Ранняя история прото-армян

[Asmat headhunter]

Очевидно, создатели КЦ лично общались с Навуходоносором, причем по-армянски.

Что-то у меня завертелась мысль: а с Гильгамешем по-армянски никто не говорил?
Какие там вообще самые достоверные следы армянского языка до Месропа?

[Allan]

И было бы неплохо увидеть факты языкового субстрата из указанных языков в восточногрузинских идиомах.

В последней работе по дДнк Грузии видно что предки современных и средневековых Грузин  (Анатолия+Кавказ) полностью похожи на "Южный" кластер. Поэтому и не должно быть в Грузинском никаких вкраплений от "местных" (Местные=Кавказский+Степной) эпохи поздней Бронзы и раннего железа, ведь их предки с местными не смешивались , Грузины почти полностью из Анатолии(Северо-Восточной Анатолии) по набору аутосом.

Интересными так же в этом случае могут быть Среднея Бронза и эпоха Железа(но не раннея) которые микс Халколита Ирана и Степи. Кто это? Сначала Иранцы и потом северные Иранцы?

https://forum.molgen.org/index.php/topic,15463.msg597057.html#msg597057

[Kambic]

И было бы неплохо увидеть факты языкового субстрата из указанных языков в восточногрузинских идиомах.

В последней работе по дДнк Грузии видно что предки современных и средневековых Грузин  (Анатолия+Кавказ) полностью похожи на "Южный" кластер. Поэтому и не должно быть в Грузинском никаких вкраплений от "местных" (Местные=Кавказский+Степной) эпохи поздней Бронзы и раннего железа, ведь их предки с местными не смешивались , Грузины почти полностью из Анатолии(Северо-Восточной Анатолии) по набору аутосом.
Интересными так же в этом случае могут быть Среднея Бронза и эпоха Железа(но не раннея) которые микс Халколита Ирана и Степи. Кто это? Сначала Иранцы и потом северные Иранцы?
https://forum.molgen.org/index.php/topic,15463.msg597057.html#msg597057

вот заливает)
https://forum.molgen.org/index.php/topic,15463.msg596726.html#msg596726
https://forum.molgen.org/index.php/topic,15463.msg596742.html#msg596742
https://forum.molgen.org/index.php/topic,15463.msg597025.html#msg597025
https://forum.molgen.org/index.php/topic,15463.msg597030.html#msg597030
https://forum.molgen.org/index.php/topic,15463.msg597069.html#msg597069
Давид, может хватит уже валять дурака? Уже пять раз написал про этот "южный класстер". В статье пишут про "греков" пришедших в Грузию, а у Давида опять всё в точности наоборот: грузины пришли из Греции?

[Allan]

Бердзени(Элинизированое Картлийское племя позже экзоним Греков) и река Ариан откуда пришли Грузины/Ариан-Картлийцы это в одном и том же регионе это юг и к югу от Аджарии.

Южный кластер вместе с современными  Грузинами на севере Анатолийского кластера так какие Греки?

Понтийцы-Греки не отличаются от Картвел генетически.
В эпоху Византии , Понтийцы заселяли некоторые места Греции, это задокументированно,  особенно остров Крит, например.
И после войны Понтийцы прибыли в Грецию век тому назад, сейчас молодёжь например Салоников это в основном Понтийцы Цыгане и Албанцы

[Gorr]

флуд...

Кто из них кто ?

TRB011  Taribana, Kakheti W3b    E           Early Bronze Age                                 J1a2b~
TRB006  Taribana, Kakheti H13a1a1   E   Early Bronze Age                                 J1a2b~
TRB010 Taribana, Kakheti H13a1a2   E   Early Bronze Age                                 J1a2b1b2~


ATK005 Atskuri T2a3    M                             Middle Bronze Age                         G2a2b2a
ATK003  Atskuri T2h    M                          Middle Bronze Age                         G2a2b2a1a1a1b2
ATK004  Atskuri U2d    M                           Middle Bronze Age                         G2a2b2a1a1a1b
ATK006  Atskuri U2d    M                           Middle Bronze Age                         G2a2b2a
ATK001 Atskuri H13a2b2    M                   Middle Bronze Age                            G2a2b2a

