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Re: Русские G25
« Ответ #45 : 18 Декабрь 2021, 17:05:58 »
Приветствую!
Конечно, нужны ваши координаты G25)

Добро, в скором времени пришлю 8)

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Re: Русские G25
« Ответ #46 : 18 Декабрь 2021, 18:09:56 »
Пожалуй выложу и свои, отец русский Михайловский и Ряжский районы Рязанской области (обе ветки как минимум на 150 лет местные), мама мокша Ковылкинского района Мордовии (обоим веткам примерно столько же сколько и по отцу, все местные из одного населённого пункта).
Tora_sama,0.124067,0.099522,0.071276,0.055233,0.022158,0.020638,0.014806,0.016153,0.000205,-0.024602,0.000487,-0.00015,0.02111,0.014175,-0.013165,0.002387,-0.000261,0.003041,0,0.002376,-0.005241,-0.007172,0.002465,-0.00494,-0.002634
К современным:

К древним:

Учитывая, что я принц-полукровка результаты впечатляющие, по древним расстояния дальние ибо нет нужных дДНК из центральной части России (кром, дьяковцы, вятичи, кривичи и т.д.) кроме более южного славянина Сунгирь-6. Да и в целом тенденция по древним понятна, практически все ближайшие семплы это древние славяне.
Важное уточнение, на вахадуо нет многих выборок, которые я использовал для себя, как для древних так и современных, так же по современным надо смотреть расстояния не дальше 0,3 ну край 0,35, по древним до 0,5 ибо они как правило далеко от современных людей, поэтому ставить по 80 семплов в количестве справа смысла 0. Использовал обобщённые, а не индивидуальные семплы, чтобы было нагляднее)
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Re: Русские G25
« Ответ #47 : 18 Декабрь 2021, 21:51:17 »
Russian Vulgaris, ну возможно дедушка/бабушка был латышом/латышкой. К древним расстояния довольно большие и славян полным полно, собственно как и у всех остальных славян, чьи результаты я видел.

Никаких дедушек/бабушек «латышей»  у меня естественно не было…
Также как и ближайших родичей из под Твери или Ярославля…

Этот калькулятор (как и любой другой этнокалькулятор) лишь проектирует людей на ортогональные компоненты… Так - как это видит автор калькулятора… Ни больше и не меньше…

Поэтому Deep Dive (с указанием общих сегментов с конкретными древними образцами) для меня лично более актуален…
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Re: Русские G25
« Ответ #48 : 18 Декабрь 2021, 23:55:14 »
При таком случае возможны два расклада:
1)Метисация, например как у меня. Если популяции довольно далеки друг от друга изначально, то G25 выдаёт нечто среднее, но тут поможет только тест родителей на аутосомы, уже сталкивались с таким. Например отец понтийский грек из Трапезунда, мама русская из Удмуртии, а выдаёт то болгарина, то турка, а вот родителям 100% точно всё.
2)Банальное отсутствие необходимых региональных выборок, белорусов до сих пор всего 1 выборка, против 13 русских и 32 испанских. Кто платит больше всех, того и больше всех соответственно. Ну и надо учитывать, что допустим нет выборки русские Владимира и калькулятор будет выдавать их как смесь рязанцев и костромчан, пытаясь выйти из положения.

 
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Re: Русские G25
« Ответ #49 : 10 Декабрь 2022, 14:10:35 »
Мужская ветка из Пскова, женская из Костромы. Вот unscaled координаты.
StanislavVasilyev,0.0111,0.0107,0.0211,0.0209,0.0143,0.0077,0.0048,0.0067,-0.0012,-0.0169,-0.002,-0.0076,0.0139,0.0172,-0.0055,-0.0116,-0.0036,0.0038,0.0063,-0.0025,-0.0022,-0.0036,0.0085,0.0005,-0.0042

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Re: Русские G25
« Ответ #50 : 10 Декабрь 2022, 22:01:55 »
Ну и надо учитывать, что допустим нет выборки русские Владимира и калькулятор будет выдавать их как смесь рязанцев и костромчан, пытаясь выйти из положения.
Только вот не костромчан, а костромичей!

