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Re: Оракул для Eurogenes K-36.
« Ответ #810 : 04 Март 2022, 15:30:11 »
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Да можно посмотреть, но Вы хотя бы скажите, кого пробиваете, откуда предки. Нам тоже интересно, как калькулятор отклоняется.
ну если такая жара пошла, можно просчитать FY3591197. О предках все расскажу :), по отцовской линии русские бессарабцы( липоване), да и местные украинцы.,а так же часть с Полесья Житомирская и Ровненская обл. и так же переселенцы с Курской обл. (Тимский и Обоянский уезды)в Херсонскую губ. По материнской линии Кировоградская обл. все сельские жители, из села где и укр. и русские фамилии, а так же переселенцы с Могилевской губ, а так же из села возле городка Малые Виски, там много переселенцев с Молдавии, да и фамилия подходящая Волошины, внешность у матери и ее родни, очень смуглые и чернявые. Короче , просто интересно, что выдаст калькулятор ???
Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_Central @ 11.73481
2 Russian_Voronezh @ 11.995464
3 PL_South_Poland @ 12.165239
4 PL_average @ 12.299714
5 PL_Upper_Silesia @ 12.347662
6 Ukrainian_East @ 12.530998
7 Russian_Oryol @ 12.547924
8 Russian_Kursk @ 12.771912
9 PL_Mazovia @ 12.906965
10 Carpathian_Rusyns @ 12.927698
11 Russian_Don_Cossack @ 12.933798
12 Sorb_Lusatia @ 12.99086
13 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 13.036871
14 Russian_Smolensk @ 13.147232
15 Belarusian_Polesye @ 13.292926
16 Belarusian_West @ 13.391254
17 PL_Wielkopolska @ 13.510545
18 Russian_Tambov @ 13.733477
19 Pl_north @ 13.962154
20 Slovak @ 14.119159
221 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Russian_Voronezh+Carpathian_Rusyns @ 11.214554
2 Russian_Kursk+Carpathian_Rusyns @ 11.242706
3 Russian_Voronezh+PL_South_Poland @ 11.339843
4 Russian_Voronezh+Sorb_Lusatia @ 11.431429
5 Russian_Smolensk+Carpathian_Rusyns @ 11.47843
6 Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_Central @ 11.483748
7 Russian_Voronezh+PL_Upper_Silesia @ 11.484077
8 Russian_Kursk+Sorb_Lusatia @ 11.48784
9 Russian_Meshtchyora+Carpathian_Rusyns @ 11.489281
10 Russian_Kursk+PL_South_Poland @ 11.51373
11 Ukrainian_Central+Sorb_Lusatia @ 11.531622
12 Ukrainian_East+Sorb_Lusatia @ 11.571883
13 Russian_Oryol+Carpathian_Rusyns @ 11.58602
14 Russian_Smolensk+Sorb_Lusatia @ 11.621064
15 Ukrainian_Central+PL_South_Poland @ 11.638495
16 Russian_Oryol+Sorb_Lusatia @ 11.652986
17 Ukrainian_Central+PL_Upper_Silesia @ 11.674614
18 Russian_Kursk+PL_Upper_Silesia @ 11.686771
19 Russian_Oryol+PL_South_Poland @ 11.692174
20 Russian_Smolensk+PL_South_Poland @ 11.702461
24531 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% PL_Sudovia +25% Erzya @ 10.898455
2 50% Russian_Voronezh +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% Sorb_Lusatia @ 11.112523
3 50% Russian_Voronezh +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% Pl_north @ 11.114846
4 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% Sorb_Lusatia @ 11.155749
5 50% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% PL_Sudovia @ 11.177731
6 50% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Erzya @ 11.182529
7 50% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% Russian_Kursk +25% Russian_Voronezh @ 11.183397
8 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% Pl_north @ 11.19261
9 50% Russian_Voronezh +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% Ukrainian_Central @ 11.197662
10 50% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% PL_Sudovia @ 11.205894
11 50% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% Pl_north +25% Erzya @ 11.208803
12 50% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% Russian_Kursk +25% Pl_north @ 11.212861
13 50% Russian_Voronezh +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% Carpathian_Rusyns @ 11.214554
14 50% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% Russian_Kursk +25% PL_Sudovia @ 11.220335
