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Re: Эксперименты Srkz с аутосомами
« Ответ #765 : 15 Июнь 2019, 12:31:30 »
Для сравнения мои результаты, шесть лет спустя, спасибо ув.Srkz! Современный калькулятор,похоже точнее :)

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Belarusian_West @ 3,917103
2 Russian_Tver @ 4,435941
3 Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 4,458868
4 Russian_Bryansk @ 4,638246
5 Russian_Murom @ 4,671363
6 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,681374
7 Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 4,69951
8 Russian_Saratov @ 4,718152
9 Russian_Meshtchyora @ 4,725683
10 Russian_Don @ 4,752789
11 Polish @ 4,827754
12 Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 4,850821
13 Russian_Moscow @ 4,97376
14 Russian_Tambov @ 4,993838
15 Russian_Kursk_Oryol @ 5,088714
16 Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh @ 5,146177
17 Russian_Ivanovo @ 5,287371
18 Ukrainian_Vinnitsa_Zhitomir @ 5,50535
19 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,542296
20 Russian_Andreapol @ 5,581612
21 Belarusian_Poleshtchuk @ 5,705924
22 Russian_Uglich @ 5,856603
23 Russian_Arzamas @ 5,952745
24 Belarusian_Gomel @ 5,959597
25 Russian_Kuban @ 6,005262
26 Russian_Smolensk @ 6,29604
27 Ukrainian_Galichina @ 6,500549
28 Belarusian_Vitebsk_Mogilyov @ 6,683127
29 Moksha @ 6,710294
30 Belarusian_Minsk @ 6,715304
31 Erzya @ 7,135934
32 Russian_Tatarstan_Arsk @ 7,731953
33 Russian_Novgorod @ 8,024396
34 Polish_North_East @ 8,135052
35 Russian_Vetluga @ 8,629594
36 Russian_Pskov @ 9,343833
37 Russian_Siberia @ 9,431556
38 Russian_Vyatka @ 10,264836
39 Russian_Tobol_Kerzhak @ 10,338024
40 Russian_Ustyuzhna @ 10,765287
41 Lithuanian @ 10,853766
42 Slovak @ 10,874919
43 Russian_Solvychegodsk @ 10,901885
44 Russian_Ural_East @ 11,133413
45 Russian_HGDP @ 11,402283
46 Czech @ 11,443092
47 Russian_Ural_West @ 11,697342
48 Ukrainian_Carpaty @ 11,998949
49 Russian_Baykal @ 12,101968
50 Russian_Vologda @ 12,394043
170 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Moksha+Polish @ 3,443604
2 Polish+Russian_Meshtchyora @ 3,526415
3 Polish+Russian_Ivanovo @ 3,56241
4 Belarusian_West+Russian_Meshtchyora @ 3,701826
5 Belarusian_West+Russian_Saratov @ 3,704803
6 Belarusian_West+Moksha @ 3,716556
7 Polish+Russian_Murom @ 3,717247
8 Belarusian_West+Russian_Tver @ 3,725247
9 Polish+Russian_Tver @ 3,732967
10 Russian_Ivanovo+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,737785
11 Russian_Meshtchyora+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,743876
12 Belarusian_West+Russian_Tambov @ 3,745022
13 Erzya+Polish @ 3,75217
14 Polish+Russian_Uglich @ 3,768775
15 Polish+Russian_Saratov @ 3,779979
16 Russian_Murom+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,793038
17 Belarusian_West+Russian_Don @ 3,797065
18 Polish+Russian_Moscow @ 3,798967
19 Belarusian_West+Russian_Murom @ 3,80212
20 Russian_Tver+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,808707
21 Belarusian_West+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,826793
22 Belarusian_West+Russian_Ivanovo @ 3,834879
23 Russian_Meshtchyora+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 3,863467
24 Belarusian_West+Russian_Moscow @ 3,871078
25 Russian_Uglich+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 3,887386
26 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West @ 3,917103
27 Russian_Moscow+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,945027
28 Belarusian_West+Russian_Bryansk @ 3,948105
29 Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_Galichina @ 3,963433
30 Belarusian_West+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,968234
31 Polish+Russian_Tambov @ 3,988999
32 Russian_Meshtchyora+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,993383
33 Moksha+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,997307
34 Belarusian_West+Russian_Uglich @ 4,0074
35 Russian_Meshtchyora+Ukrainian_Vinnitsa_Zhitomir @ 4,013255
36 Moksha+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 4,034978
37 Russian_Ivanovo+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 4,035754
38 Russian_Uglich+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 4,036868
39 Polish+Russian_Arzamas @ 4,042548
40 Russian_Ivanovo+Ukrainian_Vinnitsa_Zhitomir @ 4,04706
41 Polish+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 4,065299
42 Polish+Russian_Tatarstan_Arsk @ 4,076504
43 Russian_Tver+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 4,07738
44 Russian_Saratov+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 4,079635
45 Belarusian_West+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,079953
46 Russian_Don+Russian_Smolensk @ 4,081476
47 Moksha+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,084574
48 Russian_Saratov+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 4,085865
49 Belarusian_West+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 4,088241
50 Russian_Don+Russian_Tver @ 4,099246
14535 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Polish +25% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Ural_West @ 3,118793
2 50% Belarusian_West +25% Moksha +25% Polish @ 3,151536
3 50% Polish +25% Polish +25% Russian_Ural_West @ 3,156613
4 50% Polish +25% Russian_Ural_West +25% Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 3,173788
5 50% Belarusian_West +25% Moksha +25% Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,194469
6 50% Polish +25% Russian_Smolensk +25% Russian_Ural_West @ 3,198858
7 50% Polish +25% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Vyatka_NE @ 3,206621