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Re: Русские G25
« Ответ #51 : 28 Сентябрь 2023, 13:43:41 »
Русский, предки отца из под Царицына, предки мамы из станицы Раздорской.
По официальной базе G25

Distance to:   VVasilchenko_scaled
0.02376762   Russian_Orel
0.02428416   Russian_Ryazan
0.02567470   Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.02656174   Cossack_Ukrainian
0.02671313   Russian_Kursk
0.02766421   Ukrainian_Sumy
0.02852559   Russian_Tver
0.02909454   Russian_Voronez
0.02941838   Russian_Belgorod
0.02945438   Russian_Smolensk
0.02999160   Russian_Kaluga
0.03009504   Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.03098900   Belarusian
0.03101897   Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.03111873   Russian_Yaroslavl
0.03145801   Moksha
0.03185234   Ukrainian_Rivne
0.03429015   Ukrainian_Lviv
0.03551633   Polish
0.03631019   Russian_Kostroma
0.03719632   Russian_Pskov
0.03782338   Moldovan_o
0.03793066   Erzya
0.03919753   Lithuanian_PA
0.04117785   Polish_Kashubian

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Re: Русские G25
« Ответ #52 : 28 Сентябрь 2023, 15:16:57 »
Русский, предки отца из под Царицына, предки мамы из станицы Раздорской.
По официальной базе G25

Distance to:   VVasilchenko_scaled
0.02376762   Russian_Orel
0.02428416   Russian_Ryazan
Официальная база странная. С torasama точнее - у меня 0,01х даже были по областям. 0,02х далеко, такие можно и со средневековыми получить.

Ну и как всегда достоверность scaled (я конечно scaled тоже)

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Re: Русские G25
« Ответ #53 : 28 Сентябрь 2023, 15:17:40 »
Сравнение тех, кто выкладывал в этой теме координаты, в современном довольно любопытном калькуляторе Беовульфа

Target: Andvari
Distance: 1.2516% / 0.01251598
78.2   Eastern_European
9.2   Scandinavia
6.2   Turkish_Caucasian_And_Iranian
3.2   Pakistani_And_Afghan
1.4   Central_Asian
1.2   Native_American
0.4   Central_African
0.2   Native_From_Siberia

Target: Ivan_scaled
Distance: 2.2475% / 0.02247473
84.0   Eastern_European
12.8   Greece_and_The_Balkan_Peninsula
2.2   Native_From_Siberia
0.6   Central_African
0.2   Native_American
0.2   Siberian_Eskimo

Target: RD_scaled
Distance: 1.6610% / 0.01660999
63.0   Eastern_European
23.6   Greece_and_The_Balkan_Peninsula
6.0   Great_Britain_&_Ireland(Irish)
3.8   Finnic
3.6   Ashkenazi

Target: Tora_sama
Distance: 1.4105% / 0.01410498
87.4   Eastern_European
4.6   Finnic
3.8   Native_From_Siberia
2.6   Egyptian_Levantine_Arabic
0.8   Greece_and_The_Balkan_Peninsula
0.6   Great_Britain_&_Ireland
0.2   West_Africa

Target: VVasilchenko_scaled
Distance: 1.9746% / 0.01974577
69.0   Eastern_European
23.0   Greece_and_The_Balkan_Peninsula
2.2   Central_Asian
2.0   Mongolian_And_North_Chinese
1.4   Gujarati_People
1.0   Finnic
0.8   Siberian_Eskimo
0.6   Native_From_Siberia

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Re: Русские G25
« Ответ #54 : 28 Сентябрь 2023, 15:23:39 »
Официальная база странная. С torasama точнее - у меня 0,01х даже были по областям. 0,02х далеко, такие можно и со средневековыми получить.

Ну и как всегда достоверность scaled (я конечно scaled тоже)

В базе Tora_sama
Сильно улучшить расстояния не получается.

