Hi guys, R1a-Z280-YP951-YP4532* from China

[lndy980112]

Glad to see you guys on the forum. Because I can't speak Russian, it seems that I can only post here.
I come from central China -Luoyang, Henan(and it also typical northern area) and I am Han.
In the past few months, I completed my YDNA test, and my Y-DNA is R1a-Z280-YP951-YP4532*.
I have joined YFULL, my ID is ELT50012, and I find that only very few people are the same branches as me, they come from Poland or Ukraine
I'll try to join FTDNA in the future. Thanks!

[Mich Glitch]

Wow! It's so amazing.
Do you have any hypothesis how it's possible?

[Mich Glitch]

Honestly, I suppose some of your paternal ancestors  was from Russian Empire. Something about 18th-19th centuries. And he was Slavic by origin (i.e. Polish, or Ukrainian, or Russian).

[lndy980112]

Honestly, I suppose some of your paternal ancestors  was from Russian Empire. Something about 18th-19th centuries. And he was Slavic by origin (i.e. Polish, or Ukrainian, or Russian).

Before I do this test, I will think that I am O or C (the most common in China), and I have no idea about my ancestors. But my autosome-99.59% North Han. So I don't think my ancestor came to China in modern times.

[Пашкевич Павел]

What can you tell about the oldest known ancestor of his paternal line ?
It is possible that your ancestor was one of the participants in the Cossack conquest of Siberia in the 15-16th century. Gradually, the descendants spread further and further.
therefore, the ethnic trace of Eastern Europe in the autosomes disappeared.
Hope, your cousins will be tested in future)

[lndy980112]

What can you tell about the oldest known ancestor of his paternal line ?
It is possible that your ancestor was one of the participants in the Cossack conquest of Siberia in the 15-16th century. Gradually, the descendants spread further and further.
therefore, the ethnic trace of Eastern Europe in the autosomes disappeared.
Hope, your cousins will be tested in future)

All I know is to my grandfather. I was born in 1998, so I know little about my family history. I heard from our elders that we have lived in a rural area of Luoyang for at least a few hundred years. I think my ancestors also may be related to the Mongolia Empire, too.

Thank you！ I also hope that more and more YP4532 will join in the future.

[TK]

To me this case reminds YF10484 (it is R1a-L1029-FGC66333 - but also China) - it similarly has the nearest ancestors in Poland.
See also https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?11982-Chinese-L1029&s=cae58b312a63a3dbd34d2fe042f14bde&p=286986&viewfull=1#post286986

[lndy980112]

To me this case reminds YF10484 (it is R1a-L1029-FGC66333 - but also China) - it similarly has the nearest ancestors in Poland.
See also https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?11982-Chinese-L1029&s=cae58b312a63a3dbd34d2fe042f14bde&p=286986&viewfull=1#post286986

Thank you. I know him. He's a Hui. He has joined YFULL for a while, and his TMRCA matches much more and closer than mine, (I think maybe because L1029 does a lot of DNA testers and YP951 isn't?). His branch seems to be a West Slavs. He believed that his ancestor was most likely (or even sure) to be Semu.
But I am not sure about the information of my ancestors.

[Mich Glitch]

OK. What I can suggest for you.
You already have some STR markers in your YFull account. Take all of them that correspond Y- 111 FTDNA panel and publish here.
Maybe some of our R1a haplogroup guru could tell you the nearest genetic cousins.

[Evgeny Kolchugin]

All I know is to my grandfather. I was born in 1998, so I know little about my family history. I heard from our elders that we have lived in a rural area of Luoyang for at least a few hundred years.

Would you like to test any of your distant male relatives sharing your patriilineage? It may shed more light...

[lndy980112]

OK. What I can suggest for you.
You already have some STR markers in your YFull account. Take all of them that correspond Y- 111 FTDNA panel and publish here.
Maybe some of our R1a haplogroup guru could tell you the nearest genetic cousins.

