Работа Б.Малярчука и др. по гаплогруппе С (2010)

[sahaliyan]

One of my friends' views,I don't agree with him,but want to share with you
http://dna-forums.com/index.php?/topic/12854-kz-dna/page__st__60
hi, forum, I'm from Inner Mongolia, my guess for hg c3c and its sub-branches is that:

1) I guess Hg C3c-M48 was originated from west of lake Baikal over 10,000 BP, but this haplogroup seems to experience a strong population bottleneck untill its sub-branch Hg C3c-M86 was born about 4000-5000 BP.

2) STR Halpogroup C3c-DYS19 Duplicated is among Turkic Hazakhs and Mongolian tribes such as Kalmyks, Urianghai with some Turkic background, I believe the Halpogrounp was carried by proto-Turkic group from south Siberia such as the earliest Turkic group Dingling recorded by Chinese.

3) STR Halpogroup C3c- 1 cluster is among evenki and other Tungus groups while C3c 2-6 cluster among evens was seperated from 1 cluster, while C3c-Manchu cluster was among the Tungus groups from Manchuria and part of Mongols. the halpogroup probably links to the Mohe's north branches recorded by Chinese.

Phylogeography of the Y-chromosome haplogroup C in northern Eurasia, 2010

full paper required? email me here: yungsiyebu@gmail.com

Yungsiyebu

привет, форум, я из Внутренней Монголии, что я думаю по рт.ст. C3c и его отделения в том, что:

1) Я думаю, Hg C3c-M48 была возникла из западу от озера Байкал в течение 10000 BP, но эта гаплогруппа кажется, опыт сильных узкое населения до ее отделение C3c Hg-М86 родился около 4000-5000 ВР.

2) STR Halpogroup C3c-DYS19 дублируются среди тюркских и монгольских Hazakhs такие племена, как калмыки, Urianghai с некоторыми тюркскими фона, я считаю, Halpogrounp было принято прото-тюркских групп с юга Сибири, таких как ранние тюркские группы Динлины зарегистрированы китайцами.

3) STR Halpogroup C3c-1 кластер среди эвенков и других групп, в то время как Тунгусский C3c 2-6 кластера среди эвенов была отделена от 1 кластера, в то время C3c-маньчжурская группа была одной из групп Тунгусского из Маньчжурии и части монголов. halpogroup, вероятно, ссылки на Mohe северо отраслей зарегистрированы китайцами.

Phylogeography от C Y-хромосомы гаплогруппы в северной части Евразии, 2010

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[sahaliyan]

Вики пишет, что монголы доходили до Камбоджи.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_Empire
At its greatest extent it stretched from the Danube to the Sea of Japan and from northern Siberia to Camboja, covering over 24,000,000 km2 (9,266,000 sq mi),[1]

Может быть и N там просто недотипированные?

Because I'm very interested in Mongolian history,so I searched every books of them I can found.As far as I know,the Mongols never reached Cambodia,they even failed in Vietnam,people should know the Mongols are also humans,the Southeast Asia is too hot to them

More things support my opinion
http://www.ysearch.org/search_view.asp?uid=3atap&viewuid=3ATAP&p=0
http://www.facebook.com/posted.php?id=6560069156
Hello. I did my test with the National Genographic Project and am a confirmed C3 (M217+). Interestingly I'm originally from Indonesia. I'm not exactly sure how my ancestors got there but I know that we've considered ourselves ethnically Chinese. According to ySearch.org my closest relative is someone from Kazakhstan.

[sahaliyan]

more
http://www.elim.kz/forum/index.php?showtopic=2813&st=180
Из БД Elim.KZ наиболее близкие генеалогические родственники Steven Pranoto -Indonesia :

15 23 16 10 11 18 11 13 11 13 11 29:C*->C-M216->naiman->semiz naiman->akshataulyk tolen->Daniyar Kasabulatov KZ->kazak ->KZ
15 23 15 10 11 17 11 12 12 14 11 29:C3->C-M217->kendu-kimga->Sergei Kim KZ->korean->KZ->Ysearch.org -> Z7XQJ
14 23 16 9_ 11 19 11 12 12 14 11 29:C3->konyrat- Konyrat-1->kazak->KZ
14 23 16 10 11 19 11 12 12 13 11 28 :С* ->С-М216->dulat->shymyr->shokai-> Yerkebulan Shynaliyev KZ->kazak->KZ
14 23 17 10 11 19 11 12 13 14 11 29:С3-> Steven Pranoto -> China-> Indonesia .
14 23 16 10 10 17 11 13 11 13 11 31 :C3->Dongnae in Gyeongsang-do-> Korea->Chong-sik Lee ->korean-> Ysearch.org -> 6UPP9
14 23 15 10 11 17 11 12 13 13 11 _ :C3 ->Munkho Balaganov->Bato Balaganov->Khilgana, Russia->2SENC
14 25 15 11 11 13 11 13 13 13 11 30 :C3->Julian Trevino->Mexico -> Ysearch.org ->RCJBN
15 24 16 10 12 15 11 13 11 13 11 29 : C3->Saga-> Taichi Ogawa(1880 -1920) -> Japan