AVR001 Alaverdi, Telavi, Kakheti H2    E     Middle Bronze Age                                 R1b1a1b
AVR002  Alaverdi, Telavi, Kakheti U4b3    E   Middle Bronze Age                                 J1a2b1b2~ 
TSG001  Tsaghvli, Khashuri W3a1    M   Middle Bronze Age                                I2a2b~
TSG002 Tsaghvli, Khashuri U2e1b    E   Middle Bronze Age                                  I2a2b~
MRA001 Murakebi, Kakheti T2h    E           Late Bronze Age                                 T1a1a
TSV001 Tserovani T2    E                           Late Bronze Age                                 I2a2b
TSV002  Tserovani H2b    E                           Late Bronze Age                                 I2a2
TSV005 Tserovani K1a17   E                   Late Bronze Age                                 I2a2b
TSV007 Tserovani K1b1    E                   Late Bronze Age                                 J2a1
TSV008  Tserovani T1a1+@152    E           Late Bronze Age                             G2a1a1a
TSV009  Tserovani U8b1a1    E                   Late Bronze Age                                I2a2b~
TSV014 Tserovani U1a    E                           Late Bronze Age                               R1b1a1b1b1[L584]
TSV015  Tserovani U3b    E                           Late Bronze Age                               I2a2b
DDN005 Didnauri, Kakheti H29    E           Late Bronze Age                                R1b1a1b
TRL002  Treli U3b                                  Late Bronze Age                               I2a2b1
TRL005  Treli U5b2a1a+16311              Late Bronze Age                               I2a2b~
SAP004 Sapar-Kharaba, Tsalka H87    M   Late Bronze Age                                R1b1a1b
SAP011 Sapar-Kharaba, Tsalka H15b    М   Late Bronze Age                                I2a2b1
DDN006  Didnauri, Kakheti I5c    E           Late Bronze-Early Iron Age                   R1b1a1b1b1[l584]
DDN002 Didnauri, Kakheti U3b    E           Late Bronze-Early Iron Age                R1b1a1b
BZT001  Bazaleti, Dusheti T1a5    E           Early Iron Age                                         J2a1a
BZT002 Bazaleti, Dusheti H    E                   Early Iron Age                                  J2a1a1a2b2a
KTR001  Kistauri U5a1b1    E                   Early Iron Age                                       I2a2b~
AHI001 Arboshiki J1b3b    E                           Early Iron Age                                     I2a2b

[Kambic]

флуд...

Кто из них кто ?
 

?
Давид же тупит топит про южный класстер, где  наш DZN011   Early Middle Ages   Dzinvali   X2d   R1b1a1b1b3a1a1[CTS9219]?
Если и в LBA западной Грузиии также найдут только I2 +R1b, то все они не древние греки, а иберокавказцы,баскокартвелы,алуанк вообщем "немцы")

[Gorr]

флуд...

Кто из них кто ?
 

?
....

флудить не надо.
Есть по сути что сказать?

[Gorr]

J1a2b~ =J-Z1828 https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z1828/
J1a2b1b2=J-CTS1460 https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-CTS1460/

R1b1a1b=R-M269  https://www.yfull.com/arch-3.13/tree/R-M269/
R1b1a1b1b1[L584]  https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-L584*/

I2a2
I2a2b = Y16419.  https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Y16419/
I2a2b1 -Y273482 https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Y273482/

[Kambic]

флуд...

Кто из них кто ?
 

где  наш DZN011   Early Middle Ages   Dzinvali   X2d   R1b1a1b1b3a1a1[CTS9219]?....

флудить не надо.
Есть по сути что сказать?

Ещё полвека назад в этом могильнике Чхеидзе и Николаешвили нашли Диониса, но промолчали. Если бы какой то интурист случайно не увидел, то никто бы и не узнал.

R1b1a1b=R-M269  https://www.yfull.com/arch-3.13/tree/R-M269/
R1b1a1b1b1[L584]  https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-L584*/
I2a2b = Y16419.  https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Y16419/
I2a2b1 -Y273482 https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Y273482/

Древние северокавказские мигранты на юг, некоторые образцы недотипированы .

[Gorr]

R1b1a1b=R-M269  https://www.yfull.com/arch-3.13/tree/R-M269/
R1b1a1b1b1[L584]  https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-L584*/
I2a2b = Y16419.  https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Y16419/
I2a2b1 -Y273482 https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Y273482/

Древние северокавказские мигранты на юг, некоторые образцы недотипированы .

И где вы по этим веткам увидели "северокавказцвев"?

[Gorr]

флуд...

Кто из них кто ?
 

