Hello. My name is David, I'm from Serbia. I also belong to PF7263 branch of J1 haplogroup. I noticed interested treads about J1 ZS3128 on Molgen, and, with assistance of Yaroslav succeeded in signing up on Molgen. I thanks Yaroslav this way once more.
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Hello
My name is David. I noticed two interesting threads on Molgen, about ZS3128 and L1189. I tried to sign up but I failed. Anyway I would like to share some informations about possible ZS3128 in Serbian population.
1) First, about Greek who is ZS3128* on YFull, it's probably Gavras. He is from Peleponnese and he is interesting for Serbian samples because they share some common values like DYS456-16, DYS389I-14, and DYS448-22
546346 Gavras Gavras, Peloponnese, Greece J-ZS3128 13 23 14 10 12-18 11 13 12 14 11 30 20 8-10 11 11 27 14 22 31 14-15-15-16 11 10 20-22 16 13 17 19 32-38 11 10
2) Second, we have work from Mirabal et al:"Human Y-chromosome short tandem repeats: A tale of acculturation and migrations as mechanisms for the diffusion of agriculture in the Balkan peninsula"
In supplemental table 2, under line 15 we have following haplotype:
393-390-19-391-385a/b-439-389I-392-389II-458-437-448-H4-456-438-635
13-23-14-10-13/18-12-15-11-31-21.2-14-22-11-16-10-22
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ajpa.21235He have little elevated DYS389I (15 instead of 14), but he is very close to Gavras haplotype. In Montenegro (this table is for Montenegro) in private testings we haven't found such haplotype , but we find few with values DYS389I-14 and DYS458-20.2. Such haplotypes are caracteristic for the brotherhood of Radmužević from tribe of Šekular. It's a small tribe close to border of Serbia (Kosovo) and Albania
https://www.google.com/maps/place/%C5%A0ekular,+Montenegro/@42.7429855,19.8692031,13z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x13528cfb322ee205:0x53cd61409775f705!8m2!3d42.7448398!4d19.9080051I find just this work on english. It's first mention in St Stefan chart 1314 year but as area bordering with the territory of Banja monastery, but informations about it become more secure after Ottoman arrival. Radmužević brotherhood probably come latter. Low differentiation between them should point in this direction
https://books.google.rs/books?id=CN6mCQAAQBAJ&pg=PA65&lpg=PA65&dq=%C5%A1ekular&source=bl&ots=yPH5qlP-7Q&sig=ACfU3U3mP0-8VoP1FHtqP-G5I_aF-MCx2Q&hl=sr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj1gYLh4-_pAhXUi1wKHV6ND6M4ChDoATADegQIChAB#v=onepage&q=%C5%A1ekular&f=false3) We have work:"Y-chromosome genetic data defined by 23 short tandem repeats in a Serbian population on the Balkan peninsula"
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/03014460.2019.1584242Here, in supplemental material we have two samples, ID99 and ID100. They have most caracteristic haplotypes for Serbian ZS3128
ID-393-390-19-391-385a-385b-439-389I-392-389II-458-437-448-H4-456-576-570-438-481-549-533-635-643
ID99-13-23-14-10-13-18-12-14-11-30-20.2-14-22-11-16-17-18-10-27-12-11-22-9
ID100-13-23-14-10-13-18-12-14-11-30-20.2-14-22-11-15-17-18-10-27-12-11-22-9
4) We have one work about Y-DNA composition of Župa Aleksandrovačka, area around city of Aleksandrovac:"Непосредни резултати нових мултидисциплинарних етногенетских истраживања Срба и становништва Србије (на примеру Александровачке жупе)" ("Immediate results of new multidisciplinary ethnogenetic researches of Serbs and population of Serbia- on the example of Župa Aleksandrovačka")
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Municipality+of+Aleksandrovac/@43.4684816,20.8525549,11z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x47566862e88a1153:0x7c137a7c0f460ce8!2sAleksandrovac!3b1!8m2!3d43.4604716!4d21.0489533!3m4!1s0x475642a381f7d10d:0xf843dd084a213a64!8m2!3d43.4768404!4d20.9267235http://www.doiserbia.nb.rs/img/doi/0350-0861/2014/0350-08611401245T.pdfHere, on 14th page, in line number 16 we have participant name Marić with following haplotype:
393-390-19-391-385a/b-439-389I-392-389II-458-437-448-H4-456-438-635
13-23-14-10-13/18-12-14-11-30-20-14-20-11-16-10-22
He have slightly different value on DYS448 (20 instead of usual 22) but 16 on 456 and 14 on 389I like other Serian haplotypes
I hope I made good case for Serbian ZS3128
Best regards
Levantino II
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