Русские G25

[grimsvotn]

Приветствую!
Конечно, нужны ваши координаты G25)

Добро, в скором времени пришлю

[Tora_sama]

Пожалуй выложу и свои, отец русский Михайловский и Ряжский районы Рязанской области (обе ветки как минимум на 150 лет местные), мама мокша Ковылкинского района Мордовии (обоим веткам примерно столько же сколько и по отцу, все местные из одного населённого пункта).
Tora_sama,0.124067,0.099522,0.071276,0.055233,0.022158,0.020638,0.014806,0.016153,0.000205,-0.024602,0.000487,-0.00015,0.02111,0.014175,-0.013165,0.002387,-0.000261,0.003041,0,0.002376,-0.005241,-0.007172,0.002465,-0.00494,-0.002634
К современным:

К древним:

Учитывая, что я принц-полукровка результаты впечатляющие, по древним расстояния дальние ибо нет нужных дДНК из центральной части России (кром, дьяковцы, вятичи, кривичи и т.д.) кроме более южного славянина Сунгирь-6. Да и в целом тенденция по древним понятна, практически все ближайшие семплы это древние славяне.
Важное уточнение, на вахадуо нет многих выборок, которые я использовал для себя, как для древних так и современных, так же по современным надо смотреть расстояния не дальше 0,3 ну край 0,35, по древним до 0,5 ибо они как правило далеко от современных людей, поэтому ставить по 80 семплов в количестве справа смысла 0. Использовал обобщённые, а не индивидуальные семплы, чтобы было нагляднее)

[Nicola_Canadian]

Russian Vulgaris, ну возможно дедушка/бабушка был латышом/латышкой. К древним расстояния довольно большие и славян полным полно, собственно как и у всех остальных славян, чьи результаты я видел.

Никаких дедушек/бабушек «латышей»  у меня естественно не было…
Также как и ближайших родичей из под Твери или Ярославля…

Этот калькулятор (как и любой другой этнокалькулятор) лишь проектирует людей на ортогональные компоненты… Так - как это видит автор калькулятора… Ни больше и не меньше…

Поэтому Deep Dive (с указанием общих сегментов с конкретными древними образцами) для меня лично более актуален…

[Tora_sama]

При таком случае возможны два расклада:
1)Метисация, например как у меня. Если популяции довольно далеки друг от друга изначально, то G25 выдаёт нечто среднее, но тут поможет только тест родителей на аутосомы, уже сталкивались с таким. Например отец понтийский грек из Трапезунда, мама русская из Удмуртии, а выдаёт то болгарина, то турка, а вот родителям 100% точно всё.
2)Банальное отсутствие необходимых региональных выборок, белорусов до сих пор всего 1 выборка, против 13 русских и 32 испанских. Кто платит больше всех, того и больше всех соответственно. Ну и надо учитывать, что допустим нет выборки русские Владимира и калькулятор будет выдавать их как смесь рязанцев и костромчан, пытаясь выйти из положения.

 

[Stanislav Vasilyev]

Мужская ветка из Пскова, женская из Костромы. Вот unscaled координаты.
StanislavVasilyev,0.0111,0.0107,0.0211,0.0209,0.0143,0.0077,0.0048,0.0067,-0.0012,-0.0169,-0.002,-0.0076,0.0139,0.0172,-0.0055,-0.0116,-0.0036,0.0038,0.0063,-0.0025,-0.0022,-0.0036,0.0085,0.0005,-0.0042

[Вадим Созинов]

Ну и надо учитывать, что допустим нет выборки русские Владимира и калькулятор будет выдавать их как смесь рязанцев и костромчан, пытаясь выйти из положения.

Только вот не костромчан, а костромичей!