15 50% Russian_Voronezh +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% PL_South_Poland @ 11.223649
16 50% Ukrainian_Central +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% Sorb_Lusatia @ 11.225644
17 50% Russian_Voronezh +25% Ukrainian_Central +25% Sorb_Lusatia @ 11.234459
18 50% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% Erzya @ 11.237629
19 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% Carpathian_Rusyns @ 11.242706
20 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Serbian +25% Erzya @ 11.246983
4895429 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Carpathian_Rusyns+Carpathian_Rusyns+PL_Sudovia+Erzya @ 10.898455
2 Carpathian_Rusyns+PL_Sudovia+Erzya+Sorb_Lusatia @ 11.060205
3 Carpathian_Rusyns+PL_Sudovia+PL_South_Poland+Erzya @ 11.067361
4 Russian_Kursk+Russian_Voronezh+Carpathian_Rusyns+Sorb_Lusatia @ 11.08853
5 Russian_Kursk+Russian_Voronezh+Carpathian_Rusyns+Pl_north @ 11.108249
6 Russian_Voronezh+Russian_Voronezh+Carpathian_Rusyns+Sorb_Lusatia @ 11.112523
7 Russian_Voronezh+Russian_Voronezh+Carpathian_Rusyns+Pl_north @ 11.114846
8 Russian_Voronezh+Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Central+Pl_north @ 11.130009
9 Carpathian_Rusyns+PL_Sudovia+PL_Upper_Silesia+Erzya @ 11.134425
10 Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk+Carpathian_Rusyns+Sorb_Lusatia @ 11.155749
11 Russian_Voronezh+Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_East+Pl_north @ 11.168998
12 Russian_Kursk+Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Central+Pl_north @ 11.171976
13 Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Voronezh+Carpathian_Rusyns+Sorb_Lusatia @ 11.174155
14 Russian_Meshtchyora+Carpathian_Rusyns+Carpathian_Rusyns+PL_Sudovia @ 11.177731
15 Carpathian_Rusyns+Carpathian_Rusyns+PL_Mazovia+Erzya @ 11.182529
16 Russian_Voronezh+Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Central+Sorb_Lusatia @ 11.183089
17 Moldavian+Carpathian_Rusyns+PL_Sudovia+Erzya @ 11.18311
18 Russian_Kursk+Russian_Voronezh+Carpathian_Rusyns+Carpathian_Rusyns @ 11.183397
19 Serbian+PL_Sudovia+Pl_north+Erzya @ 11.187109
20 Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk+Carpathian_Rusyns+Pl_north @ 11.19261
21 Russian_Voronezh+Russian_Voronezh+Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Central @ 11.197662
22 Russian_Voronezh+Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_East+Sorb_Lusatia @ 11.198553
23 Russian_Kursk+Russian_Smolensk+Carpathian_Rusyns+Sorb_Lusatia @ 11.201226
24 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Central+Pl_north+Erzya @ 11.204164
25 Russian_Voronezh+Carpathian_Rusyns+Carpathian_Rusyns+PL_Sudovia @ 11.205894
26 Russian_Kursk+Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Central+Sorb_Lusatia @ 11.207647
27 Carpathian_Rusyns+Carpathian_Rusyns+Pl_north+Erzya @ 11.208803
28 Russian_Kursk+Carpathian_Rusyns+Carpathian_Rusyns+Pl_north @ 11.212861
29 Russian_Voronezh+Russian_Voronezh+Carpathian_Rusyns+Carpathian_Rusyns @ 11.214554
30 Russian_Meshtchyora+Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Central+Pl_north @ 11.214887
31 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Central+PL_Sudovia+Erzya @ 11.216884
32 Russian_Kursk+Carpathian_Rusyns+Carpathian_Rusyns+PL_Sudovia @ 11.220335
33 Russian_Voronezh+Russian_Voronezh+Carpathian_Rusyns+PL_South_Poland @ 11.223649
34 Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central+Sorb_Lusatia @ 11.225644
35 Serbian+PL_Sudovia+PL_Mazovia+Erzya @ 11.229045
36 Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Voronezh+Carpathian_Rusyns+Pl_north @ 11.22939
37 Russian_Kursk+Russian_Voronezh+Carpathian_Rusyns+PL_South_Poland @ 11.229776
38 Russian_Kursk+Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_East+Pl_north @ 11.230642
39 Russian_Voronezh+Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_Central+Sorb_Lusatia @ 11.234459
40 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_East+Pl_north+Erzya @ 11.23582
92018786 iterations.


Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0.130062

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Belarusian_Polesye @ 3.767202
2 Russian_Kursk @ 3.968112
3 PL_Mazovia @ 4.042038
4 PL_Wielkopolska @ 4.074119
5 Russian_Oryol @ 4.134378
6 Ukrainian_East @ 4.20316
7 PL_average @ 4.208602
8 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 4.252808
9 Belarusian_West @ 4.254703
10 Pl_north @ 4.289641
11 Belarusian_East @ 4.339997
12 Ukrainian_Central @ 4.362037
13 PL_Upper_Silesia @ 4.366426
14 Sorb_Lusatia @ 4.37763
15 Russian_Smolensk @ 4.424195
16 PL_South_Poland @ 4.476522
17 Russian_Voronezh @ 4.514176
18 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 4.523611
19 Russian_Bryansk @ 4.566772
20 Russian_Tambov @ 4.677458
221 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye @ 3.767202
2 PL_Sudovia+PL_Wielkopolska @ 3.779177
3 Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Sudovia @ 3.817259
4 Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Wielkopolska @ 3.822855
5 Ukrainian_East+PL_Sudovia @ 3.823351
6 Russian_Kursk+PL_Wielkopolska @ 3.843451
7 Belarusian_Polesye+Pl_north @ 3.865148
8 Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Mazovia @ 3.868929
9 PL_Sudovia+Sorb_Lusatia @ 3.888539
10 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Kursk @ 3.894358
11 Belarusian_East+PL_Wielkopolska @ 3.902347
12 PL_Sudovia+PL_Upper_Silesia @ 3.925806
13 Ukrainian_East+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 3.933015
14 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_East @ 3.93573
15 Ukrainian_East+Pl_north @ 3.937757
16 Russian_Kursk+PL_Mazovia @ 3.946514
17 Ukrainian_Central+PL_Sudovia @ 3.951857
18 PL_Wielkopolska+Pl_north @ 3.956341
19 Ukrainian_East+PL_Wielkopolska @ 3.960206
20 Russian_Oryol+PL_Wielkopolska @ 3.964324
24531 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Belarusian_Polesye +25% PL_Sudovia +25% PL_Wielkopolska @ 3.680859
2 50% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% PL_Sudovia @ 3.689773
3 50% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% PL_Sudovia @ 3.696386
4 50% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Russian_Kursk +25% PL_Sudovia @ 3.756379
5 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% PL_Wielkopolska @ 3.759266
6 50% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Ukrainian_East +25% PL_Sudovia @ 3.759726
7 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Ukrainian_East @ 3.763451
8 50% Belarusian_Polesye +25% PL_Sudovia +25% Sorb_Lusatia @ 3.770978
9 50% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Pl_north @ 3.772934
10 50% Belarusian_Polesye +25% PL_Sudovia +25% PL_Mazovia @ 3.773191
11 50% PL_Sudovia +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% PL_Wielkopolska @ 3.779177
12 50% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% PL_Wielkopolska @ 3.780287
13 50% Belarusian_Polesye +25% PL_Sudovia +25% Pl_north @ 3.787539
14 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Ukrainian_East +25% PL_Wielkopolska @ 3.792221
15 50% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Belarusian_East +25% PL_Sudovia @ 3.794572
16 50% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Ukrainian_East +25% PL_Sudovia @ 3.803763
17 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Sorb_Lusatia @ 3.807498
18 50% Ukrainian_East +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% PL_Sudovia @ 3.809759
19 50% Belarusian_Polesye +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Pl_north @ 3.811892
20 50% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Russian_Kursk +25% PL_Sudovia @ 3.81307
4165186 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Sudovia+PL_Wielkopolska @ 3.680859
2 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Sudovia @ 3.689773
3 Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Sudovia+PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska @ 3.696386
4 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_East+PL_Sudovia+PL_Wielkopolska @ 3.739709
5 Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Sudovia+PL_Sudovia+PL_Wielkopolska @ 3.759266
6 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_East+PL_Sudovia @ 3.759726
7 Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Sudovia+PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Mazovia @ 3.762107
8 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_East+PL_Sudovia+PL_Sudovia @ 3.763451
9 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye @ 3.767202
10 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Sudovia+Sorb_Lusatia @ 3.770978
11 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Pl_north @ 3.772934
12 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Sudovia+PL_Mazovia @ 3.773191
13 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Wielkopolska @ 3.780287
14 Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Sudovia+PL_Wielkopolska+Pl_north @ 3.781777
15 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Kursk+PL_Sudovia+PL_Wielkopolska @ 3.782252
16 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Sudovia+Pl_north @ 3.787539
17 Belarusian_East+PL_Sudovia+PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska @ 3.794572
18 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_East+PL_Sudovia+Pl_north @ 3.799934
19 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_East+PL_Sudovia+PL_Mazovia @ 3.807389
20 Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Sudovia+PL_Sudovia+Sorb_Lusatia @ 3.807498
21 Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Sudovia+PL_Wielkopolska+PL_SE_Carpathia @ 3.808455
22 Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Sudovia+PL_Wielkopolska+Sorb_Lusatia @ 3.809271
23 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_East+Ukrainian_East+PL_Sudovia @ 3.809759
24 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Wielkopolska+Pl_north @ 3.811892
25 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Kursk+PL_Sudovia @ 3.81307
26 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Mazovia @ 3.81426
27 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Sudovia+PL_SE_Carpathia @ 3.815036
28 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Sudovia+PL_Sudovia @ 3.817259
29 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska @ 3.822855
30 Belarusian_East+Ukrainian_East+PL_Sudovia+PL_Wielkopolska @ 3.825692
31 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Oryol+PL_Sudovia+PL_Wielkopolska @ 3.826438
32 Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Sudovia+PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Upper_Silesia @ 3.828908
33 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_Central+PL_Sudovia+PL_Wielkopolska @ 3.830439
34 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Sudovia+PL_Upper_Silesia @ 3.831109
35 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_East+PL_Sudovia+Sorb_Lusatia @ 3.834663
36 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Mazovia @ 3.834687
37 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Sudovia+PL_Wielkopolska @ 3.836424
38 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Kursk+PL_Wielkopolska @ 3.837656
39 Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Sudovia+PL_Wielkopolska+PL_average @ 3.837787
40 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_Central+PL_Sudovia @ 3.837954
84726092 iterations.

