Hi guys, R1a-Z280-YP951-YP4532* from China

[Mich Glitch]

lndy980112,

One more proposal.
I suggest you to explain the case (with YFull and STR data) to Igor Rozhanskii ( igorrozhanskii@gmail.com ).

[Farroukh]

I can post his Y-STR matches from FTDNA database in 2 days. It takes some time.
Slavic subclade in China has many scenarios. In this case it seems to be footprint of Mongolian expulsion politics of their empire period. Many people from Eastern Europe were moved to Mongolia and that is the one of the paths.

[lndy980112]

Thank you for all your warm help, dear friends.

[Farroukh]

Dear Indy,
I compared your 37 markers with FTDNA database. For lost values (DYS458 and DYS576 I filled typical ones, 17 and 16).
You have two close matches (kitnum E14123 from Germany and kitnum N21955 from Denmark). Your genetic distance per 37 markers is 7.
Your paternal ancestry seems to be German. You can find more info in Wikipedia about early contacts between China and German-speaking countries in 16-17 century.
Hope it helps you to find deeper roots

[lndy980112]

Dear Indy,
I compared your 37 markers with FTDNA database. For lost values (DYS458 and DYS576 I filled typical ones, 17 and 16).
You have two close matches (kitnum E14123 from Germany and kitnum N21955 from Denmark). Your genetic distance per 37 markers is 7.
Your paternal ancestry seems to be German. You can find more info in Wikipedia about early contacts between China and German-speaking countries in 16-17 century.
Hope it helps you to find deeper roots

Mr.Farroukh thanks for you advice.

[Farroukh]

You are welcome!
According to GD=7 with German guys your most recent common ancestor (MRCA) lived more than 15 generations ago (~450 years, 16th century).

Your mtDNA haplogroup is M (like mine). You are the third person at this party with that haplogroup

[Mich Glitch]

According to GD=7 with German guys your most recent common ancestor (MRCA) lived more than 15 generations ago (~450 years, 16th century).

Certainly not.   
It's about 44 generations ago.
At least!

Here is the proof:

TMRCA Calculator
This program calculates the probability that two people have a certain number of generations between them, based on the standard infinite alleles formula of Walsh. It calculates both the probability of being at an exact number of "transmission events" between a certain pair of people and the cumulative probability that the actual number of transmission events is less than a certain value. It can list both result types in a table, or graph either type. In either case the horizontal axis stops at the point where the cumulative probability reaches 97.5% or 10 generations, whichever is longer. Note that the number of transmission events is essentially twice the number of generations back to the MRCA (Most Recent Common Ancestor).

Suggested values for the average mutation rate per marker per generation are given below. These are estimates from all available sources by the author as of October, 2006 and except for the FTDNA 12 set are still not very well determined. The SNP rates are particularly poorly known. More up to date estimates can sometimes be found in the Rootsweb genealogy-dna mailing list archives.

FTDNA Y‑12 STR    0.0020       SMGF STR set (no 464)     0.0021       mtDNA complete genome    3·10^‑6
FTDNA Y‑25 STR   0.0023   All 118 available Y STR      0.0025   autosomal, X, and Y SNPs   1·10^‑8
FTDNA Y‑37 STR   0.0033   mtDNA HVR     2·10^‑5
FTDNA Y‑67 STR   0.0028   mtDNA coding     2·10^‑6