[albino in the black]

Русский, предки отца из под Царицына, предки мамы из станицы Раздорской.
По официальной базе G25

Distance to:   VVasilchenko_scaled
0.02376762   Russian_Orel
0.02428416   Russian_Ryazan
0.02567470   Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.02656174   Cossack_Ukrainian
0.02671313   Russian_Kursk
0.02766421   Ukrainian_Sumy
0.02852559   Russian_Tver
0.02909454   Russian_Voronez
0.02941838   Russian_Belgorod
0.02945438   Russian_Smolensk
0.02999160   Russian_Kaluga
0.03009504   Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.03098900   Belarusian
0.03101897   Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.03111873   Russian_Yaroslavl
0.03145801   Moksha
0.03185234   Ukrainian_Rivne
0.03429015   Ukrainian_Lviv
0.03551633   Polish
0.03631019   Russian_Kostroma
0.03719632   Russian_Pskov
0.03782338   Moldovan_o
0.03793066   Erzya
0.03919753   Lithuanian_PA
0.04117785   Polish_Kashubian

[Georg]

Русский, предки отца из под Царицына, предки мамы из станицы Раздорской.
По официальной базе G25

Distance to:   VVasilchenko_scaled
0.02376762   Russian_Orel
0.02428416   Russian_Ryazan

Официальная база странная. С torasama точнее - у меня 0,01х даже были по областям. 0,02х далеко, такие можно и со средневековыми получить.

Ну и как всегда достоверность scaled (я конечно scaled тоже)

[albino in the black]

Сравнение тех, кто выкладывал в этой теме координаты, в современном довольно любопытном калькуляторе Беовульфа

Target: Andvari
Distance: 1.2516% / 0.01251598
78.2   Eastern_European
9.2   Scandinavia
6.2   Turkish_Caucasian_And_Iranian
3.2   Pakistani_And_Afghan
1.4   Central_Asian
1.2   Native_American
0.4   Central_African
0.2   Native_From_Siberia

Target: Ivan_scaled
Distance: 2.2475% / 0.02247473
84.0   Eastern_European
12.8   Greece_and_The_Balkan_Peninsula
2.2   Native_From_Siberia
0.6   Central_African
0.2   Native_American
0.2   Siberian_Eskimo

Target: RD_scaled
Distance: 1.6610% / 0.01660999
63.0   Eastern_European
23.6   Greece_and_The_Balkan_Peninsula
6.0   Great_Britain_&_Ireland(Irish)
3.8   Finnic
3.6   Ashkenazi

Target: Tora_sama
Distance: 1.4105% / 0.01410498
87.4   Eastern_European
4.6   Finnic
3.8   Native_From_Siberia
2.6   Egyptian_Levantine_Arabic
0.8   Greece_and_The_Balkan_Peninsula
0.6   Great_Britain_&_Ireland
0.2   West_Africa

Target: VVasilchenko_scaled
Distance: 1.9746% / 0.01974577
69.0   Eastern_European
23.0   Greece_and_The_Balkan_Peninsula
2.2   Central_Asian
2.0   Mongolian_And_North_Chinese
1.4   Gujarati_People
1.0   Finnic
0.8   Siberian_Eskimo
0.6   Native_From_Siberia

[albino in the black]

Официальная база странная. С torasama точнее - у меня 0,01х даже были по областям. 0,02х далеко, такие можно и со средневековыми получить.

Ну и как всегда достоверность scaled (я конечно scaled тоже)

В базе Tora_sama
Сильно улучшить расстояния не получается.

Distance to:   VVasilchenko_scaled
0.02232137   Ukrainian_Donetsk
0.02376762   Russian_Orel
0.02428416   Russian_Ryazan
0.02444190   Russian_RyazanSpassk
0.02533162   Russian_Tambov
0.02563506   Russian_Voronezh_North
0.02567470   Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.02583318   Russian_Samara
0.02594329   Russian_RyazanMikhailov
0.02656174   Cossack_Ukrainian
0.02671313   Russian_Kursk
0.02671931   Russian_RyazanKadom
0.02734961   Russian_NizhnyNovgorod
0.02766421   Ukrainian_Sumy
0.02826545   Russian_TverKashin
0.02830505   Russian_Moscow
0.02839416   Ukrainian_middleDnipro
0.02852559   Russian_Tver
0.02909454   Russian_Voronezh_Rep
0.02941838   Russian_Belgorod
0.02945438   Russian_Smolensk
0.02999160   Russian_Kaluga
0.03009504   Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.03020492   Belarusian_East
0.03051927   Belarusian

