437071
23 Belarusian_West+Erzya+Estonian+Russian_Tatarstan_Arsk @ 2,448338
24 Erzya+Lithuanian+Polish+Vepsa @ 2,448395
25 Belarusian_West+Estonian+Russian_Murom+Russian_Siberia @ 2,451801
26 Estonian+Polish+Russian_Ural_West+Russian_Voronezh @ 2,454348
27 Estonian+Russian_Murom+Russian_Saratov+Russian_Siberia @ 2,455899
28 Lithuanian+Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_North_Dvina+Russian_Voronezh @ 2,457696
29 Lithuanian+Russian_North_Dvina+Russian_Saratov+Russian_Uglich @ 2,457708
30 Erzya+Estonian+Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_Murom @ 2,461678
31 Erzya+Estonian+Russian_Uglich+Russian_Voronezh @ 2,468431
32 Belarusian_West+Lithuanian+Russian_Lipetsk+Vepsa @ 2,470079
33 Belarusian_West+Estonian+Russian_Saratov+Russian_Ural_West @ 2,471644
34 Estonian+Polish+Russian_Murom+Russian_Ural_West @ 2,474185
35 Belarusian_Vitebsk+Belarusian_West+Russian_North_Dvina+Russian_Uglich @ 2,47476
36 Belarusian_West+Lithuanian+Russian_Saratov+Vepsa @ 2,475825
37 Estonian+Russian_Moscow+Russian_Murom+Russian_Siberia @ 2,476451
38 Belarusian_West+Estonian+Russian_Moscow+Russian_Siberia @ 2,477634
39 Lithuanian+Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_Moscow+Russian_North_Dvina @ 2,479028
40 Estonian+Russian_Murom+Russian_Siberia+Russian_Tver @ 2,490548
41 Erzya+Estonian+Russian_Murom+Russian_Voronezh @ 2,490876
42 Erzya+Estonian+Polish+Russian_Solvychegodsk @ 2,492091
43 Estonian+Polish+Russian_Moscow+Russian_Ural_West @ 2,495755
44 Lithuanian+Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_Murom+Russian_North_Dvina @ 2,496079
45 Estonian+Polish+Russian_Saratov+Russian_Ural_West @ 2,49835
46 Belarusian_West+Estonian+Russian_Moscow+Russian_Ural_West @ 2,498705
47 Belarusian_West+Estonian+Russian_Murom+Russian_Vyatka @ 2,499037
48 Erzya+Estonian+Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_Saratov @ 2,501918
49 Erzya+Estonian+Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_Uglich @ 2,503431
50 Russian_Novgorod+Russian_Uglich+Russian_Uglich+Russian_Uglich @ 2,503794
51 Belarusian_West+Lithuanian+Russian_Murom+Vepsa @ 2,505654
52 Belarusian_Vitebsk+Latgalian+Russian_Mezen_Pinega+Swedish @ 2,51084
53 Erzya+Estonian+Russian_Saratov+Russian_Uglich @ 2,511965
54 Belarusian_Vitebsk+Belarusian_West+Russian_Mezen_Pinega+Russian_Uglich @ 2,513613
55 Erzya+Estonian+Polish+Russian_Tatarstan_Arsk @ 2,514087
56 Belarusian_Vitebsk+Russian_North_Dvina+Russian_Uglich+Russian_Uglich @ 2,514934
57 Lithuanian+Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_Mezen_Pinega @ 2,516365
58 Belarusian_West+Lithuanian+Russian_Voronezh+Vepsa @ 2,517773
59 Estonian+Polish+Russian_Saratov+Russian_Siberia @ 2,518071
60 Erzya+Estonian+Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_Voronezh @ 2,519095
61 Belarusian_West+Erzya+Estonian+Russian_Saratov @ 2,519217
62 Erzya+Estonian+Polish+Russian_Unzha @ 2,519393