Distance to:   VVasilchenko_scaled
0.02232137   Ukrainian_Donetsk
0.02376762   Russian_Orel
0.02428416   Russian_Ryazan
0.02444190   Russian_RyazanSpassk
0.02533162   Russian_Tambov
0.02563506   Russian_Voronezh_North
0.02567470   Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.02583318   Russian_Samara
0.02594329   Russian_RyazanMikhailov
0.02656174   Cossack_Ukrainian
0.02671313   Russian_Kursk
0.02671931   Russian_RyazanKadom
0.02734961   Russian_NizhnyNovgorod
0.02766421   Ukrainian_Sumy
0.02826545   Russian_TverKashin
0.02830505   Russian_Moscow
0.02839416   Ukrainian_middleDnipro
0.02852559   Russian_Tver
0.02909454   Russian_Voronezh_Rep
0.02941838   Russian_Belgorod
0.02945438   Russian_Smolensk
0.02999160   Russian_Kaluga
0.03009504   Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.03020492   Belarusian_East
0.03051927   Belarusian

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Re: Русские G25
« Ответ #55 : 28 Сентябрь 2023, 17:47:58 »
Господа, дайте нам новые научные да хоть ненаучные образцы чистых представителей популяций и результаты сразу улучшаться. 2 года назад было 15 русских выборок (изначально их было вообще 7), сейчас есть 31 выборка. Украинцев в ру сегменте вообще не было координат (1 общая выборка), пока на Аджей я кипеша не навёл.
В общем хотите большего и более точного вы знаете, что делать)

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Re: Русские G25
« Ответ #56 : 28 Сентябрь 2023, 19:19:13 »
Господа, дайте нам новые научные да хоть ненаучные образцы чистых представителей популяций и результаты сразу улучшаться. 2 года назад было 15 русских выборок (изначально их было вообще 7), сейчас есть 31 выборка. Украинцев в ру сегменте вообще не было координат (1 общая выборка), пока на Аджей я кипеша не навёл.
В общем хотите большего и более точного вы знаете, что делать)

К твоим выборкам претензий нет, база отличная. У меня индивидуальный случай, поэтому не получается добиться идеальных дистанций. 

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Re: Русские G25
« Ответ #57 : 28 Сентябрь 2023, 20:05:41 »
Все русские популяции, что у нас есть на данный момент:

