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Re: My autosomal matches are from Russia
« Ответ #15 : 11 Декабрь 2011, 20:01:05 »
Me:

Russian: Genka Kostova, 8,70, 1, 844

Sounds like Bulgarian, not Russian.
She is half Ashkenazi, half Bulgarian (Macedonian).

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Re: My autosomal matches are from Russia
« Ответ #16 : 11 Декабрь 2011, 22:15:29 »
Sounds like Bulgarian, not Russian.
Not just sounds, but Bolgarian exactly.

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Re: My autosomal matches are from Russia
« Ответ #17 : 11 Декабрь 2011, 22:39:01 »
Mich Glitch,

yes iknow, we have corresponded on 23andme, i think this line might be via Germany right? as i suspect my Paternal side has German ancestry,  i am Norwegian by the way..

Sorry,
I've looked at your avatar and decided, this guy from Middle East.  :-X

About connection.
Many possibilities.
1) Via my German maternal line from Riga (this is just an unapproved hypothesis).
2) Via some Norvegian, or Russian, or Finnish, or Sweden soldier in The Great Northern War (or other conflicts).
3) Probably it is a composed HIR. I.e. something earlier than the 17th-18th centuries. Maybe Novgorod or Hansa merchants?

The avartar is a Mongol banner/flag not Islamic:)

Yes Hansa merchant would fit very well with my paternal ancestry...

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Re: My autosomal matches are from Russia
« Ответ #18 : 11 Декабрь 2011, 22:41:47 »
Me:

Russian: Genka Kostova, 8,70, 1, 844

Sounds like Bulgarian, not Russian.
She is half Ashkenazi, half Bulgarian (Macedonian).

ok, its funny though as my grandmother have several matches via Relative finder and ancestry finder in Bulgaria, Romania, Macedonia and my uncle have Bosnian ect matches..i wonder if this is also connected to the same line...

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Re: My autosomal matches are from Russia
« Ответ #19 : 13 Декабрь 2011, 15:06:04 »
i decided to look at the basic HIR search function also, these are my top russian sounding matches:

Maternal Uncle:

Larisa Maltseva: 3 HIR's
Igor Melnikov : 3 HIR's
Aleksandr Sergachev: 2 HIR's
Vladimir Shckorbotov: 2 HIR's
Alexei Kochetov: 2 HIR's
Timur Tazetdinov: 2 HIR's
Maria Basatskaya: 2 HIR's
Mariya Trubchik: 2 HIR's
Pavel Mrak: 2 HIR's (Polish?)

the rest are 1 HIR.

Maternal Grandmother:


Alexei Kochetov: 5 HIR's
Ruth Rymkus Batakis: 3 HIR's
Alexandra Kuznitsova: 3 HIR's
Albina V: 2 HIR's
N Leshok: 2 HIR's (Georgian)
Rafis Husnutdinov: 2 HIR's
Ruslan Tazetdinov: 2 HIR's
Nina Fyodorova: 2 HIR's
Vladimir Bedanov: 2 HIR's
Vladimir Shckorbotov: 2 HIR*s

the rest have 1 HIR.

Paternal aunt:

Aleksandr Shtrunov: 4 HIR's
Ilya Pomygalski: 3 HIR's
Yuri Kasimov: 3 HIR's
Pavel Korolev: 3 HIR's (Polish?)
Pavel Mrak: 2 HIR's (Polish?)
Yuriy Shckorbatov: 2 HIR's
Michael Sefanov: 2 HIR's
Valentina Kalyckaya: 2 HIR's
Dinoel Sinykisosh: 2 HIR's
Alexey Tikhonov: 2 HIR's
Alex Leshok: 2 HIR's (Georgian?)
Mikolaj Habryn: 2 HIR's
Alexandra Karasik: 2 HIR's

the rest have 1 HIR.

Me:

Unknown Sitnikov Shenderov: 3 HIR's
Alexander Ganov: 3 HIR's
Nickolay Mochalov: 2 HIR's
Victor Vysotskiy: 2 HIR's
Lyubov Voronova: 2 HIR's
Evdokia Eskova: 2 HIR's
Margarita Evdokimova: 2 HIR's
Vadim Urasin: 2 HIR's
Ilya Pomygalski: 2 HIR's
Elena Shchekina: 2 HIR's
Marek Kendziora: 2 HIR's (Polish?)
Ruth Rymkus Batakis: 2 HIR's
Natalia Temosh: 2 HIR's

the rest have 1 HIR.

my questions is, what should i pay attention to, these compiled segments, or the larger ones that i mentioned before only?

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Re: My autosomal matches are from Russia
« Ответ #20 : 13 Декабрь 2011, 15:53:55 »
...my questions is, what should i pay attention to, these compiled segments, or the larger ones that i mentioned before only?
Detailed Reports are much more informative.
"Show Relatives" gives a rough estimation, reporting a number of HIRs which GD is greater than specific threshold.