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13 25 16 10 12 13 11 14 10 13 11 29 :C3->Sabaz Shahar, Uzbekistan->Amir Timur (1327-1404 )->UZ->Ysearch.org -> YYU83
13 25 16 10 12 13 11 14 10 13 11 29 :C3 ->Poltava->Gleb Kondratyev -> Ukraine ->Ysearch.org -> E5X3S
13 25 17 11 12 12 11 14 10 13 11 29 :C3->Istensegits, Bukovina->Samuel Papp(1749 -1805)->Hungary->Ysearch.org ->PFJW3
13 24 15 10 12 15 11 13 11 13 11 29 :C3->Alexander Sasinoski->Poland ->Ysearch.org -> DSG9V

13 24 17 10 10 12 11 15 11 13 11 29 :C3 ->Fumiaki Tanaka->Japan -> Ysearch.org -> RAVX3
13 24 16 10 12 18 11 13 11 13 11 29 :C3->Batanggas, Philippines ->Engracio Ilag(1880)-> L. Ilag -> Ysearch.org ->
13 25 15 11 13 13 11 14 12 14 11 31 :C3(M216)->Panyu-> Yew (Yao) Chung (Chong)-> China-> Ysearch.org -> P5PKZ


13 24 15 9 12 15 11 13 11 14 11 30 :С3->manap->Kyrgyzstan->KG->Ysearch.org -> P2X5V
12 23 15 9 12 15 11 13 11 13 11 29 :C3-> Chamita, New Mexico, USA-> Jose De Herrera (1845-1899)->Fidel M. Herrera->Ysearch.org ->BNN7P


12 24 16 9 12 14 11 13 12 14 11 30 18 8 8 11 12 30 14 19 27 11 13 13 16 10 10 22 22 15 15 16 19 36 39 11 10 :C3->HIDDEN->Henry Koonce->Carrol Campbell ->Ysearch.org -> SHWU2
12 25 16 9 11 14 11 13 11 14 11 30 17 8 8 11 12 30 14 19 27 11 13 13 13 10 10 22 22 15 16 17 19 36 37 11 10 :C3->Germany->Johann Hans Martin(1588) ->HIDDEN->Ysearch.org ->petcd
12 24 16 9 11 14 11 13 11 14 11 30 17 8 8 11 12 30 14 19 27 11 13 13 16 10 10 22 22 15 16 16 19 35 38 11 10 :C3->George W. Stout(1818)->Rex Stout ->Ysearch.org ->7TZJ5
12 24 16 9 11 14 11 13 11 14 11 30 17 8 8 11 12 29 14 19 27 11 13 13 16 10 10 22 22 15 16 16 19 35 38 11 10 :C3->HIDDEN(?)->Aaron Stout(1791 1848)->USA->
12 23 16 9 15 15 11 13 11 13 11 29 18 8 8 11 12 28 14 21 29 11 12 12 17 11 10 21 23 15 16 17 16 34 36 12 10 :C3->Ontario, Canada ->Jacob King(1790)->Victor Dean King->Ojibwa -Mohawk->95ZQK
13 23 15 9 15 15 11 13 11 12 11 28 18 8 8 11 12 28 14 20 28 11 12 12 17:C3->South Carolina, USA ->John Bowen(1815 -1863)->Mark W Bowen ->5D2BH
12 24 17 9 11 12 11 14 12 14 11 31 17 8 8 11 12 28 14 20 28 12 12 16 16 :C3->Northern California (Lower Klamath River),America ->Skow(1845 - 1875)->Richard Blake ->Native American -> CC7SD
13 23 15 9 15 15 11 13 11 13 11 29 :C3->Esmont, America ->Edward Robinson(Bolling Robinson)->Joseph B. Martin ->USA->Ysearch.org -> DY74F
15 24 16 10 12 15 11 13 11 13 11 29 : C3->Saga->HIDDEN(?)-> Taichi Ogawa(1880 -1920) -> Japan
13 24 15 10 12 15 11 13 12 13 11 29 :C3->Ro??nov-> Mikolas Kempny->Leo Divin->Czech Republic->Ysearch.org -> YVN6R

[Valikhan]

Вики пишет, что монголы доходили до Камбоджи.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_Empire
At its greatest extent it stretched from the Danube to the Sea of Japan and from northern Siberia to Camboja, covering over 24,000,000 km2 (9,266,000 sq mi),[1]

Может быть и N там просто недотипированные?

Because I'm very interested in Mongolian history,so I searched every books of them I can found.As far as I know,the Mongols never reached Cambodia,they even failed in Vietnam,people should know the Mongols are also humans,the Southeast Asia is too hot to them

Ok, so you have a chance to make a correction in Wiki.
btw, did you note that C3c is very common in Manchu speaking populations?

[sahaliyan]

Вики пишет, что монголы доходили до Камбоджи.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_Empire
At its greatest extent it stretched from the Danube to the Sea of Japan and from northern Siberia to Camboja, covering over 24,000,000 km2 (9,266,000 sq mi),[1]

Может быть и N там просто недотипированные?

Because I'm very interested in Mongolian history,so I searched every books of them I can found.As far as I know,the Mongols never reached Cambodia,they even failed in Vietnam,people should know the Mongols are also humans,the Southeast Asia is too hot to them

did you note that C3c is very common in Manchu speaking populations?

The C3c is rare in Manchu speaking populations(Manchus,Xibes and Hezhens),but dominant in Northern Tungusic people

[Nimissin]

The C3c is rare in Manchu speaking populations(Manchus,Xibes and Hezhens),but dominant in Northern Tungusic people

You are completely right