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Re: География гаплогруппы J2.
« Ответ #75 : 25 Май 2017, 22:48:59 »
Как выяснилось, среди южных осетин доминирующей гаплогруппой является J2a - 51.20%

G2a1a - 36.01%
J2a1b Z7671 - 33.63%
J2a1 Z6049 - 17.57%
E1b1b1a1b1a V13 - 7.38%
L1b - 2.97%
R1b1a2a2c1 - 2.45%


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Re: География гаплогруппы J2.
« Ответ #76 : 26 Май 2017, 00:03:49 »
E1b1 - на третьем месте :)


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Re: География гаплогруппы J2.
« Ответ #78 : 04 Июль 2017, 10:56:40 »
Данные по процентам гаплогрупп южной части осетин.



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Re: География гаплогруппы J2.
« Ответ #79 : 06 Июль 2017, 04:20:01 »


Pakistan Parsi * N= 90
E-M123 0.056
G2-P15 0.011
H1-M52 0.022
J2a-M410 0.389
L-M20 0.033
L-M27 0.011
L-M317 0.133
R-M207 0.011
R1-M173 0.044
R1a-M17 0.078
R2-M124 0.211


Indian Parsi (pool 1) N=46
E-M123 0.022
G-U2 0.022
H1a-M2972 0.022
J2a-M410 0.304
J2b-Z1827 0.043
L-M20 0.022
L-M27 0.022
L-M317 0.152
P-M45 0.022
R1a-M417 0.087
R1a-M634 0.130
R1-M173 0.043
R2a-P267 0.109


Indian Parsi (pool 2) N=38
E-YAP 0.105
G-M201 0.026
J-12f2 0.026
J2-M12 0.079
J2-M410 0.289
K-M9 0.026
L-M20 0.237
P 0.053
R1a-M17 0.132
R1-M173 0.026

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Re: География гаплогруппы J2.
« Ответ #80 : 24 Сентябрь 2017, 13:43:29 »
BPG. It's all interesting. If, of course, we 100% know what the climate was in these regions 10 000 years ago. What were the reliefs and in what direction were the rivers flowing? And it is also important to know what the level the Black and Caspian Sea was.


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Re: География гаплогруппы J2.
« Ответ #82 : 01 Октябрь 2017, 07:47:23 »
Новая статья по гаплогруппе J2.

A new paper has just come out on the Neolithic to Bronze Age transition of Southeastern Europe. As we know the earliest J2 and J2a samples come from around the Caspian Sea — either the Caucasus or Northern Iran (Hotu Cave). Now it appears that the group of which these earliest J2’s were a part may have been the originators of Indo-European languages, spreading them first to Anatolia and then from there into early Greece and Europe as a whole. In line with this there are some very early instances of J2a and J2b found in Eastern Europe that are 5,000 bc, or 7,000 ybp.



“One version of the Steppe Hypothesis of Indo-European language origins suggests that Proto- Indo-European languages developed north of the Black and Caspian seas, and that the earliest known diverging branch – Anatolian – was spread into Asia Minor by movements of steppe peoples through the Balkan peninsula during the Copper Age around 4000 BCE.47 If this were correct, then one way to detect evidence of it would be the appearance of large amounts of steppe-related ancestry first in the Balkan Peninsula, and then in Anatolia. However, our data show no evidence for this scenario. While we find sporadic examples of steppe-related ancestry in Balkan Copper and Bronze Age individuals, this ancestry is rare until the late Bronze Age. Moreover, while Bronze Age Anatolian individuals 372 have CHG-related ancestry, they have neither the EHG-related ancestry characteristic of all steppe populations sampled to date, nor the WHG-related ancestry that is ubiquitous in Neolithic southeastern Europe (Extended Data Figure 2, Supplementary Data Table 2). An alternative hypothesis is that the ultimate homeland of Proto-Indo-European languages was in the Caucasus or in Iran. In this scenario, westward movement contributed to the dispersal of Anatolian languages, and northward movement and mixture with EHG was responsible for the formation of a “Late Proto-Indo European”-speaking population associated with the Yamnaya Complex. While this scenario gains plausibility from our results, it remains possible that Indo-European languages were spread through southeastern Europe into Anatolia without large-scale population movement or admixture.” (p. 9)

So the Indo-Europeans were not the Yamnaya but the J2 individuals who came from the Caucasus/Caspian/Nth Iran region. A very significant result for our haplogroup, I’d say, if it stands up.


https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/09/19/135616

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Re: География гаплогруппы J2.
« Ответ #83 : 01 Октябрь 2017, 12:41:08 »
Новая статья по гаплогруппе J2.