Russian_Vladimir,0.129826,0.1117035,0.0765892,0.0689544,0.0318902,0.0229778,0.0104533,0.0142661,-0.0031046,-0.0269711,0.0020502,-0.0093059,0.0181056,0.0092322,-0.0118993,-0.0023393,0.0018657,-0.0019463,-0.0010801,-0.0008986,-0.0039902,0.0018172,0.004274,-0.0037624,-0.0008933
Russian_Moscow,0.132337,0.1154062,0.0770747,0.068239,0.0377892,0.0229611,0.0106225,0.0148607,-0.0009266,-0.0247931,-0.0007125,-0.0102363,0.0182538,0.0208948,-0.0138944,-0.0009787,0.0040001,-0.0012896,0.0021003,0.001089,-0.0046381,-0.0026274,0.0060603,-0.0043325,0.0003474
Russian_Samara,0.1286953,0.1118535,0.0713283,0.0637015,0.0305684,0.02303,0.0088892,0.0111832,-0.0043518,-0.0266363,-0.0012005,-0.0090816,0.0163612,0.0179513,-0.0106777,-0.0000928,0.0044391,-0.0010209,0.00146,0.001729,-0.0041491,-0.0026747,0.0065449,-0.0033722,-0.0001119
Russian_Zaoneje,0.1281276,0.0797343,0.090589,0.0814813,0.0225214,0.0220287,0.0114985,0.0167365,-0.0017429,-0.0333924,0.0079712,-0.0102351,0.0194586,0.0007608,-0.0093227,-0.0013239,0.0000235,-0.0016617,-0.001637,0.0022519,-0.0010255,0.0051083,0.0055303,-0.0016342,-0.0002274
Russian_NizhnyNovgorod,0.1303423,0.1091715,0.0749409,0.0689733,0.032872,0.0237395,0.0109929,0.0143796,-0.0028975,-0.0277563,0.0006341,-0.0101239,0.0191203,0.0159974,-0.0141026,-0.0009994,0.0044294,-0.0013247,0.0007566,0.0002739,-0.0050423,-0.0001622,0.0053679,-0.0028586,-0.001146
Russian_Voronezh_Rep,0.1308965,0.1216098,0.0735385,0.0608855,0.0360838,0.0225205,0.009694,0.011711,-0.0024542,-0.0240098,0.0008118,-0.0079052,0.017282,0.024359,-0.0136402,-0.0037125,0.0012385,0.0011085,0.0028285,0.0034392,-0.0023708,-0.0032148,0.0023725,-0.0050305,-0.0019758
Russian_Voronezh_North,0.1290756,0.1121146,0.06939,0.0612408,0.0324366,0.0243192,0.0085542,0.008446,-0.0039268,-0.0251486,-0.00354,-0.0103108,0.0162038,0.0193498,-0.0089848,-0.0008486,0.004485,-0.0015964,0.002866,0.0001,-0.0023708,-0.001657,0.0066552,-0.003687,0.0000958
Russian_Novgorod,0.1335032,0.1111881,0.0833127,0.0760889,0.0359381,0.0255993,0.0118841,0.0164520,-0.0021559,-0.0300786,0.0009578,-0.0108162,0.0206488,0.0168863,-0.0126800,-0.0007485,0.0029230,-0.0014557,0.0006617,0.0014963,-0.0038377,-0.0003092,0.0057940,-0.0040258,-0.0001530
Russian_Bryansk,0.1327594126050001,0.121998902107,0.07600406837679999,0.06736992395300016,0.039708374241199995,0.025281508545640007,0.010931545604000012,0.01391866038700006,-0.001904722613999885,-0.024710254710999822,-0.0029607795254959998,-0.009817040568000004,0.01764280210799999,0.02442904701200049,-0.011500389307999938,-0.000882475951999976,0.0036263135879998415,-0.0007716734529999167,0.001117263817999986,0.0015540995817999925,-0.0034161383830000076,-0.004152855958000019,0.0049280961089999634,-0.004665975230999942,0.000027458289999964317
Russian_RyazanKadom,0.12929139621300006,0.100550151573,0.07325213411039999,0.06908596205599978,0.03098136645839999,0.024697342145719996,0.008750267679000046,0.011839024762000206,-0.004655686128,-0.028571590267000006,-0.00012562565649199968,-0.00983873748099999,0.018293837497999992,0.015658123878999952,-0.011162792745000092,-0.0007035935739999799,0.0026067619009999435,-0.001424121050999975,0.0007249661899999717,0.0007564628673999987,-0.00448632993899972,-0.0010226351519998854,0.005698268741,-0.0034464449290000734,0.0001373867680003631