8 50% Polish +25% Polish +25% Russian_Vyatka_NE @ 3,208325
9 50% Polish +25% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Vyatka @ 3,217387
10 50% Polish +25% Belarusian_West +25% Moksha @ 3,230948
11 50% Belarusian_West +25% Belarusian_West +25% Moksha @ 3,23805
12 50% Polish +25% Polish +25% Russian_Vyatka @ 3,24449
13 50% Belarusian_West +25% Polish +25% Russian_Ural_West @ 3,247949
14 50% Polish +25% Moksha +25% Russian_Ivanovo @ 3,254064
15 50% Polish +25% Moksha +25% Russian_Meshtchyora @ 3,276818
16 50% Polish +25% Moksha +25% Russian_Uglich @ 3,277124
17 50% Polish +25% Belarusian_Vitebsk_Mogilyov +25% Russian_Ural_West @ 3,281316
18 50% Polish +25% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Ural_East @ 3,282197
19 50% Polish +25% Russian_Andreapol +25% Russian_Ural_West @ 3,284503
20 50% Polish +25% Belarusian_Gomel +25% Russian_Ural_West @ 3,287183
21 50% Belarusian_West +25% Moksha +25% Ukrainian_Galichina @ 3,30721
22 50% Belarusian_West +25% Moksha +25% Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 3,308222
23 50% Belarusian_West +25% Moksha +25% Ukrainian_Vinnitsa_Zhitomir @ 3,314135
24 50% Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina +25% Polish +25% Russian_Ural_West @ 3,315328
25 50% Polish +25% Russian_Smolensk +25% Russian_Vyatka_NE @ 3,320244
26 50% Polish +25% Russian_Vyatka_NE +25% Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 3,32034
27 50% Polish +25% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Siberia @ 3,320875
28 50% Polish +25% Moksha +25% Russian_Tver @ 3,321061
29 50% Polish +25% Belarusian_Poleshtchuk +25% Russian_Ural_West @ 3,321284
30 50% Belarusian_West +25% Moksha +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,321509
31 50% Belarusian_West +25% Moksha +25% Russian_Don @ 3,32755
32 50% Polish +25% Russian_Ural_West +25% Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,331933
33 50% Polish +25% Russian_Ural_West +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,333371
34 50% Polish +25% Moksha +25% Russian_Moscow @ 3,337107
35 50% Polish +25% Moksha +25% Russian_Murom @ 3,337205
36 50% Polish +25% Russian_Vyatka +25% Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,33783
37 50% Polish +25% Polish +25% Russian_Ural_East @ 3,34321
38 50% Polish +25% Belarusian_Vitebsk_Mogilyov +25% Russian_Vyatka_NE @ 3,350562
39 50% Russian_Smolensk +25% German_Volhyn +25% Moksha @ 3,350887
40 50% Belarusian_West +25% Polish +25% Russian_Vyatka @ 3,352026
41 50% Polish +25% Russian_Vyatka +25% Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 3,352613
42 50% Belarusian_West +25% Polish +25% Russian_Vyatka_NE @ 3,366173
43 50% Polish +25% Belarusian_Minsk +25% Russian_Ural_West @ 3,374026
44 50% Polish +25% Moksha +25% Russian_Saratov @ 3,375738
45 50% Belarusian_West +25% Erzya +25% Polish @ 3,376269
46 50% Belarusian_West +25% Polish +25% Russian_Ural_East @ 3,380566
47 50% Belarusian_West +25% Erzya +25% Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,382022
48 50% Polish +25% Moksha +25% Russian_Vetluga @ 3,386443
49 50% Polish +25% Moksha +25% Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,391596
50 50% Belarusian_West +25% Moksha +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,39482
1842803 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Belarusian_West+Polish+Polish+Russian_Ural_West @ 3,118793
2 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Moksha+Polish @ 3,151536
3 Polish+Polish+Polish+Russian_Ural_West @ 3,156613
4 Polish+Polish+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 3,173788
5 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Moksha+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,194469
6 Polish+Polish+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Ural_West @ 3,198858
7 Belarusian_West+Polish+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 3,204697
8 Belarusian_West+Polish+Polish+Russian_Vyatka_NE @ 3,206621
9 Polish+Polish+Polish+Russian_Vyatka_NE @ 3,208325
10 Belarusian_West+Polish+Polish+Russian_Vyatka @ 3,217387
11 Belarusian_West+Moksha+Polish+Polish @ 3,230948
12 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Moksha @ 3,23805
13 Polish+Polish+Polish+Russian_Vyatka @ 3,24449
14 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Polish+Russian_Ural_West @ 3,247949
15 Moksha+Polish+Polish+Russian_Ivanovo @ 3,254064
16 Polish+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,271054
17 Moksha+Polish+Polish+Russian_Meshtchyora @ 3,276818
18 Moksha+Polish+Polish+Russian_Uglich @ 3,277124
19 Belarusian_West+Moksha+Polish+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,278964
20 Belarusian_Vitebsk_Mogilyov+Polish+Polish+Russian_Ural_West @ 3,281316
21 Lithuanian+Polish+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Carpaty @ 3,281705
22 Belarusian_West+Polish+Polish+Russian_Ural_East @ 3,282197
23 Polish+Polish+Russian_Andreapol+Russian_Ural_West @ 3,284503
24 Belarusian_Gomel+Polish+Polish+Russian_Ural_West @ 3,287183
25 Belarusian_West+Polish+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,290033
26 Belarusian_West+Polish+Russian_Vyatka+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,305426
27 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Moksha+Ukrainian_Galichina @ 3,30721
28 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Moksha+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 3,308222
29 Belarusian_West+Lithuanian+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Carpaty @ 3,308652
30 Belarusian_West+Moksha+Polish+Russian_Tver @ 3,312677