63 Belarusian_West+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Uglich+Vepsa @ 2,523264
64 Belarusian_West+Lithuanian+Russian_Mezen_Pinega+Russian_Uglich @ 2,5246
65 Erzya+Estonian+Russian_Moscow+Russian_Murom @ 2,52643
66 Lithuanian+Polish+Russian_Mezen_Pinega+Russian_Uglich @ 2,529517
67 Estonian+Polish+Russian_Siberia+Russian_Voronezh @ 2,52966
68 Estonian+Russian_Saratov+Russian_Siberia+Russian_Voronezh @ 2,531134
69 Belarusian_Vitebsk+Estonian+Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_Ural_West @ 2,53396
70 Lithuanian+Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_North_Dvina @ 2,534361
71 Estonian+Polish+Russian_Moscow+Russian_Siberia @ 2,536913
72 Erzya+Estonian+Russian_Saratov+Russian_Saratov @ 2,538738
73 Erzya+Estonian+Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_Moscow @ 2,541832
74 Belarusian_West+Lithuanian+Russian_North_Dvina+Russian_Uglich @ 2,543366
75 Lithuanian+Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_Mezen_Pinega+Russian_Murom @ 2,543831
76 Lithuanian+Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_North_Dvina @ 2,544144
77 Russian_Novgorod+Russian_Uglich+Russian_Uglich+Russian_Unzha @ 2,544927
78 Erzya+Estonian+Russian_Saratov+Russian_Voronezh @ 2,545248
79 Lithuanian+Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_Mezen_Pinega+Russian_Saratov @ 2,546417
80 Latgalian+Russian_Andreapol+Russian_Mezen_Pinega+Swedish @ 2,549586
81 Erzya+Estonian+Russian_Uglich+Ukrainian_Vinnitsa @ 2,550034
82 Estonian+Russian_Siberia+Russian_Voronezh+Russian_Voronezh @ 2,551772
83 Belarusian_Vitebsk+Belarusian_West+Russian_Saratov+Vepsa @ 2,555796
84 Belarusian_Vitebsk+Belarusian_Vitebsk+Russian_North_Dvina+Russian_Uglich @ 2,555975
85 Belarusian_West+Estonian+Russian_Murom+Russian_Solvychegodsk @ 2,558054
86 Russian_Kargopol_HGDP+Russian_Novgorod+Russian_Uglich+Russian_Uglich @ 2,558062
87 Belarusian_West+Estonian+Russian_Saratov+Russian_Vyatka @ 2,560028
88 Belarusian_West+Erzya+Estonian+Russian_Solvychegodsk @ 2,560397
89 Belarusian_Vitebsk+Russian_North_Dvina+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Uglich @ 2,560945
90 Lithuanian+Polish+Russian_North_Dvina+Russian_Uglich @ 2,56152
91 Estonian+Russian_Siberia+Russian_Tver+Russian_Voronezh @ 2,561662
92 Belarusian_Vitebsk+Estonian+Russian_Murom+Russian_Ural_West @ 2,562529
93 Belarusian_Vitebsk+Belarusian_West+Russian_Meshtchyora+Vepsa @ 2,562966
94 Estonian+Polish+Russian_Murom+Russian_Vyatka @ 2,564357
95 Belarusian_Vitebsk+Estonian+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Vinnitsa @ 2,566093
96 Estonian+Polish+Russian_Tver+Russian_Ural_West @ 2,567057
97 Belarusian_West+Estonian+Russian_Murom+Russian_Ural_East @ 2,567164
98 Belarusian_West+Lithuanian+Russian_North_Dvina+Russian_Tatarstan_Arsk @ 2,568695
99 Belarusian_West+Estonian+Russian_Voronezh+Russian_Vyatka @ 2,56881
100 Latgalian+Russian_Kargopol_HGDP+Russian_Unzha+Swedish @ 2,569076
5696283 iterations.