Russian_RyazanMikhailov,0.1263438,0.111099,0.0680324,0.0627912,0.0317596,0.0228132,0.007379,0.0096458,-0.0046632,-0.024456,0.0000972,-0.0083626,0.015193,0.0196526,-0.010695,-0.0031822,0.0074058,-0.0046114,-0.0009554,-0.0009254,-0.006713,-0.002572,0.006458,-0.0028438,0.0012694
Russian_RyazanSpassk,0.1287829,0.109242,0.0721379,0.0650153,0.0287966,0.022391,0.012825,0.0128566,-0.0028927,-0.0223371,0.0003016,-0.0086066,0.0167986,0.0221576,-0.0141536,-0.0012689,0.0056064,-0.0005249,0.0022627,0.0000534,-0.0045634,-0.003586,0.0039614,-0.0020827,-0.0010263
Russian_RyazanRyazhsk,0.13293349219700015,0.121295127345,0.0745378724506,0.064595905822,0.035568253098600004,0.023651243766899994,0.010380443051000016,0.013905803537999997,-0.0030632198589999673,-0.02264196008500008,-0.00010178524374800056,-0.006922815749000035,0.01420281250099998,0.007085489025000197,-0.007581843119000023,-0.0024543290879999458,0.00003795501199986562,-0.0015127476989999673,-0.0017622923120000035,-0.0020648725830000143,-0.0038934673980001583,0.0012782166439999562,0.0021983864969999803,-0.0015155878629999793,-0.001924773200000146
Russian_Tambov,0.1309282517470001,0.11396443899099998,0.0709982585402,0.06473533807399999,0.03227525666199997,0.023221495116840015,0.010652067718000039,0.014221713831000075,-0.0021262472670000444,-0.025081954602000026,-0.000017832393040000687,-0.009648273915000017,0.018054334313999984,0.01610265276199976,-0.013556129489000118,-0.002588507172999899,0.0036992907009999725,-0.0017968463990000903,-0.00019466181100005278,0.00019175422430000102,-0.0049630848979996655,-0.0006232517390002732,0.005092149027999961,-0.0046347961680000705,-0.0011936560340000647
Russian_TverKashin,0.129189,0.1053612,0.0780638,0.0651652,0.0296208,0.0241938,0.0081075,0.011942,-0.0036302,-0.0254675,0.0021922,-0.0099288,0.0173932,0.021263,-0.0120112,0.0008288,0.006128,0.001045,0.0005028,0.002814,-0.003494,-0.0041425,0.0073332,-0.0046692,-0.0014965
Russian_Perm,0.12546768677000006,0.07159584292699998,0.08244195780720003,0.07408674441999995,0.016903552407,0.020431463331160013,0.011686147687999996,0.01629237148700008,-0.003361139496999841,-0.03148255611399971,0.008062955575284001,-0.00955828821199995,0.019600208974999984,-0.0017226888719996038,-0.011373865900999838,-0.0029950820620000236,0.00019412163299993871,-0.001665603774000094,-0.0026779298549999817,-0.0014786862105999976,-0.002861183782000015,0.004580115984999907,0.00409537682299999,-0.0025750658250001035,-0.0017256840290003925
Russian_Vyatka,0.12633208009200006,0.08175209165000002,0.08363741261320001,0.07618230061299994,0.020802201448999996,0.021180988447660008,0.01064569810399993,0.015280784224000074,-0.004200620189000259,-0.03319993132099958,0.006543894209512,-0.010414509808000039,0.020711828066000013,0.001183515085000021,-0.012006631267999914,-0.0031390699620000217,0.0009241867460001406,-0.0019615013930000752,-0.0027888313440000067,-0.00035075693120000705,-0.0033532546429996075,0.004578470895000116,0.004251995797999996,-0.004244384627999882,-0.0013133291600001809
Russian_Belgorod,0.1354493,0.1221175,0.0695788,0.0566865,0.036853,0.019801,0.0119855,0.014134,-0.0043972,-0.0216862,-0.0020298,-0.0103035,0.0196975,0.0212972,-0.0130293,-0.0028838,0.005574,0.001077,0.0036138,0.0024075,-0.0037748,-0.0059045,0.005423,-0.006989,0.0009878
Russian_Kaluga,0.1320348,0.1180555,0.0774042,0.066215,0.03593,0.0239147,0.0060512,0.0136722,-0.0048065,-0.0235995,0.0009335,-0.011315,0.0194002,0.0254258,-0.0118078,-0.0046408,0.0013365,-0.003579,0.0006282,0.0054715,0.0003745,-0.001762,-0.0002465,-0.0061755,0.0006885
