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Закажите расширенную расшифровку на expertdna.ru, там и по смешанному происхождению помогут.

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Добрый день. Примерно схожая ситуация, прошу помощи.

Достоверно по матери есть чуваши из Больших Чаков, русские из Коми-Кировской области. По отцу абсолютная терра инкогнита, но можно сосредоточиться по вариантам с 3-4 миксами. В поисках по седьмой воде на киселе чего только нет, по восточной теме вылезают наиболее близкие результаты следующие:

1.  Женщина
Ancestral Surnames
Not Provided
Haplogroup
mtDNA:
N/A
Relationship Range
2nd Cousin - 4th Cousin
Link on Family Tree
Shared DNA
37 cM
Longest Block
37 cM
X Match
No Match

2. Женщина
Ancestral Surnames
Not Provided
Haplogroup
mtDNA:
N/A
Relationship Range
3rd Cousin - 5th Cousin
Link on Family Tree
Shared DNA
36 cM
Longest Block
27 cM
X Match
No Match
Match date: March 28 2023

3.  Мужчина
Big Y-500
Ancestral Surnames |View Details
Ivanov (Yedigarov), Unknown (name - Hurmuz), Zakalashvili
Haplogroup
Y-DNA:
T-FGC63797
mtDNA:
N/A
Relationship Range
3rd Cousin - 5th Cousin
Link on Family Tree
Shared DNA
27 cM
Longest Block
27 cM
X Match
No Match
Match date: March 28 2023

Здесь ответил ранее интересовавшийся генеалогией мужчина, у меня мэтчи с его дедом, который смешанного ассирийско-грузинского происхождения, но в совпаданцах у него также есть армяне.

4. Наконец, генотек недавно выдал пятиюродных или более дальних родственников: двоих из Азербайджана (мать армянского происхождения + сын) и одного армянина, с которым совпадает умозрительно хотя бы Y-гаплогруппа J1a.

Куда посоветуете копать дальше до того, как делать хотя бы Y-37? Или без него нет смысла смотреть по столь дальним категориям родства?

Кит на myFTDNA: B951674
Кит на Gedmatch: HJ6962538

Теперь сами этнокалькуляторы.
Eurogenes K13 по Оракулу 4 выдает следующее:
Admix Results (sorted):

#   Population   Percent
1    Baltic    28.05
2    East_Med    21.09
3    West_Asian    15.28
4    North_Atlantic    14.89
5    West_Med    7.51
6    Siberian    7.18
7    South_Asian    2.55
8    Red_Sea    2.44

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bulgarian @ 15.352472
2 Romanian @ 16.244793
3 Serbian @ 18.192266
4 Moldavian @ 18.938030
5 Greek_Thessaly @ 20.239786
6 Tatar @ 21.367929
7 Croatian @ 22.502121
8 Hungarian @ 23.873003
9 Central_Greek @ 25.298239
10 Italian_Abruzzo @ 26.357258
11 Ashkenazi @ 26.499517
12 East_Sicilian @ 26.531639
13 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 26.818235
14 Nogay @ 27.956726
15 Ukrainian @ 28.115019
16 South_Polish @ 28.286203
17 Southwest_Russian @ 28.509968
18 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 28.592070
19 West_Sicilian @ 28.749466
20 Austrian @ 28.902166

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Assyrian +50% East_Finnish @ 4.881350


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Erzya +25% Lebanese_Druze +25% Turkish @ 4.199786


Using 4 populations approximation:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 East_Finnish + Erzya + Lebanese_Druze + Turkish @ 3.785108
2 Lebanese_Druze + Lithuanian + Mari + Turkish @ 3.809819
3 Chuvash + Lebanese_Druze + Lithuanian + Turkish @ 3.820258
4 Azeri + East_Finnish + Erzya + Lebanese_Druze @ 3.871599
5 Ashkenazi + Belorussian + Georgian_Jewish + Mari @ 3.907884
6 Ashkenazi + Chuvash + Erzya + Iranian_Jewish @ 3.972677
7 Ashkenazi + Assyrian + Lithuanian + Mari @ 3.982175
8 Ashkenazi + Georgian_Jewish + Lithuanian + Mari @ 3.989106
9 Ashkenazi + Assyrian + Chuvash + Erzya @ 4.021155
10 Ashkenazi + Georgian_Jewish + Mari + Southwest_Russian @ 4.092148
11 Ashkenazi + Georgian_Jewish + Mari + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.108907
12 Ashkenazi + Iranian_Jewish + Lithuanian + Mari @ 4.152744
13 Chuvash + Estonian + Lebanese_Druze + Turkish @ 4.154502
14 Ashkenazi + Chuvash + Iranian_Jewish + Lithuanian @ 4.154666
15 Ashkenazi + Assyrian + Mari + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.157082
16 Greek_Thessaly + Iranian_Jewish + Mari + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.178176
17 Ashkenazi + Assyrian + Chuvash + Lithuanian @ 4.180328
18 Ashkenazi + Assyrian + Belorussian + Mari @ 4.184416
19 Ashkenazi + Belorussian + Chuvash + Georgian_Jewish @ 4.199006
20 Erzya + Erzya + Lebanese_Druze + Turkish @ 4.199786