[Tora_sama]

Господа, дайте нам новые научные да хоть ненаучные образцы чистых представителей популяций и результаты сразу улучшаться. 2 года назад было 15 русских выборок (изначально их было вообще 7), сейчас есть 31 выборка. Украинцев в ру сегменте вообще не было координат (1 общая выборка), пока на Аджей я кипеша не навёл.
В общем хотите большего и более точного вы знаете, что делать)

[albino in the black]

Господа, дайте нам новые научные да хоть ненаучные образцы чистых представителей популяций и результаты сразу улучшаться. 2 года назад было 15 русских выборок (изначально их было вообще 7), сейчас есть 31 выборка. Украинцев в ру сегменте вообще не было координат (1 общая выборка), пока на Аджей я кипеша не навёл.
В общем хотите большего и более точного вы знаете, что делать)

К твоим выборкам претензий нет, база отличная. У меня индивидуальный случай, поэтому не получается добиться идеальных дистанций. 

[Tora_sama]

Все русские популяции, что у нас есть на данный момент:

Russian_Vladimir,0.129826,0.1117035,0.0765892,0.0689544,0.0318902,0.0229778,0.0104533,0.0142661,-0.0031046,-0.0269711,0.0020502,-0.0093059,0.0181056,0.0092322,-0.0118993,-0.0023393,0.0018657,-0.0019463,-0.0010801,-0.0008986,-0.0039902,0.0018172,0.004274,-0.0037624,-0.0008933
Russian_Moscow,0.132337,0.1154062,0.0770747,0.068239,0.0377892,0.0229611,0.0106225,0.0148607,-0.0009266,-0.0247931,-0.0007125,-0.0102363,0.0182538,0.0208948,-0.0138944,-0.0009787,0.0040001,-0.0012896,0.0021003,0.001089,-0.0046381,-0.0026274,0.0060603,-0.0043325,0.0003474
Russian_Samara,0.1286953,0.1118535,0.0713283,0.0637015,0.0305684,0.02303,0.0088892,0.0111832,-0.0043518,-0.0266363,-0.0012005,-0.0090816,0.0163612,0.0179513,-0.0106777,-0.0000928,0.0044391,-0.0010209,0.00146,0.001729,-0.0041491,-0.0026747,0.0065449,-0.0033722,-0.0001119
Russian_Zaoneje,0.1281276,0.0797343,0.090589,0.0814813,0.0225214,0.0220287,0.0114985,0.0167365,-0.0017429,-0.0333924,0.0079712,-0.0102351,0.0194586,0.0007608,-0.0093227,-0.0013239,0.0000235,-0.0016617,-0.001637,0.0022519,-0.0010255,0.0051083,0.0055303,-0.0016342,-0.0002274
Russian_NizhnyNovgorod,0.1303423,0.1091715,0.0749409,0.0689733,0.032872,0.0237395,0.0109929,0.0143796,-0.0028975,-0.0277563,0.0006341,-0.0101239,0.0191203,0.0159974,-0.0141026,-0.0009994,0.0044294,-0.0013247,0.0007566,0.0002739,-0.0050423,-0.0001622,0.0053679,-0.0028586,-0.001146
Russian_Voronezh_Rep,0.1308965,0.1216098,0.0735385,0.0608855,0.0360838,0.0225205,0.009694,0.011711,-0.0024542,-0.0240098,0.0008118,-0.0079052,0.017282,0.024359,-0.0136402,-0.0037125,0.0012385,0.0011085,0.0028285,0.0034392,-0.0023708,-0.0032148,0.0023725,-0.0050305,-0.0019758