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Re: Проект Magnus Ducatus Lituaniae
« Ответ #1249 : 23 Февраль 2017, 06:47:24 »
То что русские без дальнейших указаний это ошибка Гедматча, а по к-23 у вас всё-таки слишком большая дистанция от NW, я просто подметил, что у вас по K16 многовато siberian и ameridian для СЗ, скорее на СВ походит.
Ну почему, по Spreadsheet там Siberian+Arctic+Amerindian у пяти русских выборок в диапазоне 3-4, у двух около 8 (думаю, это HGDP И Унжа) и у двух около 11 (думаю, Пинега и Архангельск). 4.87 Николы вполне можно проинтерпретировать как СЗ с некоторым сдвигом к СВ.

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Re: Проект Magnus Ducatus Lituaniae
« Ответ #1250 : 23 Февраль 2017, 16:29:02 »
То что русские без дальнейших указаний это ошибка Гедматча, а по к-23 у вас всё-таки слишком большая дистанция от NW, я просто подметил, что у вас по K16 многовато siberian и ameridian для СЗ, скорее на СВ походит.
Ну почему, по Spreadsheet там Siberian+Arctic+Amerindian у пяти русских выборок в диапазоне 3-4, у двух около 8 (думаю, это HGDP И Унжа) и у двух около 11 (думаю, Пинега и Архангельск). 4.87 Николы вполне можно проинтерпретировать как СЗ с некоторым сдвигом к СВ.

Ну да, пожалуй так будет правильно.

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Re: Проект Magnus Ducatus Lituaniae
« Ответ #1251 : 23 Февраль 2017, 20:52:24 »
 Мои результаты

К-16

1   NorthEastEuropean   31.14
2   Neolithic   21.56
3   Steppe   20.25
4   Caucasian   20.24
5   Siberian   4.45
6   Arctic   1.16
7   Oceanic   0.64
8   Indian   0.57

#   Population (source)   Distance
1   Cossack   3.44
2   Russian   3.63
3   Ukrainian   3.9
4   Pole   4.06
5   Pole   4.06
6   Russian   4.11
7   Russian_cossack   4.16
8   Russian   4.18
9   Belarusian   4.18
10   Pole   4.27

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Bulgarian + Ingrians + Ingrians + Ingrians @ 1.422325
2 Belarusian + Bulgarian + Finn + Finn @ 1.576504
3 Belarusian + Ingrians + Russian + Serbian @ 1.593045
4 Finn + Ingrians + Macedonian + Russians-West @ 1.601968
5 Croat + Ingrians + Pole + Russian @ 1.606084
6 Belarusian + Bulgarian + Finn + Ingrians @ 1.609098
7 Belarusian + Ingrians + Russian + Serbian @ 1.609100
8 Croat + Ingrians + Pole + Russian @ 1.615098
9 Bulgarian + Finn + Ingrians + Ingrians @ 1.632355
10 Croat + Ingrians + Pole + Russian @ 1.634187
11 Bosnian + Ingrians + Pole + Russian @ 1.639148
12 Finn + Ingrians + Pole + Serbian @ 1.649585
13 Bosnian + Ingrians + Pole + Russian @ 1.650335
14 Ingrians + Pole + Russian + Serbian @ 1.652465
15 Cossack + German_Lipsian + Pole + Russian @ 1.657136
16 Finn + Ingrians + Pole + Serbian @ 1.657407
17 Croat + Ingrians + Pole + Russian @ 1.658733
18 Ingrians + Pole + Russian + Serbian @ 1.660362
19 Belarusian + Bulgarian + Finn + Finn @ 1.663381
20 Croat + Dutch + Finn + Russian @ 1.667329

К-11

1   WHG   41.13
2   EHG   24.15
3   Neolithic   23.74
4   Siberian   3.95
5   Basal   2.49
6   Iran-Mesolithic   2.34
7   SEA   1.5
8   ASI   0.52
9   Oceanic   0.17
10   African   0.01

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Unetice_EBA @ 6.068888
2 Nordic_LN @ 6.421354
3 Nordic_IA @ 6.840680
4 Corded_Ware_Proto_Unetice_Poland @ 7.148120
5 Nordic_LBA @ 7.509961
6 BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN @ 7.992920
7 Unetice_MBA @ 8.056116
8 Nordic_MN_B @ 8.094366
9 Corded_Ware_Estonia @ 8.300883
10 British_AngloSaxon @ 8.691842