где  наш DZN011   Early Middle Ages   Dzinvali   X2d   R1b1a1b1b3a1a1[CTS9219]?....

флудить не надо.
Есть по сути что сказать?

Ещё полвека назад в этом могильнике Чхеидзе и Николаешвили нашли Диониса, но промолчали. Если бы какой то интурист случайно не увидел, то никто бы и не узнал.

это(Early Middle Ages Дионис) должно что то означать  или опять флудите ?

[Gorr]

Если не устраивют ответы, то можете  и не спрашивать, вы вольны для своих интерпритаций.

флуд не ответ.

[Kambic]

хах) прошу верить, что у меня нет желания обидеть вас©

целенаправленно искали чеченцев и не нашли.)))
отсюдо и звездочки на уровне Z1828 и даже  Z2215

все ниже  опять для поиска чеченцев и опять мимо.
 
Кто эти умные ученые?
Лучше бы сначало на TMRCA смотрели...

[Andvari]

Код: [Выделить]

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MK5:MK5014,0.122929,0.119832,0.039975,0.098515,-0.029544,0.044344,-0.013396,0.007615,-0.056653,-0.070161,0.019974,0.006894,-0.012339,-0.018029,0.033251,0.001856,0.002608,-0.004561,0.006411,0.004377,-0.016221,0.002102,0.010353,0.031571,-0.007424
PUT001:PUT001,0.10927,0.105615,-0.016216,0.033269,-0.044624,0.019243,0.00658,-0.005769,-0.066879,-0.048475,0.000974,0.004496,-0.009514,-0.017891,0.023344,0.013789,-0.005476,-0.002407,0.002765,0.007253,-0.004617,0.005441,0.005176,-0.004097,0
Russia_Caucasus_EBA_Yamnaya:KNK001,0.119514,0.083273,0.065996,0.125002,-0.025851,0.04267,0,0.004154,-0.044382,-0.061778,0.009743,-0.006145,0.007433,-0.025735,0.033794,0.018563,0.00665,-0.008361,0.006034,0.020385,-0.003244,0.003833,0.001602,0.003494,-0.004191
Russia_Caucasus_EBA_Yamnaya:KNK002,0.121791,0.080227,0.033564,0.128232,-0.027697,0.048527,0.005405,-0.006231,-0.065652,-0.06925,-0.002273,0.006145,0.009068,-0.025323,0.039902,0.014585,0.001956,0.000507,-0.002263,0.001376,-0.008735,-0.000124,0.011955,0.020364,0.007185
Russia_Caucasus_EBA_Yamnaya:KNK005,0.124067,0.084289,0.038466,0.111436,-0.0397,0.039045,0.00282,-0.008538,-0.062993,-0.072712,0.001624,0.003147,-0.005946,-0.020643,0.031759,0.019888,0.004824,0.002154,-0.001885,0.004502,-0.014849,0.000989,0.006409,0.022292,-0.008502
Russia_Caucasus_EBA_Yamnaya:KNK007,0.119514,0.08632,0.033564,0.112082,-0.046778,0.046575,0.001645,-0.002308,-0.061562,-0.068703,0.003735,0.011989,-0.009366,-0.022157,0.02918,0.017104,0.003651,-0.00228,-0.005656,0.003001,-0.00836,0.006059,0.011955,0.019159,-0.014011
Russia_Caucasus_EBA_Yamnaya:VGD001,0.10927,0.09546,0.043746,0.106914,-0.016926,0.040439,-0.007755,0.003461,-0.055835,-0.073623,-0.000325,0.001798,0.007284,-0.017203,0.034202,0.012331,0.015646,-0.00038,0.010307,0.012256,-0.00574,0.001855,0.005546,0.00482,-0.001796
Russia_Caucasus_Ginchi_KuraAraxes:GIN002,0.101303,0.118817,-0.053174,-0.007106,-0.057549,0.01004,0.010575,-0.001154,-0.082014,-0.044101,0.007957,0.009292,-0.020664,-0.01445,0.010722,0.002519,0.006128,-0.00114,-0.00993,0.005127,0.001872,-0.00779,0.005793,-0.00964,-0.000359
Russia_Caucasus_Ginchi_KuraAraxes:GIN003,0.112685,0.119832,-0.051666,0.005814,-0.056626,0.021475,0.009635,-0.009461,-0.050722,-0.038452,-0.001137,0.001649,-0.010852,0.00234,0.013843,-0.008884,0.013951,-0.005954,-0.006285,0.013131,0.005116,0.001607,-0.006532,-0.001687,0.006347