DYS393
13.c
DYS390
25
DYS19
16
DYS391
10
DYS385.1
11
DYS385.2
14
DYS426
12
DYS388
12
DYS439
10
DYS389I
13
DYS392
11
DYS389II
30
DYS458
—
DYS459.1
9
DYS459.2
10
DYS455
11
DYS454
11
DYS447
23
DYS437
14
DYS448
19
DYS449
33
DYS464.1
13
DYS464.2
14
DYS464.3
15
DYS464.4
15
DYS460
11
Y-GATA-H4
12
YCAII.1
19
YCAII.2
23
DYS456
16
DYS607
15
DYS576
—
DYS570
20
CDY.1
34
CDY.2
35
DYS442
12
DYS438
11
DYS531
11
DYS578
9
DYF395.1
17
DYF395.2
17
DYS590
8
DYS537
12
DYS641
10
DYS472
8
DYF406
11
DYS511
10
DYS425
12
DYS413.1
21
DYS413.2
22
DYS557
15
DYS594
10
DYS436
12
DYS490
12
DYS534
13
DYS450
8
DYS444
14
DYS481
23
DYS520
21
DYS446
13
DYS617
—
DYS568
11
DYS487
13
DYS572
11
DYS640
11
DYS492
12
DYS565
13
DYS710
—
DYS485
15
DYS632
9
DYS495
15
DYS540
12
DYS714
—
DYS716
—
DYS717
19
DYS505
14
DYS556
—
DYS549
13
DYS589
—
DYS522
10
DYS494
9
DYS533
12
DYS636
11
DYS575
—
DYS638
11
DYS462
11
DYS452
30
DYS445
12
Y-GATA-A10
13
DYS463
24
DYS441
—
Y-GGAAT-1B07
10
DYS525
10
DYS712
19
DYS593
15
DYS650
—
DYS532
11
DYS715
22
DYS504
13
DYS513
12
DYS561
15
DYS552
24
DYS726
12
DYS635
23
DYS587
19
DYS643
10
DYS497
16
DYS510
17
DYS434
9
DYS461
11
DYS435
11


Thank you. The BAM file analysis Y-GATA-H4=11,389(1)=14, but I previously tested STR data separately,These two values are different from those on YFULL（So I think maybe some of the STR data obtained through the BAM file is wrong?）. They were 12 and 13 respectively. I have made changes in the above.

[lndy980112]

All I know is to my grandfather. I was born in 1998, so I know little about my family history. I heard from our elders that we have lived in a rural area of Luoyang for at least a few hundred years.

Would you like to test any of your distant male relatives sharing your patriilineage? It may shed more light...

There are not many people in our family. And they all thought that their ancestors were native Chinese and it was too difficult to change their thinking. However, I will prepare to do some DNA tests (maybe STR tests) to distant relatives in the future.

[Evgeny Kolchugin]

With millions and millions direct ancestors, it's difficult to keep them all in the borders of a single country...)) However, I agree, it's difficult to change habitual thinking.
By the way, regarding your YFull number ELT50012CH. I wonder which lab you were tested in? Was it a part of any research program or private testing?

[lndy980112]

With millions and millions direct ancestors, it's difficult to keep them all in the borders of a single country...)) However, I agree, it's difficult to change habitual thinking.
By the way, regarding your YFull number ELT50012CH. I wonder which lab you were tested in? Was it a part of any research program or private testing?

I tested in a Chinese company named Enlighten.
This is a new company that faces personal SNP testing. The quality seems to be good（It seems better than BIGY, slightly worse than FGC）:
SNPs (all): 118564
Positive: 2631 (2.22%)
Negative: 103853 (87.59%)
Ambiguous: 168 (0.14%)
No call: 9361 (7.90)

I had spent about 230 dollars. It needs about 310 dollars now. Now only serving in China.

[lndy980112]

With millions and millions direct ancestors, it's difficult to keep them all in the borders of a single country...)) However, I agree, it's difficult to change habitual thinking.
By the way, regarding your YFull number ELT50012CH. I wonder which lab you were tested in? Was it a part of any research program or private testing?

In China, many people regard their ancestors as great men like emperors, generals, and ministers. I think only the DNA test can prove this. But now, people's understanding of DNA testing is just beginning.