MDLP World-22 4-Ancestors Oracle
Admix Results (sorted):

#   Population   Percent
1    North-East-European    32.09
2    Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic    20.59
3    West-Asian    17.99
4    Near_East    11.96
5    North-European-Mesolithic    5.78
6    Samoedic    3.98
7    Indo-Iranian    2.56
8    East-Siberean    2.16
9    North-Siberean    1.64


Finished reading population data. 276 populations found.
22 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Gagauz_derived @ 14.171280
2 Bulgarian_derived @ 15.950961
3 Ashkenazim_V_derived @ 16.263180
4 Romania_derived @ 16.472452
5 Macedonian_derived @ 17.420845
6 Tatar_Crim_derived @ 17.527412
7 Greek_South_derived @ 18.356445
8 Greek_North_derived @ 18.416534
9 Montenegrin_derived @ 19.537806
10 Serbian_derived @ 20.222702
11 Jew_Romania_derived @ 20.458824
12 Tatar_derived @ 21.158796
13 Tatar_Lithuania_derived @ 21.788250
14 Greek_Center_derived @ 22.489433
15 Bosnian_derived @ 22.750137
16 Greek_East_derived @ 23.072580
17 Italian_North_derived @ 23.495949
18 Swiss_derived @ 23.577724
19 Greek_Azov_derived @ 23.849928
20 Tatar_Kryashen_derived @ 24.199272

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cypriot_derived +50% Russian_North_derived @ 5.080934


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Cretan_derived +25% Tatar_derived +25% Vepsa_derived @ 3.524852


Using 4 populations approximation:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Greek_Center_derived + Karelian_derived + Lebanese_derived + Tatar_derived @ 2.451748
2 Druze_derived + Greek_North_derived + Karelian_derived + Tatar_derived @ 2.471527
3 Greek_East_derived + Karelian_derived + Lebanese_derived + Tatar_derived @ 2.524633
4 Druze_derived + Greek_South_derived + Karelian_derived + Tatar_derived @ 2.532669
5 Greek_North_derived + Karelian_derived + Lebanese_derived + Tatar_derived @ 2.572200
6 Greek_South_derived + Jew_Georgia_derived + Karelian_derived + Tatar_derived @ 2.574894
7 Italian-North_derived + Jew-Iran_derived + Karelian_derived + Tatar_derived @ 2.597697
8 Druze_derived + Greek_Center_derived + Karelian_derived + Tatar_derived @ 2.607745
9 Ashkenazim_V_derived + Inkeri_derived + Jew_Georgia_derived + Tatar_derived @ 2.638331
10 Greek_North_derived + Inkeri_derived + Lebanese_derived + Tatar_derived @ 2.656398
11 Ashkenazim_V_derived + Finnish_derived + Jew_Azerbaijan_derived + Tatar_derived @ 2.659802
12 Ashkenazim_V_derived + Chuvash_derived + Jew_Kurd_derived + Swedish_V_derived @ 2.671569
13 Komi_derived + Swedish_V_derived + Syrian_derived + Tatar_Crim_derived @ 2.672682
14 Finnish_derived + Greek_North_derived + Lebanese_derived + Tatar_derived @ 2.676289
15 Druze_derived + Greek_Center_derived + Tatar_derived + Vepsa_derived @ 2.680871
16 Greek_Center_derived + Lebanese_derived + Tatar_derived + Vepsa_derived @ 2.682345
17 Greek_Azov_derived + Jew_Tunisia_derived + Karelian_derived + Tatar_derived @ 2.682829
18 Ashkenazim_V_derived + Finnish_derived + Jew_Georgia_derived + Tatar_derived @ 2.691294
19 Finnish_derived + Greek_South_derived + Jew_Georgia_derived + Tatar_derived @ 2.695970
20 Greek_South_derived + Karelian_derived + Lebanese_derived + Tatar_derived @ 2.708697


Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle
Admix Results (sorted):

#   Population   Percent
1    North_European    34.38
2    Caucasus    25.48
3    Atlantic_Med    14.37
4    Gedrosia    9.66
5    Southwest_Asian    7.33
6    Siberian    7.21
7    Northwest_African    1.11