Russia_Caucasus_Ginchi_KuraAraxes:GIN006,0.108132,0.122879,-0.080327,-0.023256,-0.060011,-0.00753,0.01081,-0.013384,-0.085491,-0.036994,-0.002111,0.012139,-0.022596,-0.001101,0.010179,-0.010607,0.001565,-0.006841,-0.005028,-0.005127,-0.00025,-0.004946,0.007395,-0.009278,-0.003113
Russia_Caucasus_Ginchi_KuraAraxes:GTK001,0.100164,0.119832,-0.072784,-0.014858,-0.06832,0.008925,0.012691,-0.002538,-0.074651,-0.032256,0.003248,0.014087,-0.017542,-0.01156,0.0095,0.010475,0.019036,-0.002534,-0.001383,0.008004,0.010981,-0.005564,0.002958,-0.001928,0.006586
Russia_Caucasus_LateMaikop:ESY005,0.103579,0.126941,-0.059208,-0.045543,-0.042162,-0.001394,0.00705,-0.007384,-0.056244,-0.023326,0.001461,0.006145,-0.017691,-0.001927,0.002986,-0.004906,0.017341,-0.003547,-0.010433,0.019134,0.005366,-0.004946,-0.005423,0.002892,-0.004071
Russia_Caucasus_LateMaikop:KMM008,0.101303,0.129988,-0.063733,-0.039406,-0.042162,-0.006972,0.00799,-0.000692,-0.051949,-0.023691,-0.006983,0.007044,-0.017096,0.004542,0.006107,-0.004641,0.002347,-0.005954,-0.003017,-0.000125,0.001872,-0.007914,-0.006162,-0.004699,0.002395
Russia_Caucasus_Maikop:ESY001,0.086506,0.122879,-0.056945,-0.024548,-0.040315,-0.009203,0.00564,-0.011076,-0.045609,-0.014943,0.018512,0.000899,-0.001635,0.00234,0.007329,0.007292,0.008866,-0.006208,0.000754,-0.006378,0.006863,-0.001113,0.007641,-0.004579,-0.002036
Russia_Caucasus_Maikop:ESY002,0.083091,0.117801,-0.063733,-0.024548,-0.040931,-0.009761,0.005405,-0.001385,-0.041314,-0.020228,0.011042,0.005845,-0.002379,-0.003853,0.004614,0.006099,0.006519,-0.00228,0.000377,-0.006378,0.001497,0.012736,-0.00456,-0.00482,0.002155
Russia_Caucasus_Maikop:ESY003,0.094473,0.128972,-0.069767,-0.048127,-0.033545,-0.008367,0.00188,-0.005077,-0.041723,-0.013303,0.006983,0.004646,-0.011893,0.009771,0.001357,-0.001989,0.010561,-0.002027,-0.005028,0.007629,0.005615,0.004081,-0.008134,-0.008194,-0.006347
Russia_Caucasus_Maikop:ESY004,0.092197,0.125926,-0.063356,-0.052003,-0.031083,-0.006693,0.009165,-0.007846,-0.043973,-0.008383,0.001786,0.003747,-0.016055,0.006331,0.0038,-0.01538,0.009388,0.000253,-0.003897,0.000875,0.003993,0.002473,-0.017871,-0.006989,-0.01449
Russia_Caucasus_Maikop:VIN001,0.100164,0.139128,-0.049026,-0.033269,-0.045855,-0.003347,0.005875,-0.006,-0.055221,-0.01221,0.003897,-3e-04,-0.019177,0.004404,-0.003122,-0.007425,0.034291,-0.014316,-0.012821,0.011005,0.007986,-0.003957,0.004314,0.008917,-0.003473
Russia_Caucasus_Maikop:VS5001,0.100164,0.125926,-0.054305,-0.031008,-0.036622,-0.003904,0.00282,-0.002769,-0.048268,-0.014397,-0.00341,0.007343,-0.012042,-0.004542,0.001221,-0.000265,0.027772,-0.006968,-0.012067,0.013006,0.012977,0.005193,0.004683,-0.00494,-0.00491
Russia_Kurganniy_BA:KUG006,0.097888,0.090382,0.038843,0.112405,-0.022158,0.040718,0.00188,0.010846,-0.056858,-0.071801,-0.004547,-0.001199,0.004757,-0.026974,0.035423,0.004375,-0.008996,0.008615,0.002514,0.007253,-0.002371,-0.000866,0.005423,0.011929,0.001676