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Re: Оракул для Eurogenes K-36.
« Ответ #811 : 04 Март 2022, 16:36:44 »
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Цитата: andronn от Сегодня в 13:57:00
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Да можно посмотреть, но Вы хотя бы скажите, кого пробиваете, откуда предки. Нам тоже интересно, как калькулятор отклоняется.
ну если такая жара пошла, можно просчитать FY3591197. О предках все расскажу :), по отцовской линии русские бессарабцы( липоване), да и местные украинцы.,а так же часть с Полесья Житомирская и Ровненская обл. и так же переселенцы с Курской обл. (Тимский и Обоянский уезды)в Херсонскую губ. По материнской линии Кировоградская обл. все сельские жители, из села где и укр. и русские фамилии, а так же переселенцы с Могилевской губ, а так же из села возле городка Малые Виски, там много переселенцев с Молдавии, да и фамилия подходящая Волошины, внешность у матери и ее родни, очень смуглые и чернявые. Короче , просто интересно, что выдаст калькулятор ???
Least-squares method.
Большое спасибо! Думал там Балканы будут, но нет.
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Re: Оракул для Eurogenes K-36.
« Ответ #812 : 04 Март 2022, 16:39:23 »
Будьте добры - посмотрите пожалуйста через Least-squares method сэмпл  m021613 (это я - 50% южная Брянщины, 25% Липецкая обл, 25% южное Подмосковье)


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Re: Оракул для Eurogenes K-36.
« Ответ #813 : 04 Март 2022, 17:28:52 »
Будьте добры - посмотрите пожалуйста через Least-squares method сэмпл  m021613 (это я - 50% южная Брянщины, 25% Липецкая обл, 25% южное Подмосковье)
Least-squares method обычно фигню показывает с большой дистанцией. Смотрите по Гауссу те позиции, которые есть в Least-squares method
Смотрите туда, где меньше дистанция и имеется сходство по обоим методам.
Если по обоим методам полная каша, то у Вас мало сходства с рефенсными семплами. Тут только гадать.
Это по моим наблюдениям.