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 14.072803
2 Romanians_Behar @ 14.575970
3 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 15.851347
4 Hungarians_Behar @ 23.143034
5 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 24.475805
6 Nogais_Yunusbayev @ 24.872484
7 Greek_Dodecad @ 24.999134
8 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 28.980619
9 German_Dodecad @ 29.575800
10 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar @ 29.646105
11 Chuvashs_Behar @ 29.698528
12 Tuscan_HGDP @ 30.002508
13 TSI30_Metspalu @ 30.095449
14 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 30.169743
15 Ashkenazi_Dodecad @ 30.213804
16 Kumyks_Yunusbayev @ 30.846851
17 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 31.133356
18 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 31.323792
19 Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 31.681585
20 Turkish_Dodecad @ 33.204334

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Russian_HGDP +50% Turks_Behar @ 5.648147


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian_Dodecad +25% Chuvashs_Behar +25% Kurd_Dodecad @ 4.061492


Using 4 populations approximation:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Chuvashs_Behar + Kurds_Yunusbayev + Russian_HGDP + Sicilian_Dodecad @ 1.667673
2 Chuvashs_Behar + Kurds_Yunusbayev + Russian_HGDP + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 1.820357
3 Chuvashs_Behar + Kurds_Yunusbayev + Russian_Dodecad + Sicilian_Dodecad @ 1.852708
4 Chuvashs_Behar + Kurds_Yunusbayev + Mordovians_Yunusbayev + Sicilian_Dodecad @ 1.936311
5 Chuvashs_Behar + Kurds_Yunusbayev + Russian_Dodecad + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 1.939712
6 Chuvashs_Behar + Iranian_Jews_Behar + Mordovians_Yunusbayev + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 2.019283
7 Chuvashs_Behar + Kurd_Dodecad + Russian_Dodecad + Sicilian_Dodecad @ 2.032972
8 Chuvashs_Behar + Kurd_Dodecad + Russian_B_Behar + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 2.033442
9 Chuvashs_Behar + Kurd_Dodecad + Russian_B_Behar + Sicilian_Dodecad @ 2.051286
10 Chuvashs_Behar + Kurds_Yunusbayev + Russian_B_Behar + Sicilian_Dodecad @ 2.052875
11 Chuvashs_Behar + Kurds_Yunusbayev + Russian_B_Behar + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 2.059399
12 C_Italian_Dodecad + Chuvashs_Behar + Mordovians_Yunusbayev + Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar @ 2.081321
13 Chuvashs_Behar + Kurd_Dodecad + Russian_Dodecad + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 2.083233
14 Chuvashs_Behar + Kurds_Yunusbayev + Mordovians_Yunusbayev + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 2.096793
15 Chuvashs_Behar + Kurds_Yunusbayev + Mixed_Slav_Dodecad + Sicilian_Dodecad @ 2.134730
16 Chuvashs_Behar + Iranian_Dodecad + Russian_Dodecad + Sicilian_Dodecad @ 2.166281
17 Chuvashs_Behar + Kurds_Yunusbayev + Mixed_Slav_Dodecad + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 2.183910
18 Chuvashs_Behar + Kurd_Dodecad + Mixed_Slav_Dodecad + Sicilian_Dodecad @ 2.186687
19 Belorussian_Behar + Chuvashs_Behar + Kurd_Dodecad + Sicilian_Dodecad @ 2.208188
20 Chuvashs_Behar + Kurd_Dodecad + Russian_HGDP + Sicilian_Dodecad @ 2.208472

Myorigins на FTDNA рисует такое:
 Europe 70%
Eastern Europe
East Slavic
46%
West Slavic
3%
Southern Europe
Italian Peninsula
22%
Middle East & North Africa 28%
Middle East
Anatolia, Armenia, & Mesopotamia
20%
Sephardic Jewish
4%
Caucasus
Southern Caucasus
info
<4%
Asia <3%
Western Siberia
Western Siberian Plains
info
<2%
Northwestern Siberia
info
<1%
Americas <1%
Americas
Amerindian – North America
info
<1

Генотек:
36% армяне
31% русские
28% чуваши
5% поволжские татары


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Если интересует Игрек, то разумеется BigY или  его полногеномный аналог. Армяне относительно кучно представлены в базах, так что с кем-то точно пересечения будут. Не исключаю и кумулятивного совпадения (как по аутосомам, так и по игреку).

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Space Jam, судя по West_Asian    15.28, у Вашего отца этот компонент должен был быть примерно 30%. Такой результат (30-40%) типичен для турок, армян, курдов, азербайджанцев и ассирийцев, т. е. для народов Малой Азии и Южного Кавказа.
Судя по West_Med    7.51 у вас (т. е. примерно в 2 раза больше у отца), предки ассирийцы, армяне или турки вероятнее курдов или азербайджанцев.
Если хотите более точный результат, проверяйте совпадения по Y-хромосоме.
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