37    Number of markers         
30    Number of markers that match


0.0033    Mutation Rate


Tr. Event.    Probability   Cumulative
        1         0.00000        0.000
        2         0.00000        0.000
        3         0.00000        0.000
        4         0.00000        0.000
        5         0.00000        0.000
        6         0.00000        0.000
        7         0.00000        0.000
        8         0.00000        0.000
        9         0.00001        0.000
      10         0.00001        0.000
      11         0.00003        0.000
      12         0.00004        0.000
      13         0.00006        0.000
      14         0.00010        0.000
      15         0.00014        0.000
      16         0.00020        0.001
      17         0.00027        0.001
      18         0.00036        0.001
      19         0.00048        0.002
      20         0.00061        0.002
      21         0.00077        0.003
      22         0.00095        0.004
      23         0.00117        0.005
      24         0.00141        0.007
      25         0.00168        0.008
      26         0.00197        0.010
      27         0.00230        0.013
      28         0.00266        0.015
      29         0.00304        0.018
      30         0.00346        0.022
      31         0.00389        0.026
      32         0.00435        0.030
      33         0.00484        0.035
      34         0.00534        0.040
      35         0.00586        0.046
      36         0.00639        0.052
      37         0.00693        0.059
      38         0.00748        0.067
      39         0.00804        0.075
      40         0.00859        0.083
      41         0.00915        0.093
      42         0.00970        0.102
      43         0.01024        0.113
      44         0.01077        0.123
      45         0.01129        0.135
      46         0.01179        0.146
      47         0.01228        0.159
      48         0.01274        0.171
      49         0.01318        0.185
      50         0.01360        0.198
      51         0.01399        0.212
      52         0.01436        0.227
      53         0.01469        0.241
      54         0.01500        0.256
      55         0.01527        0.271
      56         0.01552        0.287
      57         0.01573        0.303
      58         0.01592        0.319
      59         0.01607        0.335
      60         0.01619        0.351
      61         0.01628        0.367
      62         0.01634        0.384
      63         0.01637        0.400
      64         0.01637        0.416
      65         0.01634        0.433
      66         0.01629        0.449
      67         0.01621        0.465
      68         0.01611        0.481
      69         0.01598        0.497
      70         0.01583        0.513
      71         0.01566        0.529
      72         0.01547        0.544
      73         0.01526        0.559
      74         0.01504        0.574
      75         0.01480        0.589
      76         0.01454        0.604
      77         0.01428        0.618
      78         0.01400        0.632
      79         0.01371        0.646
      80         0.01341        0.659
      81         0.01310        0.672
      82         0.01279        0.685
      83         0.01247        0.698
      84         0.01215        0.710
      85         0.01183        0.722
      86         0.01150        0.733
      87         0.01117        0.744
      88         0.01084        0.755
      89         0.01051        0.766
      90         0.01018        0.776
      91         0.00985        0.786
      92         0.00953        0.795
      93         0.00921        0.804
      94         0.00889        0.813
      95         0.00858        0.822
      96         0.00827        0.830
      97         0.00796        0.838
      98         0.00767        0.846
      99         0.00737        0.853
    100         0.00709        0.860
    101         0.00681        0.867
    102         0.00654        0.874
    103         0.00627        0.880
    104         0.00601        0.886
    105         0.00576        0.892
    106         0.00551        0.897
    107         0.00527        0.902
 
1 generation -= 2 transition events.

[Mich Glitch]

More probable about 30 generations ago:

[lndy980112]

привет!
I recently did a Wegene test(similar to 23andme) for my dad. His mt DNA is also M, M7b1a1h.

[Mich Glitch]

привет!
I recently did a Wegene test(similar to 23andme) for my dad. His mt DNA is also M, M7b1a1h.

What about his ethnicity results? Any surprises? Or 100% typical?

[Francois]

His mt DNA is also M, M7b1a1h.

Is his direct maternal line from southern China ?

[lndy980112]

привет!
I recently did a Wegene test(similar to 23andme) for my dad. His mt DNA is also M, M7b1a1h.

What about his ethnicity results? Any surprises? Or 100% typical?

Yes, no surprise I think. 98.65% Northern Han, 1.31 Inuit. Even at DNA.LAND, I have a 1.6 Mid-Turkic (belong to Western Europe) and he does not, he only has 1.1 East Turkic.

[lndy980112]

His mt DNA is also M, M7b1a1h.

Is his direct maternal line from southern China ?

M7b is widely distributed in southern China, but my grandmother comes from a village in southern Luoyang, Henan, which belongs to northern China.

[lndy980112]

         
CTS3402 (R1a1a1b1a2b3) has recently added one Chinese sample.
At present, there are 37,000 samples, CTS3402 have 5people, three Chinese, my father and I, "李" and two foreigners. "Juntke" belongs to R1a1a1b1a2b3d, YP314.
R1a1a1b1-Z283+ have all 19 samples,It looks like 5 foreigners 14 Chinese. Maybe “李” have the same downstream with me, but I can't contact him yet. I hope I can contact him oneday and compare our STRs first.

[lndy980112]

Привет!
YP340 from Kyrgyz, very interesting, what do you think about this?