Russia_Kurganniy_LateC:KUG005,0.097888,0.062963,0.001508,0.069122,-0.039392,0.030399,-0.018331,-0.014999,-0.040905,-0.05376,0.00341,-0.002098,-0.00669,-0.041149,0.017372,0.023999,-0.001825,0.004941,0.016844,0.006378,-0.002995,0.006925,0.013064,0.002048,0.00012
Russia_Lower_Don_LateEneolithic:KST001,0.104717,0.087336,0.050157,0.101745,-0.029852,0.03765,0.009165,-0.000692,-0.053381,-0.073259,0.005034,0.003597,0.001189,-0.022983,0.041666,0.0118,-0.001695,0.003547,0.020614,0.009755,0.003743,-0.015209,0.011462,0.018798,0.003592
Russia_MLBA_Srubnaya_Alakul:KVO013,0.10927,0.106631,0.046763,0.089794,0.002154,0.028168,-0.00188,0.000231,-0.033951,-0.046288,0.000162,0.006594,0.000149,-0.024634,0.03583,0.011668,-0.012386,-0.001014,-0.002514,0.00075,0.000125,0.007296,0.006655,0.017713,0.010658
Russia_Nalchik_Eneolithic:NCK001,0.102441,0.108662,-0.024513,0.036499,-0.040315,0.018965,0.007755,-0.002538,-0.058903,-0.048657,0.001786,0.006294,-0.015312,-0.010872,0.016015,-0.006232,-0.003912,-0.002787,-0.00176,0.000375,0.011979,-0.006059,0.011462,0.001205,-0.003113
Russia_Nalchik_Eneolithic_low_res:NCK002,0.081953,0.089367,-0.037335,0.012597,-0.032621,0.023148,0.011281,-0.011999,-0.053585,-0.007836,0.008444,0.006894,-0.017839,-0.006744,0.019951,0.001193,0.010952,-0.005954,0.005656,0.013381,0.006489,0.012613,0.000246,-0.008435,0.013292
Russia_North_Caucasus_BA:KMM001,0.112685,0.08632,0.038843,0.108206,-0.03416,0.044901,0.000235,-0.005077,-0.052972,-0.080366,0.016888,0.001349,-0.003865,-0.020919,0.031759,0.022805,0.00352,0.007728,-0.004902,0.009505,-0.006988,0.006059,0.002835,0.018557,-0.001916
Russia_North_Caucasus_BA:KMM002,0.120652,0.084289,0.046009,0.117896,-0.031698,0.040718,0.002585,-0.014769,-0.063607,-0.073623,-0.003085,0.001349,0.000446,-0.024497,0.040445,0.025457,-0.002738,-0.000253,0.004777,0.023511,-0.000749,0.010263,0.011339,0.031209,0.002634
Russia_North_Caucasus_BA:KMM003,0.106994,0.087336,0.022627,0.108206,-0.02739,0.036535,0.008695,-0.003461,-0.051745,-0.0636,-0.008769,-0.007343,0.001784,-0.026148,0.045466,0.015115,0.004694,-0.012289,-0.008925,0.01063,-0.008235,0.00507,0.002095,0.019521,-0.006706
Russia_North_Caucasus_BA:KMM023,0.101303,0.132019,-0.056191,-0.035853,-0.037238,-0.015618,0.00094,-0.009,-0.049495,-0.012574,-0.006171,0.005395,-0.014717,-0.003028,-0.007193,0.001724,0.007302,0.002914,-0.001383,0.001876,0.005116,-0.008285,-0.00037,-0.011086,0.00491
Russia_North_Caucasus_BA:KMM032,0.117238,0.093429,0.028661,0.088825,-0.038161,0.036256,0.007755,-0.001154,-0.054403,-0.059409,0.004547,0.001649,-0.001487,-0.028213,0.038273,0.011138,-0.002347,0.001014,-0.008799,0.010755,-0.00574,0.001855,0.008627,0.02892,-0.00958
Russia_North_Caucasus_BA:KMM033,0.1161,0.096475,0.013953,0.085918,-0.029236,0.035419,0.002585,-0.003461,-0.055426,-0.063054,0.00747,0.004346,-0.004014,-0.024497,0.03108,0.020684,0.007041,-0.006081,0.001508,0.005127,0.003369,0.009769,0.013311,0.016388,-0.000359