31 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Moksha+Ukrainian_Vinnitsa_Zhitomir @ 3,314135
32 Belarusian_West+Moksha+Polish+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,315286
33 Polish+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 3,315328
34 Belarusian_West+Moksha+Polish+Russian_Meshtchyora @ 3,318628
35 Belarusian_West+Moksha+Polish+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 3,319141
36 Polish+Polish+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Vyatka_NE @ 3,320244
37 Polish+Polish+Russian_Vyatka_NE+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 3,32034
38 Belarusian_West+Polish+Polish+Russian_Siberia @ 3,320875
39 Moksha+Polish+Polish+Russian_Tver @ 3,321061
40 Belarusian_Poleshtchuk+Polish+Polish+Russian_Ural_West @ 3,321284
41 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Moksha+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,321509
42 Belarusian_West+Moksha+Polish+Russian_Ivanovo @ 3,324393
43 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Moksha+Russian_Don @ 3,32755
44 Belarusian_West+Moksha+Polish+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,329504
45 Belarusian_West+Moksha+Polish+Russian_Don @ 3,329656
46 Belarusian_West+Lithuanian+Moksha+Ukrainian_Carpaty @ 3,33062
47 Polish+Polish+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,331933
48 Polish+Polish+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,333371
49 Moksha+Polish+Polish+Russian_Moscow @ 3,337107
50 Moksha+Polish+Polish+Russian_Murom @ 3,337205
51 Polish+Polish+Russian_Vyatka+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,33783
52 Belarusian_West+Moksha+Polish+Russian_Uglich @ 3,34099
53 Polish+Polish+Polish+Russian_Ural_East @ 3,34321
54 Belarusian_West+Moksha+Polish+Russian_Saratov @ 3,348689
55 Belarusian_Vitebsk_Mogilyov+Polish+Polish+Russian_Vyatka_NE @ 3,350562
56 German_Volhyn+Moksha+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Smolensk @ 3,350887
57 Belarusian_West+Moksha+Polish+Russian_Moscow @ 3,351617
58 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Polish+Russian_Vyatka @ 3,352026
59 Polish+Polish+Russian_Vyatka+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 3,352613
60 Belarusian_Poleshtchuk+Belarusian_West+Polish+Russian_Ural_West @ 3,353565
61 Belarusian_West+Moksha+Polish+Russian_Murom @ 3,354886
62 Belarusian_West+Moksha+Polish+Russian_Tambov @ 3,357178
63 Belarusian_West+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Vetluga+Ukrainian_Carpaty @ 3,357418
64 Belarusian_West+Polish+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,365665
65 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Polish+Russian_Vyatka_NE @ 3,366173
66 Belarusian_West+Moksha+Polish+Russian_Bryansk @ 3,367182
67 Polish+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,372291
68 Belarusian_Vitebsk_Mogilyov+Polish+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,373564
69 Belarusian_Minsk+Polish+Polish+Russian_Ural_West @ 3,374026
70 Moksha+Polish+Polish+Russian_Saratov @ 3,375738
71 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Erzya+Polish @ 3,376269
72 Belarusian_West+Polish+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Vinnitsa_Zhitomir @ 3,377961
73 Polish+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Vinnitsa_Zhitomir @ 3,378099
74 Latvian+Polish+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Carpaty @ 3,37833
75 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Polish+Russian_Ural_East @ 3,380566
76 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Erzya+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,382022
77 Belarusian_West+Polish+Russian_Vyatka_NE+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 3,38352
78 Moksha+Polish+Polish+Russian_Vetluga @ 3,386443
79 Moksha+Polish+Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,387278
80 Belarusian_West+Moksha+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,389857
81 Belarusian_West+Polish+Russian_Vyatka+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 3,391071
82 Moksha+Polish+Polish+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,391596
83 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,39482
84 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 3,395124
85 Belarusian_West+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,395493
86 Polish+Polish+Polish+Russian_Siberia @ 3,395955
87 Belarusian_Poleshtchuk+Polish+Polish+Russian_Vyatka_NE @ 3,396518
88 Polish+Polish+Russian_Ural_East+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 3,396854
89 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Moksha+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,396904
90 Belarusian_West+Polish+Russian_Ural_East+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 3,401304
91 Belarusian_West+Moksha+Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_Galichina @ 3,40138
92 Moksha+Polish+Polish+Russian_Andreapol @ 3,403319
93 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Polish+Russian_Siberia @ 3,403462
94 Moksha+Polish+Russian_Ivanovo+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,403882
95 Polish+Polish+Russian_Tver+Russian_Ural_West @ 3,405361
96 Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Carpaty @ 3,406014
97 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,40683
98 Belarusian_West+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 3,409257
99 Belarusian_West+Polish+Russian_Siberia+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 3,409702
100 Lithuanian+Polish+Russian_Vyatka+Ukrainian_Carpaty @ 3,409864