Russian_Voronezh_North,0.1290756,0.1121146,0.06939,0.0612408,0.0324366,0.0243192,0.0085542,0.008446,-0.0039268,-0.0251486,-0.00354,-0.0103108,0.0162038,0.0193498,-0.0089848,-0.0008486,0.004485,-0.0015964,0.002866,0.0001,-0.0023708,-0.001657,0.0066552,-0.003687,0.0000958
Russian_Novgorod,0.1335032,0.1111881,0.0833127,0.0760889,0.0359381,0.0255993,0.0118841,0.0164520,-0.0021559,-0.0300786,0.0009578,-0.0108162,0.0206488,0.0168863,-0.0126800,-0.0007485,0.0029230,-0.0014557,0.0006617,0.0014963,-0.0038377,-0.0003092,0.0057940,-0.0040258,-0.0001530
Russian_Bryansk,0.1327594126050001,0.121998902107,0.07600406837679999,0.06736992395300016,0.039708374241199995,0.025281508545640007,0.010931545604000012,0.01391866038700006,-0.001904722613999885,-0.024710254710999822,-0.0029607795254959998,-0.009817040568000004,0.01764280210799999,0.02442904701200049,-0.011500389307999938,-0.000882475951999976,0.0036263135879998415,-0.0007716734529999167,0.001117263817999986,0.0015540995817999925,-0.0034161383830000076,-0.004152855958000019,0.0049280961089999634,-0.004665975230999942,0.000027458289999964317
Russian_RyazanKadom,0.12929139621300006,0.100550151573,0.07325213411039999,0.06908596205599978,0.03098136645839999,0.024697342145719996,0.008750267679000046,0.011839024762000206,-0.004655686128,-0.028571590267000006,-0.00012562565649199968,-0.00983873748099999,0.018293837497999992,0.015658123878999952,-0.011162792745000092,-0.0007035935739999799,0.0026067619009999435,-0.001424121050999975,0.0007249661899999717,0.0007564628673999987,-0.00448632993899972,-0.0010226351519998854,0.005698268741,-0.0034464449290000734,0.0001373867680003631
Russian_RyazanMikhailov,0.1263438,0.111099,0.0680324,0.0627912,0.0317596,0.0228132,0.007379,0.0096458,-0.0046632,-0.024456,0.0000972,-0.0083626,0.015193,0.0196526,-0.010695,-0.0031822,0.0074058,-0.0046114,-0.0009554,-0.0009254,-0.006713,-0.002572,0.006458,-0.0028438,0.0012694
Russian_RyazanSpassk,0.1287829,0.109242,0.0721379,0.0650153,0.0287966,0.022391,0.012825,0.0128566,-0.0028927,-0.0223371,0.0003016,-0.0086066,0.0167986,0.0221576,-0.0141536,-0.0012689,0.0056064,-0.0005249,0.0022627,0.0000534,-0.0045634,-0.003586,0.0039614,-0.0020827,-0.0010263
Russian_RyazanRyazhsk,0.13293349219700015,0.121295127345,0.0745378724506,0.064595905822,0.035568253098600004,0.023651243766899994,0.010380443051000016,0.013905803537999997,-0.0030632198589999673,-0.02264196008500008,-0.00010178524374800056,-0.006922815749000035,0.01420281250099998,0.007085489025000197,-0.007581843119000023,-0.0024543290879999458,0.00003795501199986562,-0.0015127476989999673,-0.0017622923120000035,-0.0020648725830000143,-0.0038934673980001583,0.0012782166439999562,0.0021983864969999803,-0.0015155878629999793,-0.001924773200000146