Russia_North_Caucasus_BA:KVO008,0.113823,0.122879,-0.029038,0.023256,-0.035699,0.022311,0.012221,-0.003,-0.057471,-0.042279,-0.001461,0.008243,-0.020515,-0.007156,0.020358,-0.000265,0.019297,0.002154,-0.007793,0.004377,-0.002121,-0.006059,0.000739,0.000602,0.000838
Russia_North_Caucasus_BA:KVO009,0.118376,0.100537,0.046763,0.095285,-0.032621,0.027052,0.004465,-0.014769,-0.051131,-0.073441,0.005196,-0.010641,0.003122,-0.020643,0.036237,0.002121,-0.005215,0.004687,-0.003017,-0.002376,-0.012603,0.009274,0.000123,0.020846,-0.013891
Russia_North_Caucasus_BA:VS2001,0.121791,0.08632,0.032055,0.099484,-0.028005,0.036814,0.001175,-0.006692,-0.065039,-0.066516,-0.002436,0.000749,-0.003568,-0.020643,0.025244,0.007292,-0.011865,0.00076,-0.005405,-0.006878,-0.014849,0.002349,0.000863,0.016267,0.001317
Russia_North_Caucasus_EBA_possible:9NP004,0.120652,0.092413,0.037335,0.10013,-0.03139,0.038766,0.00376,-0.000462,-0.057471,-0.073259,0,-0.001798,-0.000149,-0.022432,0.030944,0.025192,0.004824,-0.006208,-0.00905,0.000375,-0.009234,-0.001113,0.00912,0.014098,-0.007903
Russia_North_Caucasus_EBA_possible:IV3008,0.119514,0.098506,0.036581,0.117896,-0.022466,0.046854,0.002585,0.000923,-0.051949,-0.07253,-0.002923,0.001948,0.001041,-0.010872,0.025651,0.002917,-0.016298,-0.004434,-0.002011,0.007879,-0.001996,0.000124,0.004314,0.01699,-0.001317
Russia_North_Caucasus_EBA_possible:KMM010,0.117238,0.082258,0.035449,0.093024,-0.03416,0.033746,-0.000235,0.000462,-0.058903,-0.064329,-0.00747,-0.006744,-0.006541,-0.030139,0.038545,0.016839,0.001825,-0.004054,0.005656,0.018634,-0.003369,-0.000124,0.006779,0.022895,-0.002754
Russia_North_Caucasus_EBA_possible:KMM030,0.100164,0.088351,0.033187,0.096577,-0.026159,0.035977,0.00376,-0.004846,-0.047245,-0.073077,-0.006658,-0.005095,-0.002527,-0.018579,0.030673,0.00769,-0.009388,-0.008742,0.000377,0.016133,-0.001248,-0.000247,0.013311,0.013255,-0.008023
Russia_North_Caucasus_EBA_possible:KMM036,0.113823,0.093429,0.038089,0.103683,-0.026774,0.046017,0.001645,-0.000692,-0.050108,-0.081095,-0.009743,0.004046,-0.000892,-0.018579,0.025787,0.025457,0.001565,0.000127,-0.003897,0.005253,-0.006863,0.001978,0.007272,0.023979,-0.006706
Russia_Satanay_Mesolithic:SJG001,0.10927,0.034528,0.12181,0.194124,-0.007078,0.051316,-0.031491,-0.02723,-0.003068,-0.069432,0.025333,-0.007044,0.022448,-0.049407,0.030809,0.020817,-0.000261,-0.015329,-0.010936,0.017258,-0.004243,0.013231,0.000246,-0.021449,-0.00491
Russia_Steppe_Eneolithic:KT6001,0.112685,0.076165,0.018102,0.106268,-0.060011,0.052431,0.003525,-0.012923,-0.070765,-0.077633,0.004872,0.002847,-0.00996,-0.02835,0.029316,0.015115,0.012517,-0.003167,-0.005908,0.010005,0.002496,-0.005812,0.016762,-0.000964,0.000958
Russia_Steppe_Eneolithic:KUG007,0.106994,0.073118,0.015839,0.115635,-0.05878,0.048527,-0.00329,-0.016845,-0.064425,-0.079455,0.008607,0.006145,-0.001784,-0.028075,0.040173,0.008221,-0.009388,-0.003167,-0.003645,0.007629,0.000624,0.003215,0.011955,0.015665,-0.007784
Russia_Steppe_Eneolithic:SNG001,0.108132,0.074134,0.012445,0.104006,-0.04924,0.044623,0.00188,-0.016615,-0.071379,-0.080913,0.002436,0.004346,-0.011001,-0.019542,0.033251,0.013524,0.004694,-0.006208,-0.00993,0.004752,-0.003244,0.001113,0.011832,0.003374,-0.006347
