Карельская ветвь I1

[Аббат Бузони]

This make's sense, of course it's that way. I hope so much we get more Karelian to participate this so then it will be guite sure. Mr Koskinen asked if we could consider WTY test, but it's so expencive so we might pass it. Do you think we need to take more SNP etc. test from these I Lesonen?  I can pay some test by myself from Matvej Lesonen, who is my ancestor.

If there is money to pass WTY test, it would be not bad. While I would advise to you to be tested on SNP L813.

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194756   Lesonen_001
182948   Lesonen_002
182946   Lesonen_003

[Sari H]

Very interesting this Novoselov history! He's ancestors can be from WSKarelia area before 1700 century.

I have been thinking that this Karelian mutation cannot be older than 2000 years! Maybe younger..... ofcourse we dont have many test results yet, but it might explain the lack of matches to Karelian I people. I dont know Novoselov's and Beljajeff's matches, but  Lesonen have only themselves and Beljajeff in matchlist. If the mutation is so young there is not lot of people who carry this mutation... Also as we know WS Karelian history ( there has been so many conflict's where they have lot their lifes) this might be the right answer...


WTY - I will think about it. If we get funds, that might be ordered then. I know it could be solution to solve the haplogroup. We might get own haplogroup to the I tree...but let's see if we get money to that later.

I will order now that SNP L813 to Matvej Lesonen.

[Sari H]

L813 is now ordered to KIT 182946. I just cheked his matches and there is in 25 marker panel 4 matches who I wonder why they show in our matchlist:
1. Smith
2. Two differend Griffin
3. Cox

I dont know their KIT nbrs but could it be possible to find them and look it they have also those Karelian mutations?

I will email them and ask KIT nbr.

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I think to you it will be interesting:

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L813 is now ordered to KIT 182946. I just cheked his matches and there is in 25 marker panel 4 matches who I wonder why they show in our matchlist:
1. Smith
2. Two differend Griffin
3. Cox

I dont know their KIT nbrs but could it be possible to find them and look it they have also those Karelian mutations?

I will email them and ask KIT nbr.

It is better to ask them № kits.

[chelmohotsky]

I dont know their KIT nbrs but could it be possible to find them and look it they have also those Karelian mutations?

I will email them and ask KIT nbr.

Sari H, you can see their kit numbers on the map where all the matches are displayed. Just click on a  match. However, not all the users provided longitude and latitude.

I compared haplotypes from the North Dvina DNA project and yours, they are quite far away from each other. The closest ones are at a genetic distance of 15 on 67 markers or about 50 generations (for probability 75%).

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Map: "I1d-L22+ Karelian branch" - Link

Table haplotypes: "I1d-L22+ Karelian branch" - Link

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As Karelians have got to areas of Vologda, Permi, Udmurtiya, Kirov you can read here - link.

[Sari H]

L813 is now ordered to KIT 182946. I just cheked his matches and there is in 25 marker panel 4 matches who I wonder why they show in our matchlist:
1. Smith
2. Two differend Griffin
3. Cox

I dont know their KIT nbrs but could it be possible to find them and look it they have also those Karelian mutations?

I will email them and ask KIT nbr.

It is better to ask them № kits.

Here is one Griffins KIT 129191 he is at Bahama DNA project.

[Sari H]

I dont know their KIT nbrs but could it be possible to find them and look it they have also those Karelian mutations?

I will email them and ask KIT nbr.

Sari H, you can see their kit numbers on the map where all the matches are displayed. Just click on a  match. However, not all the users provided longitude and latitude.

I compared haplotypes from the North Dvina DNA project and yours, they are quite far away from each other. The closest ones are at a genetic distance of 15 on 67 markers or about 50 generations (for probability 75%).

Unfortunately they have put it hidden...so thats why I cannot see those in the match map. Thank you for letting me know about this genetic distance to ND project testperson. So they have common ancestor, but so far away in the past.

[Sari H]

I cannot understand this BahamaDNA project
http://home.comcast.net/~libpjr1/bahamasdna.htm where they have hidden the Y results??  You should be Sherlok Holmes to find those....

[Sari H]

I compared haplotypes from the North Dvina DNA project and yours, they are quite far away from each other. The closest ones are at a genetic distance of 15 on 67 markers or about 50 generations (for probability 75%).


If I use this calculator http://www.scs.illinois.edu/~mcdonald/tmrca.htm 15 of 67 markers gives us ~45 generation ago TMRCA.

[Sari H]

I found COX and Griffin from Ysearch.

[Sari H]

Map: "I1d-L22+ Karelian branch" - Link

Table haplotypes: "I1d-L22+ Karelian branch" - Link

Thank you Abbot of these link's. I will now go and look at those!