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Alberstedt_LN + Hungary_IronAge + Hungary_IronAge + Scandinavian_NH @ 2.456706
2 Corded_Ware_Germany + Halberstadt_LBA + Mezhovskaya_LBA + Swedish_LN @ 2.480119
3 Alberstedt_LN + Corded_Ware_Germany + Mezhovskaya_LBA + Swedish_LN @ 2.624700
4 Bell_Beaker_Germany + Corded_Ware_Germany + Mezhovskaya_LBA + Swedish_LN @ 2.625462
5 Bell_Beaker_Germany + Hungary_IronAge + Hungary_IronAge + Scandinavian_NH @ 2.630105
6 BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN + Mezhovskaya_LBA + Poltavka_MBA_outlier + Swedish_LN @ 2.630401
7 British_Celtic + Hungary_IronAge + Hungary_IronAge + Scandinavian_NH @ 2.663092
8 Bell_Beaker + Mezhovskaya_LBA + Poltavka_MBA_outlier + Swedish_LN @ 2.704055
9 Bell_Beaker_Czech + Corded_Ware_Germany + Mezhovskaya_LBA + Swedish_LN @ 2.718714
10 Hungary_BA + Mezhovskaya_LBA + Poltavka_MBA_outlier + Unetice_EBA @ 2.739905

Вот интересно, в оракле выдает и казака, и русского, и украинца, и поляка. А как раскладывает на предполагаемые компоненты, то финны-инкери упорно выскакивают :)

Силен таки северный мезолитический компонент у восточных европейцев. Как там, в "Играх Престолов", - "потомки Первых людей"?

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Re: Проект Magnus Ducatus Lituaniae
« Ответ #1252 : 08 Март 2017, 05:13:58 »
Прогнал по K16 шнуровика  - посчитали шотландцем... хммм

Kit Num: M191719
Threshold of components set to 1.000
Threshold of method set to 0.25%
Personal data has been read. 20 approximations mode.
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MDLP K16 Modern 4-Ancestors Oracle

This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

MDLP K16 2xOracle and OracleX4

Admix Results (sorted):

#   Population   Percent
1   Steppe   40.80
2   NorthEastEuropean   23.89
3   Neolithic   20.80
4   Caucasian   14.50


Finished reading population data. 516 populations found.
16 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Scottish @ 16.262144
2 Orcadian @ 17.198835
3 Icelandic @ 18.242184
4 Irish @ 18.658689
5 Norwegian @ 18.659899
6 English @ 18.822124
7 Irish @ 19.108130
8 Irish @ 19.158779
9 Irish @ 19.516880
10 Scottish @ 19.753548
11 Irish @ 19.767603
12 Shetlandic @ 19.784561
13 English @ 19.929352
14 English @ 19.937046
15 Scottish @ 19.979746
16 Scottish @ 20.326353
17 Scottish @ 20.488184
18 Swede @ 20.764265
19 Dutch @ 20.834240
20 Hungarian @ 20.870863

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Scottish +50% Scottish @ 16.262144


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Scottish +25% Scottish +25% Scottish @ 16.262144


Using 4 populations approximation:

1 Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish @ 16.262144
2 Orcadian + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish @ 16.489405
3 Icelandic + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish @ 16.702063
4 Orcadian + Orcadian + Scottish + Scottish @ 16.719429
5 Irish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish @ 16.799509
6 Norwegian + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish @ 16.822262
7 English + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish @ 16.866735
8 Irish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish @ 16.907175
9 Finn + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish @ 16.930885
10 Icelandic + Orcadian + Scottish + Scottish @ 16.940651
11 Irish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish @ 16.941540
12 Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Scottish @ 16.958447
13 Irish + Orcadian + Scottish + Scottish @ 17.020243
14 Irish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish @ 17.039207
15 Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Tubalar @ 17.043556
16 Norwegian + Orcadian + Scottish + Scottish @ 17.052959
17 Irish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish @ 17.069927
18 Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish @ 17.081678
19 Orcadian + Scottish + Scottish + Tubalar @ 17.091278
20 English + Orcadian + Scottish + Scottish @ 17.091640

Done.

Elapsed time 407.7390 seconds.

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Re: Проект Magnus Ducatus Lituaniae
« Ответ #1253 : 08 Март 2017, 06:11:58 »
Прогнал по K16 шнуровика  - посчитали шотландцем... хммм
Отображение более высокой доли "степного ямного" компонента у северо-западных европейцев.