Russian_Kostroma,0.1282407,0.0873355,0.0814582,0.0680453,0.027441,0.0215208,0.0119073,0.0129993,-0.0033747,-0.0299475,0.0042222,-0.0074932,0.017963,0.0123402,-0.0091383,-0.0039112,0.0009127,-0.0016258,-0.0017597,0.0004792,6.23e-05,-0.0014427,0.0035947,-0.0006025,-0.0020557
Russian_Krasnoborsky,0.1278613,0.0766725,0.082715,0.0710062,0.0243633,0.0218465,0.0090872,0.0159993,0.0030337,-0.0290667,0.006333,-0.0108155,0.0194498,0.0119503,-0.0074643,-0.0025857,-0.000261,-0.0014357,-0.0008798,0.003731,0.002163,-0.001896,0.0023828,-0.0007228,-0.0005588
Russian_Kursk,0.1308964,0.1157701,0.0710872,0.0648019,0.0341601,0.023113,0.0103991,0.0121438,-0.0032469,-0.0255587,-0.0018066,-0.0080179,0.0183225,0.0206778,-0.0127748,0.0012101,0.0016136,-0.0008869,0.0023096,0.0012817,-0.002558,-0.0040188,0.0051146,-0.0058141,-0.0017214
Russian_Leshukonsky,0.1197416,0.043668,0.0909616,0.0796518,0.0096016,0.0161198,0.0137718,0.013753,-0.0021272,-0.035281,0.0133808,-0.0096814,0.0198906,0.00311,-0.0093374,-0.002148,-0.0002346,-0.0050168,-0.0058074,0.0004754,0.0026202,-0.0010884,-0.0002218,0.002193,0.0010298
Russian_Orel,0.1305861,0.1167859,0.0711387,0.0608121,0.0334886,0.0224127,0.0091653,0.0130274,-0.0047971,-0.0251321,-0.0017864,-0.0078475,0.0156365,0.0247095,-0.0115855,-0.0034354,-0.0003911,-0.0011862,0.0027882,0.0011938,-0.0037547,-0.0044065,0.0074172,-0.0055976,-0.0009906
Russian_Pinega,0.1248257,0.0636397,0.0945317,0.07752,0.02185,0.023241,0.0118287,0.0146147,0.0013637,-0.0311623,0.007091,-0.0119397,0.0239343,0.011331,-0.0102243,-0.0037567,-0.0039987,-0.0022803,-0.0051957,-0.001042,0.0076117,-0.0001233,0.0019717,-0.0024097,0.0020753
Russian_Pinezhsky,0.1240672,0.0625564,0.0922436,0.0802332,0.0189572,0.0216418,0.0082252,0.0146762,9e-04,-0.0323286,0.0090614,-0.016785,0.0205152,0.00567,-0.011645,-0.0029966,0.0019298,-0.0025084,0.0007794,0.005903,0.0083604,0.0008656,-0.0001972,0.0022172,0.0052926
Russian_Pskov,0.1299207,0.1192521,0.0805959,0.0747053,0.0381609,0.0255783,0.0118847,0.0148676,0.0002339,-0.0294961,4.64e-05,-0.013124,0.0191347,0.02605,-0.0072126,0.000322,0.0057743,-0.0042713,0.0001974,0.003162,-0.0022817,-0.0041336,0.0043666,-0.008366,0.0016421
Russian_Ryazan,0.1277666,0.1100158,0.0704272,0.0640886,0.0300312,0.0225669,0.0105558,0.0115188,-0.0036304,-0.02322,0.0002164,-0.0085049,0.0161296,0.0211138,-0.0127125,-0.0020661,0.0063562,-0.0022276,0.0009218,-0.0003544,-0.0054591,-0.0031635,0.0050017,-0.0023998,-6.98e-05
Russian_Smolensk,0.1321866,0.1242332,0.0715021,0.0654613,0.0393098,0.0252119,0.0112963,0.0128609,-0.0008043,-0.0248328,-0.0043845,-0.0082727,0.0169473,0.0282951,-0.0114004,-0.0060019,-0.0011734,-0.0019847,0.0029749,0.001951,-0.0025871,-0.0048471,0.0049217,-0.0059365,0.0017243
Russian_Tver,0.1296159,0.105869,0.0766026,0.0672244,0.0324289,0.0251699,0.009312,0.0125765,-0.0042438,-0.0264926,0.0009541,-0.0096478,0.0168171,0.0219511,-0.010162,0.0018729,0.0061605,-0.000206,-0.0001885,0.0021885,-0.0032286,-0.0048379,0.0087042,-0.0032685,-0.002305
Russian_Yaroslavl,0.1308963,0.1056153,0.0817097,0.0732133,0.0315953,0.0195223,0.0108887,0.0069997,-0.001159,-0.027457,-0.0004327,-0.0091417,0.016303,0.021882,-0.014115,-0.0017233,0.0043463,-0.0002113,0.0005447,0.0042103,-0.0065713,-0.0039567,-0.000986,-0.0014057,0.0025547