Russian_Tambov,0.1309282517470001,0.11396443899099998,0.0709982585402,0.06473533807399999,0.03227525666199997,0.023221495116840015,0.010652067718000039,0.014221713831000075,-0.0021262472670000444,-0.025081954602000026,-0.000017832393040000687,-0.009648273915000017,0.018054334313999984,0.01610265276199976,-0.013556129489000118,-0.002588507172999899,0.0036992907009999725,-0.0017968463990000903,-0.00019466181100005278,0.00019175422430000102,-0.0049630848979996655,-0.0006232517390002732,0.005092149027999961,-0.0046347961680000705,-0.0011936560340000647
Russian_TverKashin,0.129189,0.1053612,0.0780638,0.0651652,0.0296208,0.0241938,0.0081075,0.011942,-0.0036302,-0.0254675,0.0021922,-0.0099288,0.0173932,0.021263,-0.0120112,0.0008288,0.006128,0.001045,0.0005028,0.002814,-0.003494,-0.0041425,0.0073332,-0.0046692,-0.0014965
Russian_Perm,0.12546768677000006,0.07159584292699998,0.08244195780720003,0.07408674441999995,0.016903552407,0.020431463331160013,0.011686147687999996,0.01629237148700008,-0.003361139496999841,-0.03148255611399971,0.008062955575284001,-0.00955828821199995,0.019600208974999984,-0.0017226888719996038,-0.011373865900999838,-0.0029950820620000236,0.00019412163299993871,-0.001665603774000094,-0.0026779298549999817,-0.0014786862105999976,-0.002861183782000015,0.004580115984999907,0.00409537682299999,-0.0025750658250001035,-0.0017256840290003925
Russian_Vyatka,0.12633208009200006,0.08175209165000002,0.08363741261320001,0.07618230061299994,0.020802201448999996,0.021180988447660008,0.01064569810399993,0.015280784224000074,-0.004200620189000259,-0.03319993132099958,0.006543894209512,-0.010414509808000039,0.020711828066000013,0.001183515085000021,-0.012006631267999914,-0.0031390699620000217,0.0009241867460001406,-0.0019615013930000752,-0.0027888313440000067,-0.00035075693120000705,-0.0033532546429996075,0.004578470895000116,0.004251995797999996,-0.004244384627999882,-0.0013133291600001809
Russian_Belgorod,0.1354493,0.1221175,0.0695788,0.0566865,0.036853,0.019801,0.0119855,0.014134,-0.0043972,-0.0216862,-0.0020298,-0.0103035,0.0196975,0.0212972,-0.0130293,-0.0028838,0.005574,0.001077,0.0036138,0.0024075,-0.0037748,-0.0059045,0.005423,-0.006989,0.0009878
Russian_Kaluga,0.1320348,0.1180555,0.0774042,0.066215,0.03593,0.0239147,0.0060512,0.0136722,-0.0048065,-0.0235995,0.0009335,-0.011315,0.0194002,0.0254258,-0.0118078,-0.0046408,0.0013365,-0.003579,0.0006282,0.0054715,0.0003745,-0.001762,-0.0002465,-0.0061755,0.0006885
Russian_Kostroma,0.1282407,0.0873355,0.0814582,0.0680453,0.027441,0.0215208,0.0119073,0.0129993,-0.0033747,-0.0299475,0.0042222,-0.0074932,0.017963,0.0123402,-0.0091383,-0.0039112,0.0009127,-0.0016258,-0.0017597,0.0004792,6.23e-05,-0.0014427,0.0035947,-0.0006025,-0.0020557
Russian_Krasnoborsky,0.1278613,0.0766725,0.082715,0.0710062,0.0243633,0.0218465,0.0090872,0.0159993,0.0030337,-0.0290667,0.006333,-0.0108155,0.0194498,0.0119503,-0.0074643,-0.0025857,-0.000261,-0.0014357,-0.0008798,0.003731,0.002163,-0.001896,0.0023828,-0.0007228,-0.0005588