A new paper has just come out on the Neolithic to Bronze Age transition of Southeastern Europe. As we know the earliest J2 and J2a samples come from around the Caspian Sea — either the Caucasus or Northern Iran (Hotu Cave). Now it appears that the group of which these earliest J2’s were a part may have been the originators of Indo-European languages, spreading them first to Anatolia and then from there into early Greece and Europe as a whole. In line with this there are some very early instances of J2a and J2b found in Eastern Europe that are 5,000 bc, or 7,000 ybp.



“One version of the Steppe Hypothesis of Indo-European language origins suggests that Proto- Indo-European languages developed north of the Black and Caspian seas, and that the earliest known diverging branch – Anatolian – was spread into Asia Minor by movements of steppe peoples through the Balkan peninsula during the Copper Age around 4000 BCE.47 If this were correct, then one way to detect evidence of it would be the appearance of large amounts of steppe-related ancestry first in the Balkan Peninsula, and then in Anatolia. However, our data show no evidence for this scenario. While we find sporadic examples of steppe-related ancestry in Balkan Copper and Bronze Age individuals, this ancestry is rare until the late Bronze Age. Moreover, while Bronze Age Anatolian individuals 372 have CHG-related ancestry, they have neither the EHG-related ancestry characteristic of all steppe populations sampled to date, nor the WHG-related ancestry that is ubiquitous in Neolithic southeastern Europe (Extended Data Figure 2, Supplementary Data Table 2). An alternative hypothesis is that the ultimate homeland of Proto-Indo-European languages was in the Caucasus or in Iran. In this scenario, westward movement contributed to the dispersal of Anatolian languages, and northward movement and mixture with EHG was responsible for the formation of a “Late Proto-Indo European”-speaking population associated with the Yamnaya Complex. While this scenario gains plausibility from our results, it remains possible that Indo-European languages were spread through southeastern Europe into Anatolia without large-scale population movement or admixture.” (p. 9)

So the Indo-Europeans were not the Yamnaya but the J2 individuals who came from the Caucasus/Caspian/Nth Iran region. A very significant result for our haplogroup, I’d say, if it stands up.


https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/09/19/135616

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Re: География гаплогруппы J2.
« Ответ #84 : 01 Октябрь 2017, 14:17:29 »
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In line with this there are some very early instances of J2a and J2b found in Eastern Europe that are 5,000 bc, or 7,000 ybp.
откуда этот текст (с какого то форума?) где первоисточник, ссылки на статью?

в статье "The Genomic History of Southeastern Europe" нет образцов J2b возрастом 7000 лет из Европы

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Re: География гаплогруппы J2.
« Ответ #85 : 01 Октябрь 2017, 15:33:54 »
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In line with this there are some very early instances of J2a and J2b found in Eastern Europe that are 5,000 bc, or 7,000 ybp.
откуда этот текст (с какого то форума?) где первоисточник, ссылки на статью?

в статье "The Genomic History of Southeastern Europe" нет образцов J2b возрастом 7000 лет из Европы

С проекта J2 https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/j2-m172/activity-feed


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Re: География гаплогруппы J2.
« Ответ #86 : 09 Октябрь 2017, 19:08:20 »
original sta'ti zdes'

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2017/09/19/135616.full.pdf

v nej' v centre vnimanija CHG (Caucasian Hunter Gatherer -- v kachestve kotorogo v nauchnoj literature figuriruet geneticheskaja "rodnja" Kotias Klde)

https://yfull.com/tree/J-Z6046/

Новая статья по гаплогруппе J2.

A new paper has just come out on the Neolithic to Bronze Age transition of Southeastern Europe. As we know the earliest J2 and J2a samples come from around the Caspian Sea — either the Caucasus or Northern Iran (Hotu Cave). Now it appears that the group of which these earliest J2’s were a part may have been the originators of Indo-European languages, spreading them first to Anatolia and then from there into early Greece and Europe as a whole. In line with this there are some very early instances of J2a and J2b found in Eastern Europe that are 5,000 bc, or 7,000 ybp.

“One version ... movement or admixture.” (p. 9)

So the Indo-Europeans were not the Yamnaya but the J2 individuals who came from the Caucasus/Caspian/Nth Iran region. A very significant result for our haplogroup, I’d say, if it stands up.


https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/09/19/135616

Давайте все таки уточним. Данная статья не по J2 и не про CHG.
Далее, в неолите в Европе J2 конечно есть, но не в Восточной Европе как утверждает данный комментатор и не имеет CHG, поскольку никак не связана с Кавказом.
Отсюда следует, все что написал данный английский комментатор ненаучно, да просто обман.

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Re: География гаплогруппы J2.
« Ответ #88 : 15 Январь 2018, 17:18:53 »
География ветви J2: "J2a-M410>PF4610>Z6049>SK1313[Caucasus]"





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Re: География гаплогруппы J2.
« Ответ #89 : 08 Июнь 2018, 14:04:23 »
Allanus Cudarianus, прекращайте оффтопить.

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