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Re: Эксперименты Srkz с аутосомами
« Ответ #766 : 15 Июнь 2019, 13:33:50 »
Похоже больше на микс Беларусь + Россия, мало Украины.

Куда отсылать данные чтобы получить результаты по этому калькулятору? :)

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Re: Эксперименты Srkz с аутосомами
« Ответ #767 : 15 Июнь 2019, 16:23:09 »
Похоже больше на микс Беларусь + Россия, мало Украины.

Куда отсылать данные чтобы получить результаты по этому калькулятору? :)
Данные оправлялись давно, посмотрите предыдущее мое сообщение в этой теме, там я сравниваю результаты брата( которому сделали результаты недели две назад, и мои которые сделали 6 лет назад, но я так понял данные пополнялись, калькулятор улучшили, и я попросил  ув.Srkz, прогнать мои данные еще раз, что он и сделал, сегодня получил обновленные данные, за что ему еще раз ему огромное спасибо!!! ).Ну насчет  Беларусь + Россия и тому подоб. Вот мое дилетантское мнение, ну и то что знаю о предках, дед по отцовской линии именно с сев.части Житомирской обл. гдето на стыке Ровненской,Житомир. и Гомельской обл. по воспоминаниям отца он говорил с характерным белорусским акцентом, но по документам значится украинцем, ну там я так понимаю все эти грани, типо украинец или белорус или даже поляк, не особо видны, бабушка когда до войны была на родине деда( названия села или хутора к сожалению не запомнила, но говорила что не далеко от границы с Польшей), так вот у сестры деда, были дети, как бабушка вспоминала имена были,Бронек, Стася и тд. видими много смешанных браков, ну а грань между укр.полещуком и белорусским небольшая. Ну а по матери, я вообще не знаю с каких мест ее предки старообрядцы пришли в Кагул, разговаривал с кагульскими краеведами, так говорят что со всех регионов России( Ветка Белорусь, Брянщина, центр. Россия, север и даже с Урала) продвигались на юг через Буковину, плюс они говорили, что не смотря на замкнутость общины, подмесы с местными были не малые, кстати у матери много кузенов с Карпатского региона, Закарпатья и т.д. ну и как я уже писал, наравне с финнами, зашкаливают кузены поляки. Ну а среди русских кузенов. как раз больший процент людей с корнями именно с уральского и волго-вятских регионов. Кстати все это калькулятор хорошо показывает.P.S.Да забыл, на счет куда отсылать данные, писал в личку Srkz , и договаривался

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Re: Эксперименты Srkz с аутосомами
« Ответ #768 : 15 Июнь 2019, 19:39:40 »
Ваш дед по отцовской линии с северо-запада Житомирской области, правильно? Мне казалось там национальный состав довольно однородный, практически все украинцы, хотя может раньше было по-другому и только уже в наши дни раппортуют 90%... Чернобыльская радиация те места не накрыла ?

Интересно будет сравнить результаты!

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Re: Эксперименты Srkz с аутосомами
« Ответ #769 : 15 Июнь 2019, 20:23:48 »
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Ваш дед по отцовской линии с северо-запада Житомирской области, правильно?
Новоград-Волынский или Олевский район, ну это если по современному, тогда ж было другое административно-территориальное деление, он то родился в Волынской губ. а в не Житомирской обл. :) Ну вроде бы там было не мало поляков, целые села, как раз вот в этих местах, сейчас там скорее всего все украинцы, но фамилий польских много( но они уже украинцы ;)). Насчет результатов, это да, интересно будет сравнить!

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Re: Эксперименты Srkz с аутосомами
« Ответ #770 : 18 Июнь 2019, 20:02:52 »
Я получил результаты и с andronn не совпало.