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Re: Проект Magnus Ducatus Lituaniae
« Ответ #1254 : 08 Март 2017, 14:28:16 »
Мой K-16:

MDLP K16 2xOracle and OracleX4

Admix Results (sorted):

#   Population   Percent
1    NorthEastEuropean    31.81
2    Neolithic    22.03
3    Steppe    21.85
4    Caucasian    18.95
5    Siberian    2.12

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Belarusian @ 2.092933
2 Pole @ 3.653141
3 Cossack @ 3.733628
4 Russian @ 3.796792
5 Belarusian @ 3.834165
6 Ukrainians_north @ 4.055031
7 Pole @ 4.156720
8 Ukrainian @ 4.291844
9 Pole @ 4.321812
10 Belarusian @ 4.468906
11 Ukrainians_east @ 4.484164
12 Pole @ 4.584069
13 Russian_cossack @ 4.589899
14 Swede @ 4.619523
15 Sorb @ 4.689898
16 Russian @ 4.791892
17 Russian @ 4.844637
18 Russian @ 4.918854
19 Finn @ 4.939981
20 Belarusian_East @ 5.315007

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% Russians-West @ 1.480845


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Belarusian +25% Cossack +25% Scottish @ 1.163436


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Belarusian + Ingrians + Irish + Pole @ 0.990402
2 Cossack + Pole + Scottish + Ukrainians_east @ 1.019879
3 Belarusian + Pole + Russian + Scottish @ 1.032628
4 Cossack + Pole + Pole + Scottish @ 1.035584
5 Cossack + Orcadian + Pole + Pole @ 1.041140
6 Erzya_Moksha + German_Lipsian + Lithuanian + Scottish @ 1.053133
7 Belarusian + Cossack + Pole + Scottish @ 1.054483
8 Belarusian + Cossack + Orcadian + Pole @ 1.061636
9 Belarusian + Erzya_Moksha + Orcadian + Pole @ 1.069515
10 Belarusian + Ingrians + Irish + Pole @ 1.071497
11 Ingrians + Irish + Pole + Russians-West @ 1.077565
12 Ingrians + Irish + Pole + Pole @ 1.080777
13 Belarusian + Erzya_Moksha + Pole + Scottish @ 1.092767
14 Belarusian + Pole + Russian + Scottish @ 1.094451
15 Belarusian + Erzya_Moksha + Icelandic + Pole @ 1.101079
16 Belarusian + German_Lipsian + Russian + Scottish @ 1.104203
17 Ingrians + Irish + Pole + Pole @ 1.107007
18 Belarusian + Pole + Russian + Scottish @ 1.117476
19 Belarusian + Dutch + Russian + Scottish @ 1.122079
20 Belarusian + Ingrians + Irish + Pole @ 1.123312

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Re: Проект Magnus Ducatus Lituaniae
« Ответ #1255 : 08 Март 2017, 16:00:02 »
Прогнал по K16 шнуровика  - посчитали шотландцем... хммм
Отображение более высокой доли "степного ямного" компонента у северо-западных европейцев.
да,
основное отличие северо-восточных европейцев от северо-западных - это увеличение доли WHG-EHG (+ минорная сибирская примесь: обычно, <2-3% для индивидов без недавнего адмикса), которая снижает неолитический и, в какой-то мере, степной компоненты.

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Re: Проект Magnus Ducatus Lituaniae
« Ответ #1256 : 08 Апрель 2017, 14:32:51 »
Удивил результат подопечного, наиболее "классический" житель малой Полтавщины
Бабушки и дедушки из одного региона (фамилии Злобинец-Трирог-Слипец-Чапля)
Особенно даны и англичане Кента  )))

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MDLP K23b 4-Ancestors Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):
#   Population   Percent
1   European_Hunters_Gatherers   48.81
2   Caucasian   25.76
3   European_Early_Farmers   14.18
4   Ancestral_Altaic   3.79
5   South_Central_Asian   2.24
6   South_Indian   2.01
7   Paleo_Siberian   1.18

Using 1 population approximation:
1 German @ 3.904412
2 Slovak @ 4.457840
3 Kashub @ 4.952096
4 Ukrainian_West @ 5.765809
5 Czech @ 6.328672
6 Sorb @ 6.516027
7 Finn_West @ 7.018444
8 Russian_North @ 7.672873
9 Russian_Meshtchyora @ 7.693128
10 Russian-West @ 8.035990
11 Slovenian @ 8.141310
12 Belarusian_West @ 8.239972
13 Hungarian @ 8.246970
14 Belarusian-East @ 8.310680
15 Ukrainian_Center @ 8.390205
16 Russian-North-West @ 8.448039
17 Russian-Upper-Volga @ 8.660919
18 Russian_South @ 8.762780
19 Hungarian_Budapest @ 8.978913
20 Ukrainian_East @ 9.143727