Russian_Kursk,0.1308964,0.1157701,0.0710872,0.0648019,0.0341601,0.023113,0.0103991,0.0121438,-0.0032469,-0.0255587,-0.0018066,-0.0080179,0.0183225,0.0206778,-0.0127748,0.0012101,0.0016136,-0.0008869,0.0023096,0.0012817,-0.002558,-0.0040188,0.0051146,-0.0058141,-0.0017214
Russian_Leshukonsky,0.1197416,0.043668,0.0909616,0.0796518,0.0096016,0.0161198,0.0137718,0.013753,-0.0021272,-0.035281,0.0133808,-0.0096814,0.0198906,0.00311,-0.0093374,-0.002148,-0.0002346,-0.0050168,-0.0058074,0.0004754,0.0026202,-0.0010884,-0.0002218,0.002193,0.0010298
Russian_Orel,0.1305861,0.1167859,0.0711387,0.0608121,0.0334886,0.0224127,0.0091653,0.0130274,-0.0047971,-0.0251321,-0.0017864,-0.0078475,0.0156365,0.0247095,-0.0115855,-0.0034354,-0.0003911,-0.0011862,0.0027882,0.0011938,-0.0037547,-0.0044065,0.0074172,-0.0055976,-0.0009906
Russian_Pinega,0.1248257,0.0636397,0.0945317,0.07752,0.02185,0.023241,0.0118287,0.0146147,0.0013637,-0.0311623,0.007091,-0.0119397,0.0239343,0.011331,-0.0102243,-0.0037567,-0.0039987,-0.0022803,-0.0051957,-0.001042,0.0076117,-0.0001233,0.0019717,-0.0024097,0.0020753
Russian_Pinezhsky,0.1240672,0.0625564,0.0922436,0.0802332,0.0189572,0.0216418,0.0082252,0.0146762,9e-04,-0.0323286,0.0090614,-0.016785,0.0205152,0.00567,-0.011645,-0.0029966,0.0019298,-0.0025084,0.0007794,0.005903,0.0083604,0.0008656,-0.0001972,0.0022172,0.0052926
Russian_Pskov,0.1299207,0.1192521,0.0805959,0.0747053,0.0381609,0.0255783,0.0118847,0.0148676,0.0002339,-0.0294961,4.64e-05,-0.013124,0.0191347,0.02605,-0.0072126,0.000322,0.0057743,-0.0042713,0.0001974,0.003162,-0.0022817,-0.0041336,0.0043666,-0.008366,0.0016421
Russian_Ryazan,0.1277666,0.1100158,0.0704272,0.0640886,0.0300312,0.0225669,0.0105558,0.0115188,-0.0036304,-0.02322,0.0002164,-0.0085049,0.0161296,0.0211138,-0.0127125,-0.0020661,0.0063562,-0.0022276,0.0009218,-0.0003544,-0.0054591,-0.0031635,0.0050017,-0.0023998,-6.98e-05
Russian_Smolensk,0.1321866,0.1242332,0.0715021,0.0654613,0.0393098,0.0252119,0.0112963,0.0128609,-0.0008043,-0.0248328,-0.0043845,-0.0082727,0.0169473,0.0282951,-0.0114004,-0.0060019,-0.0011734,-0.0019847,0.0029749,0.001951,-0.0025871,-0.0048471,0.0049217,-0.0059365,0.0017243
Russian_Tver,0.1296159,0.105869,0.0766026,0.0672244,0.0324289,0.0251699,0.009312,0.0125765,-0.0042438,-0.0264926,0.0009541,-0.0096478,0.0168171,0.0219511,-0.010162,0.0018729,0.0061605,-0.000206,-0.0001885,0.0021885,-0.0032286,-0.0048379,0.0087042,-0.0032685,-0.002305
Russian_Yaroslavl,0.1308963,0.1056153,0.0817097,0.0732133,0.0315953,0.0195223,0.0108887,0.0069997,-0.001159,-0.027457,-0.0004327,-0.0091417,0.016303,0.021882,-0.014115,-0.0017233,0.0043463,-0.0002113,0.0005447,0.0042103,-0.0065713,-0.0039567,-0.000986,-0.0014057,0.0025547