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Re: Русские G25
« Ответ #58 : 16 Февраль 2024, 18:06:46 »
Поделюсь результатами G25 (мои и моей жены)

https://sun9-78.userapi.com/impg/hxKz9cBnzQB1TQtfmBs0KP199MrlqG3UnbEc9A/iPj_NdQCcDQ.jpg?size=1136x2160&quality=96&sign=97497c7c2e83de07d1474c4334263acf&type=album

Регион происхождения предков
У меня:
Рязанская губ., Зарайский у.
Воронежская губ., Нижнедевицкий у.
Вятская губ., Уржумский у.
Полтавская губ., Хорольский у.

У жены:
Курская губ., Рыльский у.
Курская губ., Льговский у.
Курская губ., Старооскольский у.
Курская губ., Рыльский у.

У меня в целом получилась некоторая близость к югу центральной России, но в остальном без конкретики (разве что на фоне жены бо́льшая близость к эрянам и северным русским). У жены максимум пришелся на северную Украину, Беларусь и восточную Польшу и лишь немного на запад России.
Однако в отличие от шкал, опция Multi в обоих случаях выдала какие-то рандомные результаты, которые у обоих уходят в сторону прибалтики и Польши

Для сравнения результаты генотека, откуда были взяты исходные файлы:

https://sun9-57.userapi.com/impg/hRtk91fPJter2KD9tSMeMC9ZU90BZOmwVnsA0w/LUdKUOUHbqE.jpg?size=828x1192&quality=96&sign=5f39cdb4bd40d6b4e8f0a2db94885a33&type=album

В отличие от G25, в моём случае он сконцентрировался на левобережной Украине (в количестве 2/3), западной России, Нижнем Новгороде и Тамбове. У жены показал некоторую близость к балтам и северной Украине, но в основном отнёс всё-таки к западным областям России. Судя по всему в её случае действительно можно говорить о каких-то западных/северо-западых переселенцах (не знаю насколько часто этот компонент встречается у курян), а у меня как-то выходит, что в разных сервисах аутосомный результат коррелирует с происхождением разных предков :)

Cобственно координаты, если в дальнейшем кто-то будет ещё что-нибудь опробовать:

Иван,0.13051197288800007,0.10984659672400002,0.07474860595900001,0.067001481454,0.031530283191399985,0.02348122478306,0.005689943053000051,0.008316452383000123,-0.004261552906000167,-0.026664427059999826,-0.00010871214427599999,-0.009409821730999968,0.017673463218999996,0.019076636153000037,-0.012696987723999967,-0.004345948586999939,0.0020088279200000374,-0.002045979618000097,0.00015339160999996895,0.0007555258476000088,-0.003885687283999883,-0.0019739632080001557,0.005563591568000022,-0.005759627717000034,-0.0003057522610002616
Елена,0.13345624405500012,0.128986386119,0.06936938079420003,0.062901040655,0.0399816857464,0.026134749067579996,0.009420575094999986,0.012550532480000064,-0.0068682290100001205,-0.024311207899999732,-0.004343694109772,-0.008960661750000045,0.01411549716799997,0.03378911535000044,-0.00875388026999998,-0.00555328759500001,-0.0014110228700001635,-0.001064394239999971,0.003011931609999986,0.0018887655648000042,-0.003958328119999785,-0.008707816190000115,0.007075345029999982,-0.005587408275000024,0.001394735149999781

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Re: Русские G25
« Ответ #59 : 21 Февраль 2024, 19:31:26 »
Добрый день!

Я занимаюсь ДНК-исследованием гуслицких родов (дворцовая Гуслицкая волость, ныне юго-восток Подмосковья). Накоплен значительный материал по местным аутосомам, для всех участников проекта сделаны координаты G25 (фейковые). Пятеро участников отличаются практически "эталонным" местным происхождением, т.е. все их предки происходят из деревень Гуслицкой волости.
На основе этих пятерых респондентов я высчитал средние координаты G25, вот они:
Guslitsa_Average,0.130420,0.116919,0.073549,0.064518,0.036707,0.023995,0.010246,0.014098,-0.001815,-0.023312,-0.001044,-0.009472,0.016255,0.018412,-0.011730,-0.000804,0.000415,-0.000800,0.001706,0.000316,-0.003890,-0.002642,0.005498,-0.003376,0.000069   

Следуя заветам уважаемого Andvari, прогнал координаты через его калькулятор. В неолите вижу близость к шнуровикам. В Бронзе - к пост-шнуровикам и балтам.

По мере поступления новых данных координаты можно будет уточнять, но вряд ли они сильно изменятся. Также планируется постепенное приобретение настоящих (не фейковых) координат.

Вопрос: насколько такой подход вообще научен? Может быть я допускаю дилетантскую ошибку и средние значения вообще высчитываются иным образом?

 

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