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Dane +50% Ukrainian @ 2.853262


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Belarusian-East +25% English_Kent_GBR +25% Russian-North-West @ 2.281070


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Belarusian-East + Belarusian-East + English_Kent_GBR + Russian-North-West @ 2.281070
2 Estonian + Latvian + Norwegian_West + Romanian @ 2.293160
3 Czech + Russian-West + Russian-West + Swede @ 2.297562
4 English_Kent_GBR + Russian-North-West + Russian-West + Ukrainian_Center @ 2.306897
5 Belarusian-East + Czech + Russian-West + Swede @ 2.308397
6 Belarusian-East + English_Kent_GBR + Russian-North-West + Russian_South @ 2.311638
7 Belgian + Kashub + Russian-West + Russian-West @ 2.314804
8 Belarusian-East + Belgian + Kashub + Russian-North-West @ 2.316305
9 Belgian + Kashub + Russian-West + Russian_South @ 2.318483
10 Belarusian-East + English_Kent_GBR + Russian-North-West + Russian-West @ 2.323341
11 Belarusian-East + English_Kent_GBR + Russian-West + Russian-West @ 2.324421
12 Belarusian-East + Belarusian-East + English_Kent_GBR + Russian-West @ 2.330726
13 Belarusian-East + Belgian + Kashub + Russian-West @ 2.331312
14 Estonian + Estonian + Norwegian_West + Romanian @ 2.336164
15 Belgian + Kashub + Russian-North-West + Russian_South @ 2.337051
16 Belarusian-East + Czech + Russian-North-West + Swede @ 2.337869
17 Belgian + Kashub + Russian-North-West + Russian-West @ 2.343428
18 Belarusian-East + English_Kent_GBR + Russian-West + Russian_South @ 2.346871
19 Belarusian-East + Belarusian-East + Norwegian_West + Slovak @ 2.347899
20 Belarusian-East + Belarusian_West + English_Kent_GBR + Russian-North-West @ 2.349566

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Re: Проект Magnus Ducatus Lituaniae
« Ответ #1257 : 07 Июнь 2017, 01:47:49 »
что-то у MDLP K23b много вариаций. остановился на Russian-West
мой результат
Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_West @ 3.253515
2 Slovak @ 4.559371
3 Kashub @ 5.150042
4 Russian_North @ 5.611974
5 Ukrainian_Center @ 5.727568
6 Russian_Meshtchyora @ 5.777367
7 Belarusian_West @ 5.809641
8 Sorb @ 6.056241
9 Belarusian-East @ 6.095095
10 Russian_South @ 6.269504
11 Ukrainian_East @ 6.368952
12 Russian-West @ 6.379386
13 Czech @ 6.930264
14 German @ 7.124714
15 Moksha @ 7.446763
16 Don_cossack @ 7.550059
17 Russian-Upper-Volga @ 7.583836
18 Russian-North-West @ 7.758597
19 Ukrainian @ 7.975706
20 Erzya @ 8.712130

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Mordovian +50% Slovenian @ 2.718320

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Don_cossack +25% Don_cossack +25% German-Volga @ 2.317864

Using 4 populations approximation:
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1 Kashub + Mixed_East_Slav + Moksha + Serb_Serbia @ 2.213014
2 Belarusian_Russian + Kashub + Moksha + Serb_Serbia @ 2.214808
3 Don_cossack + Hungarian_Budapest + Kashub + Moksha @ 2.234514
4 Bosnian + Don_cossack + Kashub + Moksha @ 2.263453

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Re: Проект Magnus Ducatus Lituaniae
« Ответ #1258 : 18 Июнь 2017, 18:44:34 »
Мой сын T615104, мама из Одессы, украинцы, молдаване (или гагаузы), армяне, поляки.