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 7.335898
2 Belarusian_East @ 7.522687
3 Russian_Bryansk @ 7.525568
4 Russian_Smolensk @ 8.332005
5 Russian_Novgorod_Pskov @ 8.791129
6 PL_Sudovia @ 8.918431
7 Lithuanian @ 8.988851
8 Latvian @ 9.095312
9 Russian_Center @ 9.106384
10 Belarusian_West @ 9.13495
11 Belarusian_Polesye @ 9.381543
12 Russian_Oryol @ 9.451367
13 Russian_Kursk @ 9.455461
14 Russian_Voronezh @ 9.845662
15 PL_Mazovia @ 10.166487
16 Russian_Don_Cossack @ 11.036129
17 Russian_Tambov @ 11.514665
18 Russian_Meshtchyora @ 11.686394
19 Ukrainian_Central @ 11.840977
20 Russian_Tver @ 12.0822
221 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Lithuanian+Russian_Don_Cossack @ 5.873564
2 Lithuanian+Russian_Oryol @ 5.903261
3 Lithuanian+Russian_Voronezh @ 6.129242
4 Lithuanian+Russian_Center @ 6.291259
5 Lithuanian+Russian_Bryansk @ 6.38194
6 Lithuanian+Russian_Smolensk @ 6.382501
7 Lithuanian+Belarusian_East @ 6.443883
8 Lithuanian+Russian_Kursk @ 6.472472
9 Lithuanian+Russian_Tambov @ 6.525947
10 Lithuanian+Belarusian_West @ 6.695648
11 Latvian+Russian_Bryansk @ 6.910929
12 Lithuanian+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 6.913426
13 Latvian+Belarusian_East @ 6.923805
14 Latvian+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 6.931773
15 Russian_Novgorod_Pskov+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 6.952619
16 Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Novgorod_Pskov @ 6.968878
17 Belarusian_East+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 6.98646
18 Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Central @ 6.992996
19 Latvian+Russian_Don_Cossack @ 7.007987
20 Lithuanian+Belarusian_Polesye @ 7.024148
24531 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanian +25% Russian_Bryansk +25% Russian_Don_Cossack @ 5.765564
2 50% Lithuanian +25% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Russian_Oryol @ 5.803701
3 50% Lithuanian +25% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Russian_Don_Cossack @ 5.873564
4 50% Lithuanian +25% Russian_Oryol +25% Russian_Oryol @ 5.903261
5 50% Lithuanian +25% Russian_Bryansk +25% Russian_Oryol @ 5.904776
6 50% Lithuanian +25% Russian_Center +25% Russian_Don_Cossack @ 5.91557
7 50% Lithuanian +25% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Russian_Voronezh @ 5.921297
8 50% Lithuanian +25% Belarusian_East +25% Russian_Don_Cossack @ 5.938546
9 50% Lithuanian +25% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Russian_Smolensk @ 5.944576
10 50% Lithuanian +25% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 5.958292
11 50% Lithuanian +25% Russian_Oryol +25% Russian_Voronezh @ 5.974453
12 50% Lithuanian +25% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Russian_Kursk @ 5.978084
13 50% Lithuanian +25% Russian_Bryansk +25% Russian_Voronezh @ 5.980701
14 50% Lithuanian +25% Russian_Center +25% Russian_Oryol @ 6.041389
15 50% Lithuanian +25% Russian_Bryansk +25% Russian_Tambov @ 6.047455
16 50% Lithuanian +25% Russian_Oryol +25% Russian_Smolensk @ 6.062051
17 50% Lithuanian +25% Belarusian_East +25% Russian_Oryol @ 6.063535
18 50% Lithuanian +25% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Russian_Tambov @ 6.086658
19 50% Lithuanian +25% Russian_Oryol +25% PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 6.096645
20 50% Lithuanian +25% Russian_Oryol +25% Russian_Tambov @ 6.116551
3974602 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Don_Cossack @ 5.765564
2 Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Oryol @ 5.803701
3 Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Don_Cossack @ 5.873564
4 Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Oryol @ 5.903261
5 Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Oryol @ 5.904776
6 Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Russian_Center+Russian_Don_Cossack @ 5.91557
7 Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Voronezh @ 5.921297
8 Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Belarusian_East+Russian_Don_Cossack @ 5.938546
9 Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Smolensk @ 5.944576
10 Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Russian_Don_Cossack+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 5.958292
11 Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Voronezh @ 5.974453
12 Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Kursk @ 5.978084
13 Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Voronezh @ 5.980701
14 Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Russian_Center+Russian_Oryol @ 6.041389
15 Latvian+Lithuanian+Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Don_Cossack @ 6.046828
16 Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Tambov @ 6.047455
17 Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Smolensk @ 6.062051
18 Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Belarusian_East+Russian_Oryol @ 6.063535
19 Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Tambov @ 6.086658
20 Latvian+Lithuanian+Russian_Don_Cossack+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 6.093374
21 Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Russian_Oryol+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 6.096645
22 Lithuanian+Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Oryol+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 6.099054
23 Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Tambov @ 6.116551
24 Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Russian_Center+Russian_Voronezh @ 6.11898
25 Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Center @ 6.125307
26 Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Russian_Voronezh+Russian_Voronezh @ 6.129242
27 Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Belarusian_East+Russian_Voronezh @ 6.131881
28 Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Belarusian_West+Russian_Don_Cossack @ 6.135145
29 Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Russian_Tambov+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 6.138841
30 Lithuanian+Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Center+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 6.1428
31 Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Oryol @ 6.150361
32 Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Kursk @ 6.152051
33 Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Voronezh @ 6.159188
34 Lithuanian+Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Smolensk+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 6.181978
35 Lithuanian+Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Don_Cossack+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 6.18278
36 Latvian+Lithuanian+Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Oryol @ 6.185321
37 Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Smolensk @ 6.191808
38 Lithuanian+Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Novgorod_Pskov @ 6.191971
39 Latvian+Lithuanian+Belarusian_East+Russian_Don_Cossack @ 6.199568
40 Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Belarusian_West+Russian_Oryol @ 6.200751
34070318 iterations.


Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0.130062

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Russian_Bryansk @ 3.688831
2 Russian_Oryol @ 3.730836
3 Russian_Smolensk @ 3.800904
4 Belarusian_East @ 3.894921
5 Belarusian_West @ 3.980176
6 Russian_Novgorod_Yaroslavl @ 4.082827
7 Russian_Kursk @ 4.103054
8 Russian_Center @ 4.126146
9 Russian_Tambov @ 4.1894
10 Russian_Voronezh @ 4.224751
11 Ukrainian_East @ 4.459812
12 PL_average @ 4.471191
13 Russian_Tver @ 4.523214
14 Ukrainian_Central @ 4.529615
15 Russian_Meshtchyora @ 4.58345
16 PL_Mazovia @ 4.585503
17 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 4.680953
18 PL_Upper_Silesia @ 4.747299
19 Russian_Don_Cossack @ 4.828786
20 Belarusian_Polesye @ 4.880348
221 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Lithuanian+Russian_Oryol @ 3.271937
2 Russian_Oryol+PL_Sudovia @ 3.441966
3 Latvian+Russian_Oryol @ 3.478814
4 Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Oryol @ 3.621233
5 Lithuanian+Russian_Tambov @ 3.664185
6 Russian_Oryol+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 3.665845
7 Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Bryansk @ 3.688831
8 Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Kursk @ 3.689803
9 Russian_Oryol+Russian_Oryol @ 3.730836
10 Russian_Oryol+Russian_Smolensk @ 3.744461
11 Lithuanian+Russian_Kursk @ 3.744469
12 Russian_Novgorod_Pskov+Russian_Oryol @ 3.749265
13 Lithuanian+Russian_Bryansk @ 3.75037
14 Russian_Kursk+PL_Sudovia @ 3.751388
15 Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Smolensk @ 3.757703
16 Belarusian_East+Russian_Oryol @ 3.783243
17 Russian_Center+PL_Sudovia @ 3.788508
18 Lithuanian+Russian_Smolensk @ 3.793127
19 Lithuanian+Russian_Voronezh @ 3.793901
20 Belarusian_East+Russian_Bryansk @ 3.794243
24531 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanian +25% Russian_Oryol +25% Russian_Oryol @ 3.271937
2 50% Lithuanian +25% Russian_Bryansk +25% Russian_Oryol @ 3.360061
3 50% Russian_Oryol +25% Latvian +25% Lithuanian @ 3.364002
4 50% Lithuanian +25% Russian_Oryol +25% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.435558
5 50% Lithuanian +25% Russian_Oryol +25% PL_Sudovia @ 3.442719
6 50% Lithuanian +25% Russian_Kursk +25% Russian_Oryol @ 3.4436
7 50% Russian_Oryol +25% Latvian +25% PL_Sudovia @ 3.445067
8 50% Lithuanian +25% Russian_Bryansk +25% Russian_Kursk @ 3.458484
9 50% Lithuanian +25% Latvian +25% Russian_Oryol @ 3.475257
10 50% Latvian +25% Russian_Oryol +25% Russian_Oryol @ 3.478814
11 50% Lithuanian +25% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Oryol @ 3.509354
12 50% Lithuanian +25% Russian_Center +25% Russian_Oryol @ 3.52315
13 50% Lithuanian +25% Belarusian_East +25% Russian_Oryol @ 3.523536
14 50% Russian_Oryol +25% Latvian +25% Russian_Bryansk @ 3.52871
15 50% Lithuanian +25% Russian_Oryol +25% Pl_Kashubians @ 3.531428
16 50% Latvian +25% Lithuanian +25% Russian_Oryol @ 3.534305
17 50% Latvian +25% Russian_Bryansk +25% Russian_Oryol @ 3.539716
18 50% Russian_Bryansk +25% Russian_Oryol +25% PL_Sudovia @ 3.543786
19 50% Lithuanian +25% Russian_Oryol +25% Russian_Tambov @ 3.545344
20 50% Russian_Oryol +25% Russian_Oryol +25% PL_Sudovia @ 3.545612
3810869 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Latvian+Lithuanian+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Oryol @ 3.364002