Подумав объективно так и должно быть - сложи юго-западных беларусов и южных украинцев и получишь вот так.  :D

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_Galichina @ 2,95856
2 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,024351
3 Ukrainian_Vinnitsa_Zhitomir @ 3,818048
4 Russian_Don @ 3,851664
5 Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 4,301791
6 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,009114
7 Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh @ 5,081989
8 Russian_Tambov @ 5,124429
9 Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 5,415537
10 Russian_Bryansk @ 5,42287
11 Russian_Kursk_Oryol @ 5,558414
12 Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 5,646368
13 Polish @ 5,886092
14 Russian_Saratov @ 6,125639
15 Russian_Kuban @ 6,187328
16 Belarusian_Poleshtchuk @ 6,337548
17 Slovak @ 6,429904
18 Czech @ 6,729471
19 Russian_Tver @ 6,748111
20 Russian_Moscow @ 6,957749
21 Belarusian_West @ 7,02974
22 Russian_Murom @ 7,162089
23 Russian_Meshtchyora @ 7,539853
24 Russian_Ivanovo @ 7,668079
25 Belarusian_Gomel @ 7,683369
26 Russian_Arzamas @ 7,968353
27 Russian_Andreapol @ 8,039424
28 Ukrainian_Carpaty @ 8,229983
29 Russian_Uglich @ 8,380245
30 Polish_North_East @ 8,471469
31 Belarusian_Minsk @ 8,619138
32 Hungarian @ 8,684743
33 Russian_Tatarstan_Arsk @ 8,854897
34 Belarusian_Vitebsk_Mogilyov @ 9,043183
35 Moksha @ 9,386125
36 Erzya @ 9,789979
37 Russian_Novgorod @ 9,820811
38 Russian_Smolensk @ 9,871242
39 Russian_Vetluga @ 11,260372
40 Russian_Pskov @ 11,792278
41 Russian_Siberia @ 11,864421
42 Russian_Ustyuzhna @ 11,908467
43 Russian_Vyatka @ 12,772769
44 Russian_Solvychegodsk @ 12,808051
45 Moldavian @ 12,827109
46 Russian_Tobol_Kerzhak @ 13,032359
47 Russian_Ural_East @ 13,143288
48 Russian_Baykal @ 13,262522
49 Croatian @ 13,27181
50 German_Volhyn @ 13,657935
170 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Czech+Polish_North_East @ 2,267473
2 Belarusian_Gomel+Czech @ 2,476801
3 Czech+Russian_Andreapol @ 2,527154
4 Czech+Russian_Kursk_Oryol @ 2,612158
5 Belarusian_Minsk+Czech @ 2,616725
6 Czech+Russian_Bryansk @ 2,616958
7 Croatian+Russian_Pskov @ 2,633637
8 Ukrainian_Galichina+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,652247
9 Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Slovak @ 2,663913
10 Russian_Bryansk+Slovak @ 2,695744
11 Belarusian_Vitebsk_Mogilyov+Czech @ 2,701462
12 Croatian+Latvian @ 2,810117
13 Hungarian+Polish_North_East @ 2,816103
14 Belarusian_Poleshtchuk+Czech @ 2,87654
15 Russian_Andreapol+Slovak @ 2,882476
16 Czech+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 2,917846
17 Polish_North_East+Slovak @ 2,921
18 Moldavian+Russian_Pskov @ 2,952424
19 Russian_Moscow+Slovak @ 2,953569
20 Croatian+Estonian_South @ 2,955981
21 Ukrainian_Galichina+Ukrainian_Galichina @ 2,95856
22 Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh+Slovak @ 2,972708
23 Czech+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 2,974988
24 Czech+Russian_Kuban @ 2,977271
25 Russian_Don+Ukrainian_Galichina @ 2,985159
26 Croatian+Lithuanian @ 3,004493
27 Czech+Russian_Tver @ 3,017069
28 Russian_Tver+Slovak @ 3,021787
29 Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,024351
30 Czech+Russian_Moscow @ 3,04191
31 Belarusian_Gomel+Slovak @ 3,059837
32 Lithuanian+Moldavian @ 3,084227
33 Ukrainian_Galichina+Ukrainian_Vinnitsa_Zhitomir @ 3,086552
34 Hungarian+Russian_Andreapol @ 3,09534
35 Latvian+Romanian @ 3,102788
36 Russian_Arzamas+Slovak @ 3,110789
37 Russian_Ivanovo+Slovak @ 3,13037
38 Belarusian_Minsk+Hungarian @ 3,131513
39 Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Slovak @ 3,135381
40 Latvian+Moldavian @ 3,138397
41 Polish_North_East+Ukrainian_Carpaty @ 3,158382
42 Czech+Russian_Murom @ 3,169947
43 Russian_Murom+Slovak @ 3,182014
44 Belarusian_Vitebsk_Mogilyov+Hungarian @ 3,196267
45 Czech+Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh @ 3,20599
46 Belarusian_Minsk+Slovak @ 3,208227
47 Belarusian_Gomel+Hungarian @ 3,219056
48 Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh+Ukrainian_Galichina @ 3,219177
49 Russian_Don+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,220732
50 Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Ukrainian_Carpaty @ 3,224954
14535 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Latvian +25% Italian_South +25% Polish_North_East @ 1,727547
2 50% Latvian +25% Czech +25% Gagauz @ 1,776433
3 50% Latvian +25% Italian_South +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 1,840114
4 50% Latvian +25% Italian_South +25% Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 1,858004
5 50% Latvian +25% Italian_South +25% Russian_Bryansk @ 1,869223
6 50% Latvian +25% Gagauz +25% Hungarian @ 1,870864
7 50% Latvian +25% Belarusian_Poleshtchuk +25% Italian_South @ 1,876279
8 50% Latvian +25% Italian_South +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 1,881186
9 50% Polish_North_East +25% Italian_South +25% Latvian @ 1,908985
10 50% Latvian +25% Italian_South +25% Russian_Kursk_Oryol @ 1,923142
