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My autosomal matches are from Russia
« : 10 Декабрь 2011, 15:00:44 »
For people who see Russian names between their RelFinder/FamFinder/HIR Search matches and want to ask to share/to help/to ...

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Re: My autosomal matches are from Russia
« Ответ #1 : 10 Декабрь 2011, 15:09:50 »
For people who see Russian names between their RelFinder/FamFinder/HIR Search matches and want to ask to share/to help/to ...

Here are some of the ones i found using settings: 7cM and 700 SNP's:


Maternal grandmother:
                                  cM  Chr  SNP
Russian: Victor Emtsov, 7,90, 9, 727
Tatar?: Elena Bushueva, 7.30, 9,  950 a close Tatar relative found in Relative finder.
Russian: Alexei Kochetov, 7,30, 16, 1118
Russian: Vasiliy Gavrilov, 6,10, 9, 963 also found in Relative finder.

Maternal uncle:

Russian/Jew?: Dinoel Sinykisosh, 8,40, 1, 778
Russian: Irina Gurianova, 6,30, 4, 841
Russian/jew?: Alexander Lifanov, 6,20, 1, 788
Belarussian?: Angela Sushko, 6,10, 10, 1002

Me:

Russian: Genka Kostova, 8,70, 1, 844
Russian: Alexander Larionov, 8,60, 4, 1032 also found in Relative finder.
Russian: Elena Shchekina, 8,10, 1, 785

Paternal aunt:

Russian: Alexander Larionov, 9, 4, 1074 also found in Relative finder.
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Re: My autosomal matches are from Russia
« Ответ #2 : 10 Декабрь 2011, 17:16:27 »
Maternal grandmother:
                                  cM  Chr  SNP
Russian: Victor Emtsov, 7,90, 9, 727

Victor is brother of my wife. Unfortunately I don't know her pedigree further her (and Victor's too) grandparents.

Maternal line is from North Caucasus.
Paternal line is from Altai (Siberia).

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Re: My autosomal matches are from Russia
« Ответ #3 : 10 Декабрь 2011, 17:21:31 »
Me:
Russian: Alexander Larionov, 8,60, 4, 1032 also found in Relative finder.

Paternal aunt:
Russian: Alexander Larionov, 9, 4, 1074 also found in Relative finder.

Alex is my 2nd cousin.
I know his pedigree relatively good. He is from Central Russia (Province of Ryazan).

evon, where are you from?
Do you have any ideas about your Russian connections?

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Re: My autosomal matches are from Russia
« Ответ #4 : 10 Декабрь 2011, 17:25:45 »
Elena Bushueva is Russian, cousin of my wife Tatiana Dubrova
Father - from Kirov region, mother - Vladimir city

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Re: My autosomal matches are from Russia
« Ответ #5 : 10 Декабрь 2011, 18:05:39 »
Mich Glitch,

yes iknow, we have corresponded on 23andme, i think this line might be via Germany right? as i suspect my Paternal side has German ancestry,  i am Norwegian by the way..

Naeel,

ok my mistake then, i saw she was on the same account as a Tatar match of my grandmothers "Edgar", but i suspect he is too recent to have been uploaded to HIR search..

regarding my Russian matches i have made a blog about it to keep track myself:

http://scandinaviangeneticshq.blogspot.com/2011/12/tatar-genetic-cousins.html

and here is another link:

http://scandinaviangeneticshq.blogspot.com/

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Re: My autosomal matches are from Russia
« Ответ #6 : 10 Декабрь 2011, 19:35:30 »
Maternal uncle:
Russian: Irina Gurianova, 6,30, 4, 841
Dear evon!
Irina is my daughter. Our family is Russian and Jewish descent. You can check the match with the various genealogical lines of my family at Gedmatch.com:
M101814 - my daughter
F196332 - I am
F205199 - my father (Ashkenazi Jew, Ukraine/Poland)
F205198 - my nephew
M205613 - my son
F216277  - my mother (Russian, from Voronezh (maternal line) and Yaroslavl (paternal line))
M101426  - my wife (Russian, from Voronezh-paternal line)

What is your ID at Gedmatch?

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Re: My autosomal matches are from Russia
« Ответ #7 : 10 Декабрь 2011, 19:44:11 »

What is your ID at Gedmatch?