2 Latvian+Lithuanian+Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Oryol @ 3.4385
3 Latvian+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Oryol+PL_Sudovia @ 3.445067
4 Latvian+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Russian_Oryol @ 3.475257
5 Latvian+Latvian+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Oryol @ 3.478814
6 Latvian+Lithuanian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Oryol @ 3.494547
7 Latvian+Lithuanian+Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Kursk @ 3.503303
8 Latvian+Lithuanian+Russian_Oryol+PL_Sudovia @ 3.510113
9 Latvian+Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Oryol+PL_Sudovia @ 3.514171
10 Latvian+Lithuanian+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Smolensk @ 3.515073
11 Latvian+Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Oryol @ 3.52871
12 Latvian+Latvian+Lithuanian+Russian_Oryol @ 3.534305
13 Latvian+Latvian+Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Oryol @ 3.539716
14 Latvian+Lithuanian+Belarusian_East+Russian_Oryol @ 3.543492
15 Russian_Oryol+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Oryol+PL_Sudovia @ 3.545612
16 Latvian+Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Oryol @ 3.553816
17 Latvian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Oryol+PL_Sudovia @ 3.555565
18 Latvian+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Oryol @ 3.559801
19 Latvian+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Oryol+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 3.560988
20 Latvian+Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Kursk+PL_Sudovia @ 3.561966
21 Latvian+Lithuanian+Russian_Center+Russian_Oryol @ 3.570062
22 Latvian+Lithuanian+Belarusian_West+Russian_Oryol @ 3.571289
23 Latvian+Lithuanian+Russian_Novgorod_Yaroslavl+Russian_Oryol @ 3.588175
24 Latvian+Latvian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Oryol @ 3.590368
25 Latvian+Latvian+Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Kursk @ 3.590853
26 Latvian+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Smolensk+PL_Sudovia @ 3.592284
27 Latvian+Belarusian_East+Russian_Oryol+PL_Sudovia @ 3.593023
28 Latvian+Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Kursk @ 3.595358
29 Russian_Oryol+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Smolensk+PL_Sudovia @ 3.595611
30 Latvian+Latvian+Russian_Oryol+PL_Sudovia @ 3.596977
31 Latvian+Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Oryol @ 3.598439
32 Latvian+Lithuanian+Russian_Oryol+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 3.604631
33 Latvian+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Smolensk @ 3.608043
34 Russian_Novgorod_Pskov+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Oryol+PL_Sudovia @ 3.611183
35 Latvian+Lithuanian+Russian_Oryol+Pl_Kashubians @ 3.611958
36 Latvian+Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Smolensk @ 3.61543
37 Latvian+Latvian+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Smolensk @ 3.616306
38 Latvian+Latvian+Belarusian_East+Russian_Oryol @ 3.617325
39 Belarusian_East+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Oryol+PL_Sudovia @ 3.617882
40 Latvian+Russian_Center+Russian_Oryol+PL_Sudovia @ 3.619729
47243711 iterations.