11 50% Polish_North_East +25% Bulgarian +25% Russian_Ivanovo @ 1,923437
12 50% Polish_North_East +25% Italian_South +25% Latgalian @ 1,927238
13 50% Latvian +25% Croatian +25% Romanian @ 1,932924
14 50% Latvian +25% Bulgarian +25% Croatian @ 1,944987
15 50% Latvian +25% Albanian +25% Russian_Don @ 1,954916
16 50% Latvian +25% Belarusian_Minsk +25% Italian_South @ 1,961179
17 50% Latgalian +25% Italian_South +25% Ukrainian_Galichina @ 1,961967
18 50% Polish_North_East +25% Bulgarian +25% Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 1,966358
19 50% Latvian +25% Gagauz +25% Slovak @ 1,969173
20 50% Polish_North_East +25% Romanian +25% Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 1,972454
21 50% Polish_North_East +25% Romanian +25% Russian_Ivanovo @ 1,973485
22 50% Lithuanian +25% Italian_South +25% Polish_North_East @ 1,976425
23 50% Polish_North_East +25% Romanian +25% Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh @ 1,977324
24 50% Latvian +25% Greek +25% Polish @ 1,977468
25 50% Latvian +25% Italian_South +25% Ukrainian_Vinnitsa_Zhitomir @ 1,980721
26 50% Latvian +25% Albanian +25% Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh @ 1,98645
27 50% Latvian +25% Italian_South +25% Russian_Kuban @ 1,988248
28 50% Polish_North_East +25% Bulgarian +25% Russian_Arzamas @ 1,989499
29 50% Polish_North_East +25% Bulgarian +25% Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh @ 1,993291
30 50% Croatian +25% Estonian_South +25% Polish_North_East @ 2,007724
31 50% Polish_North_East +25% Bulgarian +25% Russian_Tver @ 2,010905
32 50% Polish_North_East +25% Bulgarian +25% Russian_Bryansk @ 2,012462
33 50% Latvian +25% Italian_South +25% Polish @ 2,017616
34 50% Latvian +25% Gagauz +25% Ukrainian_Carpaty @ 2,034696
35 50% Latvian +25% Belarusian_Gomel +25% Italian_South @ 2,03778
36 50% Latvian +25% Albanian +25% Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 2,040747
37 50% Polish_North_East +25% Bulgarian +25% Russian_Andreapol @ 2,044729
38 50% Polish_North_East +25% Romanian +25% Russian_Arzamas @ 2,047711
39 50% Croatian +25% Latvian +25% Russian_Novgorod @ 2,047943
40 50% Latgalian +25% Czech +25% Italian_South @ 2,048523
41 50% Polish_North_East +25% Bulgarian +25% Russian_Moscow @ 2,049046
42 50% Latvian +25% Albanian +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,052462
43 50% Latvian +25% Albanian +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 2,053418
44 50% Latvian +25% Italian_South +25% Russian_Andreapol @ 2,059345
45 50% Polish_North_East +25% Romanian +25% Russian_Bryansk @ 2,060896
46 50% Latvian +25% Albanian +25% Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 2,061514
47 50% Latvian +25% Italian_South +25% Russian_Don @ 2,064404
48 50% Latvian +25% Albanian +25% Ukrainian_Galichina @ 2,066132
49 50% Latvian +25% Italian_South +25% Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 2,072917
50 50% Polish_North_East +25% Romanian +25% Russian_Tver @ 2,073826
1720747 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Italian_South+Latvian+Lithuanian+Polish_North_East @ 1,674627
2 Italian_South+Latvian+Polish_North_East+Russian_Pskov @ 1,682863
3 Italian_South+Latgalian+Latvian+Ukrainian_Galichina @ 1,706921
4 Italian_South+Latgalian+Latvian+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 1,715609
5 Italian_South+Latvian+Latvian+Polish_North_East @ 1,727547
6 Bulgarian+Latvian+Polish_North_East+Ukrainian_Galichina @ 1,738256
7 Czech+Latvian+Polish_North_East+Romanian @ 1,75181
8 Czech+Gagauz+Latvian+Latvian @ 1,776433
9 Gagauz+Latvian+Polish_North_East+Ukrainian_Galichina @ 1,780879
10 Italian_South+Latgalian+Polish_North_East+Russian_Andreapol @ 1,787133
11 Croatian+Estonian_South+Latvian+Romanian @ 1,792003
12 Gagauz+Latvian+Polish_North_East+Russian_Don @ 1,80842
13 Italian_South+Latgalian+Latvian+Russian_Don @ 1,838638
14 Italian_South+Latvian+Latvian+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 1,840114
15 Bulgarian+Czech+Latvian+Polish_North_East @ 1,842394
16 Estonian_South+Gagauz+Polish_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 1,842845
17 Italian_South+Latgalian+Latvian+Ukrainian_Vinnitsa_Zhitomir @ 1,845367
18 Estonian_South+Gagauz+Polish_North_East+Ukrainian_Galichina @ 1,855996
19 Italian_South+Latvian+Latvian+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 1,858004
20 Italian_South+Latgalian+Latvian+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 1,864011
21 Italian_South+Latvian+Latvian+Russian_Bryansk @ 1,869223
22 Gagauz+Hungarian+Latvian+Latvian @ 1,870864
23 Estonian_South+Gagauz+Latvian+Ukrainian_Carpaty @ 1,873248
24 Estonian_South+Gagauz+Polish_North_East+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 1,874831
25 Bulgarian+Croatian+Estonian_South+Latvian @ 1,876273
26 Belarusian_Poleshtchuk+Italian_South+Latvian+Latvian @ 1,876279
27 Belarusian_Vitebsk_Mogilyov+Italian_South+Latvian+Polish_North_East @ 1,877525
28 Italian_South+Latvian+Latvian+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 1,881186
29 Bulgarian+Estonian_South+Polish_North_East+Ukrainian_Galichina @ 1,882689