Gedmatch kits:

Kit number: M043642 V3.
Kit number: M144122 V2.
Kit number: M095810 V2 (Uncle).
Kit number: M005836 V2 (Aunt)
Kit number: M420420 V3 (Grandmother)


it is strange as you do not match my uncle on gedmatch..but he matches your wife..
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Re: My autosomal matches are from Russia
« Ответ #8 : 10 Декабрь 2011, 20:37:59 »
You may compare with Emilia Nebogatikova
GedMatch M092410
She is sister of father of Elena Bushueva

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Re: My autosomal matches are from Russia
« Ответ #9 : 10 Декабрь 2011, 21:07:25 »
Hi!

Unfortunately, I haven't researched deeply into my ancestry yet. I'm only in the process of doing that.

The English variant is here.
(I'm supposing to update the Russian version of it, which is here)

My mother's branch is from Vladimirskaya obl. (South East part, near the border of 3 regions, including Ryazanskaya and Nizhny Novgorod obl.
Also I've read that the families who founded the village around the 18th century came from Nizhny Novgorod).
My father's branch is from Udmurtiya/Kirovskaya obl. (Actually South West part of Udmurtiya, near the border with Tatar republic).
In Family Finder I have 5 cousins, none of which have Russian surnames. All are from Nothern Europe and at least 2 have pure Finnish ancestry.
Some of my Finnish connections are coming from my mother's side (they don't appear among my father's cousins), so both lineages have European connections.
In Relative Finder I have 105 matches, of which 35 have responded, 15 are from Europe, and 20 are from the former Russian Empire territory (judging by surnames).

My mother's branch (Vladimirskaya obl.) had merchants and hence it is from her side that I am seeing connections with Ireland, England, Belarus, Poland, Lithuania, Germany, Slovakia, Italy etc.
In her mito matches (H10a1), under FTDNA, I have mostly Ashkenazi matches.

It is also hard to say where my Tatar connections came from. Anan'yin culture, the common archelogical culture for both Tatars and Udmurts (my father's haplotype is from Anan'yin N1c1 branch, and his ancestors identifyed themselves as Udmurts)
or from Vladimirskaya obl. sovereign's/state peasants/merchants.

Hopefully, time will show.

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Re: My autosomal matches are from Russia
« Ответ #10 : 10 Декабрь 2011, 22:42:18 »
it is strange as you do not match my uncle on gedmatch..but he matches your wife..

It is strange. With me he does not match. But with my daughter it is a coincidence in chromosome #4, and with my wife - at 6 and 13 chromosomes.

Dear napobo3! Please explain - this is a false match?

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Re: My autosomal matches are from Russia
« Ответ #11 : 10 Декабрь 2011, 23:11:13 »
it is strange as you do not match my uncle on gedmatch..but he matches your wife..

It is strange. With me he does not match. But with my daughter it is a coincidence in chromosome #4, and with my wife - at 6 and 13 chromosomes.

Dear napobo3! Please explain - this is a false match?

napobo3 may correct me or add to it.

As I think - it is hard to say since uncle is not the father (i.e. not a direct ancestor), and so it may be a completely independent match or a false-positive.
Especially, knowning the fact that GedMatch shows more false-positives than HIR-search does.

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Re: My autosomal matches are from Russia
« Ответ #12 : 11 Декабрь 2011, 00:44:31 »
Mich Glitch,

yes iknow, we have corresponded on 23andme, i think this line might be via Germany right? as i suspect my Paternal side has German ancestry,  i am Norwegian by the way..

Sorry,
I've looked at your avatar and decided, this guy from Middle East.  :-X

About connection.
Many possibilities.
1) Via my German maternal line from Riga (this is just an unapproved hypothesis).
2) Via some Norvegian, or Russian, or Finnish, or Sweden soldier in The Great Northern War (or other conflicts).
3) Probably it is a composed HIR. I.e. something earlier than the 17th-18th centuries. Maybe Novgorod or Hansa merchants?

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Re: My autosomal matches are from Russia
« Ответ #13 : 11 Декабрь 2011, 13:06:29 »
it is strange as you do not match my uncle on gedmatch..but he matches your wife..

It is strange. With me he does not match. But with my daughter it is a coincidence in chromosome #4, and with my wife - at 6 and 13 chromosomes.

Dear napobo3! Please explain - this is a false match?

napobo3 may correct me or add to it.

As I think - it is hard to say since uncle is not the father (i.e. not a direct ancestor), and so it may be a completely independent match or a false-positive.
Especially, knowning the fact that GedMatch shows more false-positives than HIR-search does.
I agree.

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Re: My autosomal matches are from Russia
« Ответ #14 : 11 Декабрь 2011, 19:28:24 »
Me:

Russian: Genka Kostova, 8,70, 1, 844

Sounds like Bulgarian, not Russian.

 

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