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Re: Оракул для Eurogenes K-36.
« Ответ #814 : 04 Март 2022, 17:46:25 »
Благодарю!

Опять уклон в Прибалтику, что, впрочем, характерно для западных русских))

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Re: Оракул для Eurogenes K-36.
« Ответ #815 : 04 Март 2022, 17:51:54 »
Благодарю!

Опять уклон в Прибалтику, что, впрочем, характерно для западных русских))
А совпаденцы кто на первых страницах?

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Re: Оракул для Eurogenes K-36.
« Ответ #816 : 04 Март 2022, 18:53:07 »
Не, ну, в целом, всё коррелирует с бумажной родословной :)

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Re: Оракул для Eurogenes K-36.
« Ответ #817 : 04 Март 2022, 19:59:24 »
Не, ну, в целом, всё коррелирует с бумажной родословной :)
Просто наблюдение
Если есть в К36 проценты северного кавказа, то прибалтику в результатах можно игнорировать.
И Польшу тоже.

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Re: Оракул для Eurogenes K-36.
« Ответ #818 : 04 Март 2022, 20:30:17 »
Да, но та часть Польши, которая часто проскальзывает в К-36 у русских (Мазовия, например), судя по всему, геногеографически к ним очень близка. По сути, один "мета-кластер"

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Re: Оракул для Eurogenes K-36.
« Ответ #819 : 04 Март 2022, 20:31:29 »

Просто наблюдение
Если есть в К36 проценты северного кавказа, то прибалтику в результатах можно игнорировать.
И Польшу тоже.

Нет, Кавказа у меня нигде нет:(

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Re: Оракул для Eurogenes K-36.
« Ответ #820 : 05 Март 2022, 02:15:02 »

Просто наблюдение
Если есть в К36 проценты северного кавказа, то прибалтику в результатах можно игнорировать.
И Польшу тоже.

Нет, Кавказа у меня нигде нет:(
Я не про родственников, а про проценты, которые выдает Gedmatch в K36.

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Re: Оракул для Eurogenes K-36.
« Ответ #821 : 05 Март 2022, 13:22:39 »
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Просто наблюдение
Если есть в К36 проценты северного кавказа, то прибалтику в результатах можно игнорировать.
И Польшу тоже.
Ну если у моей мамы сев.кавказ 2.59 Pct, и при этом реально самые близкие кузены что на ФТНДА, что на МХ поляки и прибалты, как можно игнорировать ту же Польшу в результатах этого калькулятора?

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Re: Оракул для Eurogenes K-36.
« Ответ #822 : 05 Март 2022, 14:22:42 »
Нет, игнорировать нельзя, конечно же.
Вот статья ув. Олега Балановского, где отмечается близость разных популяций русских с белорусами, поляками и пр.

2015 г., правда, но, полагаю, с тех пор мало что изменилось в данном контексте:

http://xn--c1acc6aafa1c.xn--p1ai/?page_id=5467

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Re: Оракул для Eurogenes K-36.
« Ответ #823 : 05 Март 2022, 15:32:19 »
Цитировать
Просто наблюдение
Если есть в К36 проценты северного кавказа, то прибалтику в результатах можно игнорировать.
И Польшу тоже.
Ну если у моей мамы сев.кавказ 2.59 Pct, и при этом реально самые близкие кузены что на ФТНДА, что на МХ поляки и прибалты, как можно игнорировать ту же Польшу в результатах этого калькулятора?
Не видел ни одного поляка или чистого прибалта с даже небольшими (от 1% и выше) Северного Кавказа.
Если знаете, то скиньте пример.
А совпаденцы могут быть конечно. У меня есть чистокровный англичанин в МХ с 22.9/22.9 сМ с родословной до 18 века, но к36 мне упорно выдает совсем другое. 

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Re: Оракул для Eurogenes K-36.
« Ответ #824 : 05 Март 2022, 15:43:31 »
Так одиночные (и многочисленные устойчивые) матчи не особо влияют на подсчёты IBD калькуляторов. В том и дело. К слову, если у Вас был, скажем, предок с Кавказа, живший в 18 или 19 веке, то вполне реально найти какие-то матчи с людьми из этого региона. Но на общую картину они вообще не влияют.

 

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