1 Ukrainian_West @ 3.880059
2 Slovak @ 3.998018
3 Czech @ 4.935166
4 Croat_BH @ 6.138194
5 Hungarian_Budapest @ 6.494109
6 Slovenian @ 6.947027
7 Hungarian @ 6.979096
8 German @ 7.582747
9 Bosnian @ 7.800334
10 Kashub @ 8.034261
1 Finnish_FIN + Lithuanian + Macedonian + Macedonian @ 1.818725
2 Balt + Croat + Macedonian + Russian-Upper-Volga @ 1.831697
3 Belarusian_West + Croat + Montenegrian + Russian_Vologda @ 1.852763
4 Macedonian + Russian_Vologda + Slovenian + Ukrainian_Center @ 1.858514
5 Lithuanian + Macedonian + Russian-Upper-Volga + Serb_Serbia @ 1.866008

Я, F297394, предки - русские Казани (до этого Самары, до этого Черниговщины), русские горожане Перми, донцы (Донецкий район ОВВД), поляки Минской области.

1 Russian_North @ 4.369812
2 Ukrainian_West @ 4.735921
3 Russian_Meshtchyora @ 5.252895
4 Russian-West @ 5.357456
5 Belarusian-East @ 5.581076
6 Kashub @ 5.583440
7 Russian-Upper-Volga @ 5.622303
8 Ukrainian_Center @ 5.755537
9 Russian_South @ 5.991616
10 Sorb @ 6.018469

1 Croat + Kashub + Russian-North + Russian-Upper-Volga @ 2.386152
2 Finnish-East + Pole + Russian_North + Serb_Serbia @ 2.395297
3 Croat + Finnish-East + Russian_North + Ukrainian_East @ 2.416867
4 Kashub + Russian-North + Russian-Upper-Volga + Serb_BH @ 2.438990
5 Finnish-East + Pole + Russian-Upper-Volga + Serb_Serbia @ 2.451968


Мой отец, F371483, предки - русские Казани (до этого Самары, до этого Черниговщины), русские горожане Перми:

1 Moksha @ 4.759285
2 Erzya @ 5.273737
3 Russian_Meshtchyora @ 5.651610
4 Russian_North @ 5.752035
5 Russian-Upper-Volga @ 5.892455
6 Russian-West @ 7.440149
7 Russian-Ural @ 7.586889
8 Ukrainian_West @ 7.677817
9 Mordovian @ 7.832917
10 Belarusian-East @ 8.121424

1 Chuvash + Don_cossack + Don_cossack + Slovenian @ 2.475564
2 Chuvashs + Kashub + Russian_North + Ukrainian_East @ 2.478542
3 Chuvash + Don_cossack + Don_cossack + Hungarian @ 2.489809
4 Belarusian_South + Chuvash + Croat_BH + Russian_North @ 2.498118
5 Don_cossack + Mari + Pole + Slovenian @ 2.516279

Все изменения в двух поколениях произошли в Перми.

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Re: Проект Magnus Ducatus Lituaniae
« Ответ #1259 : 21 Июнь 2017, 15:12:34 »
Цитировать
Я, F297394, предки - русские Казани (до этого Самары, до этого Черниговщины), русские горожане Перми, донцы (Донецкий район ОВВД), поляки Минской области.
Ага, ну все правильно, поэтому в K36 относительно не мало у вас западных компонентов с одной стороны, и не мало Сибири относительно в калькуляторах с другой))?

Хм, ну я не помню, выкладывал ли результаты, по 4 предкам что-то такое получается 23b:


Using 1 population approximation:
1 Sorb @ 3.239735
2 Ukrainian_Center @ 4.093634
3 Belarusian-East @ 4.150997
4 Ukrainian_East @ 4.228180
5 Kashub @ 4.362849
6 Russian-West @ 4.366116

1 Finnish_FIN + Pole + Pole + Slovenian @ 2.397303
2 Finnish_FIN + Hungarian + Pole + Pole @ 2.419118
3 Croat + Estonian + Estonian + Slovak @ 2.493596
4 Croat_BH + Finnish_FIN + Lithuanian + Sorb @ 2.494783
5 Croat + Finnish_FIN + Lithuanian + Sorb @ 2.499320
6 Croat_BH + Finnish_FIN + Kashub + Lithuanian @ 2.500484
« Последнее редактирование: 21 Июнь 2017, 15:24:06 от SSlava »

 

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