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Re: My autosomal matches are from Russia
« Ответ #21 : 13 Декабрь 2011, 15:59:23 »
...my questions is, what should i pay attention to, these compiled segments, or the larger ones that i mentioned before only?
Detailed Reports are much more informative.
"Show Relatives" gives a rough estimation, reporting a number of HIRs which GD is greater than specific threshold.

Is the threshold the same as default on detailed reports?

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Re: My autosomal matches are from Russia
« Ответ #22 : 13 Декабрь 2011, 18:53:54 »
for Ruslan & Timur Tazetdinov
their father (I am) Nail Tazetdinov
mother - Tatiana Dubrova
parents are presented in HIR's database
why they (me & wife) have not matches ?

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Re: My autosomal matches are from Russia
« Ответ #23 : 13 Декабрь 2011, 19:01:06 »

Maternal Uncle:

Aleksandr Sergachev: 2 HIR's

Paternal aunt:

Aleksandr Shtrunov: 4 HIR's

evon:

Nickolay Mochalov: 2 HIR's


Aleksandr Shtrunov - It I.
Nickolay Mochalov - My uncle, erzya people.
Aleksandr Sergachev - My uncle, erzya people.

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Re: My autosomal matches are from Russia
« Ответ #24 : 13 Декабрь 2011, 21:12:27 »
my questions is, what should i pay attention to, these compiled segments, or the larger ones that i mentioned before only?
The largest ones only.
I 've checked the composed HIRs for my daughter. She has more than 30% of the composed HIRs with the relatives shown as 5th cousins!
I.e. the relationship ranges are much more longer 'cause each HIR compose two parts. One out of my family lines. One from my wife's genetical heritage.

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Re: My autosomal matches are from Russia
« Ответ #25 : 13 Декабрь 2011, 21:17:41 »
About your list.

Maria Basatskaya, my wife's mother. Probably from modern Belarus.
Margarita Evdokimova, my mother. Central Russia.
Natalia Temosh, my sister. Russian and Ukrainian mix with slightly German and Polish traces.

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Re: My autosomal matches are from Russia
« Ответ #26 : 14 Декабрь 2011, 00:51:48 »
i wish there was a function in HIR search where you could compare more then one sample with multiple as to check for segments across several generations..

are all of you listed on gedmatch.com? if so i can check the various segements there too.

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Re: My autosomal matches are from Russia
« Ответ #27 : 19 Декабрь 2011, 04:59:15 »
Hello,

Genka Kostova is my mother.
She is from Bulgaria. Her mother was Jewish and her father was Macedonian (or Serbian).
On the Jewish side,
   - my mother's grandfather (Yosif Finkelstein)'s ancestry appears to be mostly from Ukraine according to Relative Finder, though Lithuania comes often as ancestry place as well; according to family legends he came from "somewhere in Russia".
   - We do not have any additional history on my mother's maternal grandmother (Oro Eshkenazi, maiden name), who was born in Bulgaria.

Tanya

For people who see Russian names between their RelFinder/FamFinder/HIR Search matches and want to ask to share/to help/to ...

Here are some of the ones i found using settings: 7cM and 700 SNP's:


Maternal grandmother:
                                  cM  Chr  SNP
Russian: Victor Emtsov, 7,90, 9, 727
Tatar?: Elena Bushueva, 7.30, 9,  950 a close Tatar relative found in Relative finder.
Russian: Alexei Kochetov, 7,30, 16, 1118
Russian: Vasiliy Gavrilov, 6,10, 9, 963 also found in Relative finder.

Maternal uncle:

Russian/Jew?: Dinoel Sinykisosh, 8,40, 1, 778
Russian: Irina Gurianova, 6,30, 4, 841
Russian/jew?: Alexander Lifanov, 6,20, 1, 788
Belarussian?: Angela Sushko, 6,10, 10, 1002

Me:

Russian: Genka Kostova, 8,70, 1, 844
Russian: Alexander Larionov, 8,60, 4, 1032 also found in Relative finder.
Russian: Elena Shchekina, 8,10, 1, 785

Paternal aunt:

Russian: Alexander Larionov, 9, 4, 1074 also found in Relative finder.

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Re: My autosomal matches are from Russia
« Ответ #28 : 19 Декабрь 2011, 11:57:47 »
i wish there was a function in HIR search where you could compare more then one sample with multiple as to check for segments across several generations..

are all of you listed on gedmatch.com? if so i can check the various segements there too.
You can select specific chromosome and then sort by HIR Start. You will see groups of people sharing the same HIRs.

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Re: My autosomal matches are from Russia
« Ответ #29 : 19 Декабрь 2011, 16:13:11 »
i am working on something which might be very informative, i have created a google map and google spreadsheet which i will fill with data on the matches i have in eastern europe and so on:

map:
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=206229773377001645297.0004afa4a94bf89d40707&msa=0&ll=54.72462,56.425781&spn=39.330206,135.263672

Spreadhseet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmrjskaD3Uj8dHUwZnpGdDZYc0t2aC1SN0J4cnhLYWc

i will try to fill it in as best i can, if you see an error then please let me know and i will correct it as soon as possible :)

 

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