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Джек Потрошитель - мито T1a1?
« : 07 Сентябрь 2014, 10:54:21 »
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Because of the genome amplification technique, I was also able to ascertain the ethnic and geographical background of the DNA I extracted. It was of a type known as the haplogroup T1a1, common in people of Russian Jewish ethnicity. I was even able to establish that he had dark hair.

Конечно много информации из желтой прессы не почерпнёшь, но интересно насколько глубоко типирован образец...
Даже элементарный поиск по Гуглу дает более широкий популяционный разброс...
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_T_mtDNA.shtml

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Re: Джек Потрошитель - мито T1a1?
« Ответ #1 : 07 Сентябрь 2014, 13:13:52 »
А Джесси Джеймс - T2*:



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Re: Джек Потрошитель - мито T1a1?
« Ответ #3 : 08 Сентябрь 2014, 22:52:15 »
А Джесси Джеймс - T2*:

А где ссылка на источник информации?

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Re: Джек Потрошитель - мито T1a1?
« Ответ #4 : 08 Сентябрь 2014, 23:59:09 »
Шад, в 23andMe Джесси Джеймс указан, как носитель T2. Откуда они взяли не знаю, к сожалению.

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Re: Джек Потрошитель - мито T1a1?
« Ответ #5 : 09 Сентябрь 2014, 13:17:46 »
Сенсация была "дутая":
http://dna-explained.com/2014/09/08/jack-the-ripper/
http://www.legalgenealogist.com/blog/2014/09/07/8584/
На мой взгляд вне зависимости от гаплогруппы, факт принадлежности таковой именно убийце, а не кому-либо ещё, мягко говоря не совсем доказан...

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Re: Джек Потрошитель - мито T1a1?
« Ответ #6 : 09 Сентябрь 2014, 13:52:15 »
Сенсация была "дутая":
http://dna-explained.com/2014/09/08/jack-the-ripper/
http://www.legalgenealogist.com/blog/2014/09/07/8584/
На мой взгляд вне зависимости от гаплогруппы, факт принадлежности таковой именно убийце, а не кому-либо ещё, мягко говоря не совсем доказан...

Совсем не доказан. Может есть подробности по отдельным снипам, но если это всё, то мы имеем дело не с сенсацией, а с профанацией.
Не буду повторять аргументы Роберты (см. первую ссылку), но таких людей могло быть тысячи.

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Re: Джек Потрошитель - мито T1a1?
« Ответ #7 : 04 Ноябрь 2014, 16:19:57 »
На выходных через ув. Аббата получил следующее письмо:


I hope you'll forgive for contacting you with a rather unusual query. It
arises from the recent claim that the 19th-century serial killer "Jack the
Ripper" has been identified by DNA analysis. Russell Edwards, in his book
"Naming Jack the Ripper", reported that mitochondrial DNA samples extracted
from a shawl said to have been found at one of the murder sites, had been
matched to samples from relations of both a victim and a suspect. The
suspect was a Polish Jew, Aaron Kozminski.

A number of people interested in the case have been researching these
claims, and are sceptical about these claims.

The reason I'm writing to you is that as one aspect of the DNA analysis a
search was performed for matches with a (partial) sequence from the shawl
(which Russell Edwards associated with the suspect Kozminski). A unique
match was found with a full mitochondrial sequence in a database (apparently
the NCBI GenBank database). The sequence in the database was described as
Russian, and had been assigned to haplogroup T1a1. Russell Edwards was told
by his academic collaborator that the haplogroup was typical of Russian Jews
(though we have been unable to verify this).

We believe we have identified the sequence in the database as one of those
submitted to the Erzya-Moksha DNA Project. (The details are: Kit Number:
295554; Name: Anokhina; Maternal Ancestor Name: Ekaterina Fedotova, b. 1846,
Klimovka, Podolskiy u. (Это мой митогаплотип)
On the project's web page the haplogroup is given as
T1a-T152C!, not T1a1.)

We should like to know whether this match really does give any support to
the idea that the DNA on the shawl could have come from a Polish Jew. It
would be interesting to know whether the known maternal ancestor was Jewish.
We also wonder, given that this sequence has been submitted to your project,
whether she was believed to have been a Mordvin rather than an ethnic
Russian.

I wondered whether you might be willing to forward a query on our behalf to
the donor of the sequence. Equally, as you have obviously studied the
Erzya-Moksha genetics in depth yourself (though I'm afraid I don't read
Russian, so the amount I can glean from your web pages is limited), we
should be very grateful for any comments or guidance you might be able to
give us about the implications of the match.

I'm attaching some further details of the scientific tests described in
Russell Edwards's book, which I hope will be helpful as background
information.

Many thanks

Chris Phillips (Dr)

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Re: Джек Потрошитель - мито T1a1?
« Ответ #8 : 04 Ноябрь 2014, 16:21:18 »
Впрочем, потом резюмирует:
Dear Anthony

Thanks for your emails.

I am very doubtful that Aaron Kozminski's DNA is on the shawl. They
found a partial match between mtDNA from a cell on the shawl and a
sample from a descendant of one of Aaron's sisters. Apparently it was
quite a small segment - perhaps about 250 base positions.

Then apparently they combined that sequence with some more they
obtained from the shawl (again it's not clear what other sequences)
and that gave a unique match in the database to your haplotype. They
don't even say in the book whether they checked that the additional
sequences also matched Kozminski's relation. In fact it sounds as
though they came from a different cell on the shawl, so they might
even have been combining sequences from two different people.

There are a lot of problems with the work, and unfortunately the
scientist is reluctant to release any more information. There is a
possibility we may be able to get a sample from Kozminski's family for
comparison, and that might make things clearer. If we do, I'll let you
know how we get on.

Best wishes

Chris

 

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