30 Latvian+Polish_North_East+Romanian+Ukrainian_Galichina @ 1,886077
31 Croatian+Estonian_South+Latvian+Serbian @ 1,888461
32 Belarusian_Vitebsk_Mogilyov+Italian_South+Latgalian+Polish_North_East @ 1,889371
33 Belarusian_Minsk+Italian_South+Latgalian+Polish_North_East @ 1,892766
34 Italian_South+Latvian+Polish_North_East+Polish_North_East @ 1,908985
35 Belarusian_Minsk+Italian_South+Latvian+Polish_North_East @ 1,917564
36 Estonian_South+Polish_North_East+Romanian+Slovak @ 1,918482
37 Estonian_South+Gagauz+Polish_North_East+Polish @ 1,918495
38 Italian_South+Latvian+Latvian+Russian_Kursk_Oryol @ 1,923142
39 Bulgarian+Polish_North_East+Polish_North_East+Russian_Ivanovo @ 1,923437
40 Gagauz+Latvian+Polish_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 1,926883
41 Italian_South+Latgalian+Polish_North_East+Polish_North_East @ 1,927238
42 Belarusian_Minsk+Italian_South+Latvian+Russian_Pskov @ 1,932019
43 Croatian+Latvian+Latvian+Romanian @ 1,932924
44 Bulgarian+Croatian+Latvian+Latvian @ 1,944987
45 Czech+Gagauz+Latvian+Lithuanian @ 1,948314
46 Gagauz+Latvian+Polish_North_East+Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh @ 1,948429
47 Italian_South+Latgalian+Latvian+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 1,949227
48 Estonian_South+Gagauz+Polish_North_East+Ukrainian_Vinnitsa_Zhitomir @ 1,953069
49 Estonian_South+Polish_North_East+Romanian+Ukrainian_Galichina @ 1,953952
50 Albanian+Latvian+Latvian+Russian_Don @ 1,954916
51 Gagauz+Latvian+Polish_North_East+Ukrainian_Volhyn @ 1,956659
52 Belarusian_Minsk+Italian_South+Latvian+Lithuanian @ 1,958298
53 Estonian_South+Gagauz+Latvian+Slovak @ 1,958385
54 Belarusian_Minsk+Italian_South+Latvian+Latvian @ 1,961179
55 Belarusian_Vitebsk_Mogilyov+Italian_South+Latvian+Russian_Pskov @ 1,961257
56 Bulgarian+Czech+Latvian+Russian_Pskov @ 1,961902
57 Italian_South+Latgalian+Latgalian+Ukrainian_Galichina @ 1,961967
58 Bulgarian+Polish_North_East+Polish_North_East+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 1,966358
59 Italian_South+Latgalian+Polish_North_East+Russian_Arzamas @ 1,967401
60 Gagauz+Latvian+Latvian+Slovak @ 1,969173
61 Polish_North_East+Polish_North_East+Romanian+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 1,972454
62 Polish_North_East+Polish_North_East+Romanian+Russian_Ivanovo @ 1,973485
63 Latvian+Polish_North_East+Romanian+Slovak @ 1,975832
64 Italian_South+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Polish_North_East @ 1,976425
65 Polish_North_East+Polish_North_East+Romanian+Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh @ 1,977324
66 Greek+Latvian+Latvian+Polish @ 1,977468
67 Gagauz+Latvian+Polish_North_East+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 1,978519
68 Czech+Latvian+Romanian+Russian_Pskov @ 1,980612
69 Albanian+Estonian_South+Latvian+Polish @ 1,980685
70 Italian_South+Latvian+Latvian+Ukrainian_Vinnitsa_Zhitomir @ 1,980721
71 Bulgarian+Lithuanian+Polish_North_East+Ukrainian_Galichina @ 1,983485
72 Italian_South+Latgalian+Polish_North_East+Russian_Smolensk @ 1,984344
73 Croatian+Estonian_South+Moldavian+Polish_North_East @ 1,985662
74 Albanian+Latvian+Latvian+Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh @ 1,98645
75 Italian_South+Latvian+Latvian+Russian_Kuban @ 1,988248
76 Bulgarian+Polish_North_East+Polish_North_East+Russian_Arzamas @ 1,989499
77 Italian_South+Latgalian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 1,990554
78 Italian_South+Latvian+Polish_North_East+Russian_Andreapol @ 1,991417
79 Bulgarian+Polish_North_East+Polish_North_East+Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh @ 1,993291
80 Belarusian_Gomel+Italian_South+Latgalian+Polish_North_East @ 1,995842
81 Estonian_South+Gagauz+Hungarian+Latvian @ 1,998493
82 Italian_South+Latgalian+Latvian+Polish @ 1,998769
83 Bulgarian+Latvian+Polish_North_East+Slovak @ 1,999917
84 Belarusian_Minsk+Czech+Latvian+Romanian @ 2,004252
85 Croatian+Croatian+Estonian_South+Polish_North_East @ 2,007724
86 Bulgarian+Czech+Latgalian+Polish_North_East @ 2,009101
87 Bulgarian+Estonian_South+Polish_North_East+Slovak @ 2,009646
88 Bulgarian+Polish_North_East+Polish_North_East+Russian_Tver @ 2,010905
89 Bulgarian+Polish_North_East+Polish_North_East+Russian_Bryansk @ 2,012462
90 Italian_South+Latgalian+Latvian+Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh @ 2,015293
91 Italian_South+Latvian+Latvian+Polish @ 2,017616
92 Czech+Latvian+Polish_North_East+Serbian @ 2,025347
93 Estonian_South+Polish_North_East+Romanian+Ukrainian_Carpaty @ 2,031138
94 Gagauz+Lithuanian+Polish_North_East+Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh @ 2,031499
95 Albanian+Estonian_South+Latvian+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,033413
96 Gagauz+Latvian+Latvian+Ukrainian_Carpaty @ 2,034696
97 Belarusian_Minsk+Gagauz+Latvian+Ukrainian_Galichina @ 2,035951
98 Belarusian_Gomel+Italian_South+Latvian+Latvian @ 2,03778
99 Belarusian_Minsk+Bulgarian+Latvian+Ukrainian_Galichina @ 2,039172
100 Hungarian+Latvian+Romanian+Russian_Pskov @ 2,039931

