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[smal]

vuglik,

1. Проверил данные. Все правильно кроме GATA-H4. Должно быть 11, исправьте в своем Ysearch.

2. Как я и предполагал, ваш гаплотип попал в давно известный восточноевропейский кластер R1b-Z2103, возникший на рубеже нашей эры.
Вот он:

Мы знали ранее, что ветка имеет снипы Z2103+ L584- L277-. Поскольку вы первый из нашего кластера, кто сделал Geno 2.0, этим вы смогли подтвердить, что, вероятно, вся наша подветка имеет снипы CTS7822+ CTS9219+.

3. Не пугайтесь необычных значений, таких как DYS439=8. У меня,например, DYS459=13, тоже редкость.

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Означает ли Ваш совет, что существует некое недоверие к методике тестирования других организаций? Поясню... Я трестировался по 46 маркерам в 2009 у Ancestry. Потом повторил тест в SMGF. Результаты вышли идентичными. Из чего я сделал вывод, что они не только идентичны, но и правильны. Но не исключаю, что я что-то упускаю 

Нет никакой нужды перепроверять уже полученные результаты, просто 46-ти как-то маловато      

[vuglik]

vuglik,

1. Проверил данные. Все правильно кроме GATA-H4. Должно быть 11, исправьте в своем Ysearch.

2. Как я и предполагал, ваш гаплотип попал в давно известный восточноевропейский кластер R1b-Z2103, возникший на рубеже нашей эры.
Вот он:

Мы знали ранее, что ветка имеет снипы Z2103+ L584- L277-. Поскольку вы первый из нашего кластера, кто сделал Geno 2.0, этим вы смогли подтвердить, что, вероятно, вся наша подветка имеет снипы CTS7822+ CTS9219+.

3. Не пугайтесь необычных значений, таких как DYS439=8. У меня,например, DYS459=13, тоже редкость.

Smal,
Спасибо за классификацию гаплотипа и вообще
В связи с вашими ответами появились новые вопросы...
1. У меня на Ancestry GATA-H4=12, вы же предлагаете поменять на 11. Это чтобы привести в соответствие с FTDNA-стандартом?
2. Если я понимаю все верно, Geno 2.0  помещает меня сюда: M343+ => P297+ => L23+ => L150+. Причем L150 - мой конечный пока снип.   А где в этой цепочке находится Z2103? И почему я не вижу Z2103 в списке выданном Geno 2.0? Или Z2103 называется как-то иначе в другой номенклатуре?

[smal]

1. У меня на Ancestry GATA-H4=12, вы же предлагаете поменять на 11. Это чтобы привести в соответствие с FTDNA-стандартом?

Да

2. Если я понимаю все верно, Geno 2.0  помещает меня сюда: M343+ => P297+ => L23+ => L150+. Причем L150 - мой конечный пока снип.   А где в этой цепочке находится Z2103? И почему я не вижу Z2103 в списке выданном Geno 2.0? Или Z2103 называется как-то иначе в другой номенклатуре?

Дерево, которое показывает ftdna устарело, их софт не успевает за их собственными исследованиями. Нет такого уровня L23>L150 сейчас, L150, вероятно, находится выше L23, скорее всего на уровне M269. После L23 сейчас известны 2 ветви:
R1b1a2a1: L23>L51 (Западная Европа)
R1b1a2a2: L23>Z2103 (Южная (от Италии) и Юго-Восточная Европа, Кавказ, Азия)
В чипе Geno 2.0 нет снипа Z2103 (или Z2105), просто есть человек, который сделал и Geno 2.0, и заказал индивидуально Z2103. Поэтому мы знаем, что снипы CTS7822 и CTS9219 идут после Z2103. Кроме того те Z2103, которые образуют ветви L584 и L277, этих двух снипов не имеют.
Т.е есть ветви:
L23>Z2103>CTS7822, CTS9219 (ваша)
L23>Z2103>L584
L23>Z2103>L277

Можете заказать индивидуально Z2103, чтобы подтвердить это все.

[smal]

Не могли бы Вы посоветовать материалы по соответствию Ysearch и FTDNA.

Формат Ysearch полностью соответствует формату ftdna. Ничего не надо менять, просто ввести те же цифры.

[vuglik]

Можете заказать индивидуально Z2103, чтобы подтвердить это все.

Это очень интересно - буду копать дальше. Z2103 - у FTDNA есть?

[smal]

Это очень интересно - буду копать дальше. Z2103 - у FTDNA есть?

Да, конечно, через кнопку Order an Advanced Test.

Я бы советовал как-то перенести в Ftdna ваши STRы, чтобы иметь возможность их далее наращивать до 67 и 111. Другая возможность - новый тест BigY. Дорогой, конечно, но и польза от него обещает быть очень существенная для разработки более детальных ветвей Z2103. К сожалению, большая часть людей Z2103 не западноевропейцы, поэтому развитие ветви очень медленно идет.

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чтобы иметь возможность их далее наращивать до 67 и 111

так вот и я на это деликатно намекаю).

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Появились новые/старые родственники у г-на Krygin:

Tatiana Kapustina      3rd Cousin - 5th Cousin   4th Cousin   56,43   13,04                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
Andrey Bykanov      3rd Cousin - 5th Cousin   4th Cousin   37,43   12,73                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
Alexey Eskov      4th Cousin - Remote Cousin   -   36,34   12,45                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
Viktor Efanov      4th Cousin - Remote Cousin   -   50,31   11,56                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
Mikhail Selivanov      5th Cousin - Remote Cousin   -   40,08   8,44                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
Vasily Ivanov      4th Cousin - Remote Cousin   -   43,87   10,51                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              

[mladshij]

Tatiana Kapustina - моя тёща. Среди предков есть выходцы из Воронежской губернии.

[mefo]

Tatiana Kapustina - моя тёща. Среди предков есть выходцы из Воронежской губернии.

Общий предок родился где-то в первой половине 18 в. По Крыгину кроме Щигровского уезда мы пока ничего не знаем..

[mladshij]

Tatiana Kapustina - моя тёща. Среди предков есть выходцы из Воронежской губернии.

Общий предок родился где-то в первой половине 18 в. Кроме Щигровского уезда мы пока ничего не знаем..

Её предки пока плохо изучены. Так что ничего осмысленного пока сказать не могу.

Но Михаил Крыгин занимает у Татьяны Капрустиной в списке совпаденцев почётное второе место. Первое место - предполагаемый дальний родственник Татьяны (из того же села).

[mefo]

Tatiana Kapustina - моя тёща. Среди предков есть выходцы из Воронежской губернии.

Общий предок родился где-то в первой половине 18 в. Кроме Щигровского уезда мы пока ничего не знаем..

Её предки пока плохо изучены. Так что ничего осмысленного пока сказать не могу.

Но Михаил Крыгин занимает у Татьяны Капрустиной в списке совпаденцев почётное второе место. Первое место - предполагаемый дальний родственник Татьяны (из того же села).

Что ж, тогда давайте потихоньку восстанавливать линии, может когда-нибудь и найдём точку пересечения.

[jonytamal]

Встречал фамилию Крыгин в Оренбургской губернии в метрических книгах Преображенского завода (Зилаир) и села Чукари-Ивановка. Но это уже 19 век.

[vuglik]

чтобы иметь возможность их далее наращивать до 67 и 111

так вот и я на это деликатно намекаю).

Я буду стараться.
Пока развлекаюсь с результатами 23andme, которые только что получил. А вот и вопрос, кстати: там можно вытянуть "сырые" данные теста - от них какая-нибудь практическая польза будет, или баловство это все?...