Russia_Steppe_Eneolithic_o:KHB003,0.103579,0.096475,0.009428,0.070737,-0.020004,0.031794,0.001645,-0.010384,-0.051949,-0.051026,0.000325,0.004046,-0.008176,-0.015827,0.024158,-0.008486,-0.000913,0.006714,-0.006913,0.008629,0.011854,0.004946,0.000739,-0.013496,0.005868
Russia_Steppe_Eneolithic_SH3001:SH3001,0.1161,0.06804,0.03017,0.12048,-0.052933,0.046854,-0.002585,-0.018922,-0.067493,-0.085833,0.013965,0.002098,-0.007136,-0.010872,0.028908,0.01485,-0.019818,-0.015836,-0.01169,0.014132,-0.002995,0.003586,0.001356,-0.003494,-0.005868
Russia_Steppe_LateEneolithic:NV3003,0.112685,0.067025,0.021119,0.10756,-0.05201,0.035419,-0.00329,-0.019384,-0.060948,-0.072894,0.004384,-0.004646,0.002676,-0.025735,0.025787,-0.000265,-0.016037,0,-0.005782,0.00075,-0.006114,0.009645,0.015159,0.005663,-0.005269
Russia_Steppe_LateEneolithic_o:ZO1002,0.09675,0.112724,-0.027907,0.031654,-0.045547,-0.000837,0.014571,-0.011307,-0.051131,-0.037358,-0.009581,0.002847,-0.018434,-0.009909,0.006107,0.002254,0.013038,0.005954,-0.011439,0.004002,-0.000998,-0.00507,-0.003821,-0.013978,-0.000359
Russia_Steppe_LateEneolithic_o:ZO1004,0.108132,0.097491,-0.022627,0.041344,-0.040315,0.02259,0.012926,-0.010153,-0.053176,-0.045195,-0.002436,0.004046,-0.010704,-0.008808,0.013436,0.002387,-0.004694,0.001394,-0.013324,-0.002626,0.005116,-0.007172,0.004683,-0.003976,0.001676
Russia_Steppe_Lola:NV3002,0.112685,0.041637,0.037335,0.126294,-0.05601,0.049643,-0.00893,-0.016845,-0.048881,-0.079637,0.009094,-0.006145,0.009217,-0.0417,0.030809,0.020154,0.004824,0.005448,0.004399,0.003252,-0.018467,0.003091,0.012325,0.012652,-0.009819
Russia_Steppe_Lola:TIP001,0.10927,0.032497,0.033564,0.129524,-0.072937,0.047133,-0.011281,-0.023768,-0.06238,-0.080366,0.008119,0.001798,0.009068,-0.030965,0.021715,0.000928,-0.009909,0.00152,-0.007416,0.009004,-0.021213,0.010263,0.011585,0.013978,0.002155
Russia_Steppe_Lola:ZIM001,0.106994,0.100537,0.02753,0.086564,-0.023697,0.037371,0.006345,0.001385,-0.05788,-0.061778,-0.003735,0.002098,-0.004608,-0.020506,0.026058,-0.002254,-0.004824,-0.000507,-0.001257,-0.003252,0.001622,0.015209,0.009244,0.013737,-0.010777
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Очевидно, создатели КЦ лично общались с Навуходоносором, причем по-армянски.

Что-то у меня завертелась мысль: а с Гильгамешем по-армянски никто не говорил?
Какие там вообще самые достоверные следы армянского языка до Месропа?

Расмус Бёрн написал статью где говорит что хурритское слово лошадь ešši идёт от армянского слово eš который ныне означает осел но в древности означало лошадь.
Это слово зафиксировано во втором тысячелетии днэ.  Кстати многие митоднк лошадей были привнесены из севера где то 2500 днэ.

В свое время Вячеслав Иванов тоже сравнил эти слова. Многие лингвисты видели это сходство просто они не озвучивали связь с армянским а говорили об ИЕ происходдении, потому что все верили словам Геродота. Вот такая вот циркулярная логика от которого отказываются уже отказываются под давлением фактов.