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Re: Эксперименты Srkz с аутосомами
« Ответ #771 : 19 Июнь 2019, 16:45:16 »
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Я получил результаты и с andronn не совпало.
Я честно, говоря думал, что у вас результаты будут больше похоже на моего брата, а не на меня, У вас мама  с Одесской обл. случайно в роду не было болгар, или кого то с Балкан? Там им много заселялось.

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Re: Эксперименты Srkz с аутосомами
« Ответ #772 : 27 Июнь 2019, 12:01:01 »
Srkz, Сергей, привет!
Случаем не добавилось за последние полтора года для "охоты" на общие IBD-сегменты выборок по восточно-сибирским народам?
Я считаю IBD-сегменты наиболее интересным и полезным инструментом по аутосомам.
Не думал сделать какой-то сайт типа YFull и продавать карты, включая минусовки?

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Re: Эксперименты Srkz с аутосомами
« Ответ #773 : 27 Июнь 2019, 12:34:12 »

Srkz, Сергей, привет!
Привет! Я по возвращении напишу тебе подробнее )

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Re: Эксперименты Srkz с аутосомами
« Ответ #774 : 29 Июнь 2019, 09:33:11 »
Некоторые мысли по поводу чипа GSA.

Как мы знаем, с апреля FTDNA и MyHeritage перешли на его использование в аутосомном тесте. 23andMe пользуется этим чипом (v5. Это немного другая версия, но большая часть снипов совпадает) уже несколько лет, на него же перешли российские Генотек и Атлас. Вновь появился общий стандарт, и это хорошо, но со старым стандартом он пересекается слабо (30-40%), и это уже плохо ;D

Я провёл эксперимент, обрезав ряд старых китов до снипов, присутствующих в GSA, и прогнав через этнокалькуляторы. Вывод такой - в среднем по каждой выборке результаты почти не изменились, но очень усилился случайный разброс для каждого отдельно взятого образца, видимо, из-за снижения количества маркеров. За счёт этого расстояния до родной выборки обычно выше, хотя в каких-то случаях могут стать и ниже. Словом, для оптимального результата на GSA нужны новые калькуляторы.

Длина общих сегментов при сравнении между собой китов старого и нового стандартов тоже завышается. Возможно, именно с этим связаны случаи, когда непонятно откуда появляются кузены-иностранцы с одиночными сегментами по 20-30 сМ. Раньше этим отличалась MyHeritage, теперь, кажется, началось и в других компаниях. Но не уверен, что здесь дело именно в этом, это лишь один из вариантов объяснения.

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Re: Эксперименты Srkz с аутосомами
« Ответ #775 : 29 Июнь 2019, 15:42:34 »
Тоже заметил, чтобы проблемы с калькуляторами, К13 выдает странные результаты, например.

 

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