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Re: Проект Magnus Ducatus Lituaniae ре
« Ответ #1245 : 20 Февраль 2017, 23:51:28 »
Мои результаты MDLP K16

Admix Results (sorted):

#   Population   Percent
1   NorthEastEuropean   27.07
2   Neolithic.                     26.42
3   Caucasian                   25.32
4   Steppe                           19.15


Finished reading population data. 516 populations found.
16 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Croat @ 2.958490
2 Hungarian @ 3.689320
3 Slovenian @ 3.854905
4 Croat @ 4.338519
5 Hungarian @ 4.402178
6 German_Lipsian @ 4.467645
7 Bosnian @ 4.475059
8 Serbian @ 4.776313
9 Slovak @ 4.945851
10 Pole @ 5.583614
11 Czech @ 5.595189
12 Austrian @ 5.734283
13 German @ 5.811449
14 Pole @ 5.979640
15 Dutch @ 6.248774
16 German @ 6.577392
17 Sorb @ 6.671030
18 Ukrainian @ 6.747499
19 Serbian @ 6.756132
20 Ukrainians_west @ 6.778137

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Pole +50% Serbian @ 2.079176

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Belarusian +25% German +25% Greek @ 2.071717


Using 4 populations approximation:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Bulgarian + German + Pole + Pole @ 1.805260
2 Bulgarian + German_Lipsian + German + Pole @ 1.806487
3 Bulgarian + German + Pole + Ukrainian @ 1.870481
4 Croat + German + Pole + Serbian @ 1.883024
5 Bulgarian + German + Pole + Pole @ 1.884088
6 Bulgarian + German + Pole + Pole @ 1.884128
7 German + Hungarian + Macedonian + Pole @ 1.895390
8 German + Greek + Lithuanian + Pole @ 1.899666
9 Bulgarian + German + Hungarian + Pole @ 1.903926
10 Bulgarian + German + Hungarian + Pole @ 1.910102
11 German + Hungarian + Macedonian + Pole @ 1.911381
12 Belarusian + Bulgarian + German_Lipsian + German @ 1.914519
13 Belarusian + Bulgarian + German + Hungarian @ 1.921641
14 Belarusian + German + Hungarian + Macedonian @ 1.921857
15 Bulgarian + German + Pole + Pole @ 1.923431
16 Bulgarian + German + Hungarian + Pole @ 1.923681
17 Bulgarian + German + Pole + Slovak @ 1.926759
18 Belarusian + German + Serbian + Serbian @ 1.935031
19 Belarusian + German + Hungarian + Macedonian @ 1.948725
20 German + Pole + Serbian + Serbian @ 1.951856

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Re: Проект Magnus Ducatus Lituaniae
« Ответ #1246 : 21 Февраль 2017, 00:21:13 »
Близость современных славян к центральной Европе поздней бронзы как бы намекает на правдивость теории о линии преемственности Лужицкая культура-Зарубинецкая культура-Ранние славяне. При чем вклад зарубинецкой был очень и очень значимим, если взглянуть на 23-25% неолитического компонента восточных славян. В Срубной культуре, позднем Бронзовом веке  Балтики и Железном веке России его только около 10%, в скифе еще меньше 6,7%. То есть зарубинцы совсем немного выходит ассимилировали местное население Полесья, если и вообще кого то ассимилировали. Иначе пропорции совсем другими были бы в современных восточных славянах.
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Re: Проект Magnus Ducatus Lituaniae
« Ответ #1247 : 21 Февраль 2017, 23:43:16 »


Мои результаты по новому калькулятору K11


Kit Num:
Threshold of components set to 1.000
Threshold of method set to 0.25%
Personal data has been read. 20 approximations mode.
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MDLP K11 Modern 4-Ancestors Oracle

This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
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Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

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Admix Results (sorted):

#   Population   Percent
1   WHG   44.37
2   EHG   26.22
3   Neolithic   23.08
4   Amerindian   3.08
5   Siberian   2.64

(735) End of data. popN=151

Finished reading population data. 161 populations found.
11 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Unetice_EBA @ 5.433028
2 Corded_Ware_Proto_Unetice_Poland @ 6.227992
3 Corded_Ware_Estonia @ 6.635735
4 Nordic_LN @ 7.480321
5 Nordic_IA @ 8.167973
6 Nordic_MN_B @ 8.512114
7 Nordic_LBA @ 8.707631
8 British_AngloSaxon @ 8.810521
9 BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN @ 8.848799
10 Bell_Beaker_Czech @ 9.007687
11 Poltavka_MBA_outlier @ 9.442945
12 Nordic_BattleAxe @ 10.099003
13 Nordic_BA @ 10.356607
14 Halberstadt_LBA @ 10.480737
15 Nordic_BA @ 10.738081
16 Sintashta_MBA @ 11.261548
17 Irish_BA @ 11.542821
18 Alberstedt_LN @ 11.710073
19 Unetice_MBA @ 11.893252
20 Bell_Beaker_Germany @ 12.249624

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Hungary_BA +50% Samara_HG @ 3.741345


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Halberstadt_LBA +25% Hungary_IronAge +25% Karelia_HG @ 1.691190


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Halberstadt_LBA + Halberstadt_LBA + Hungary_IronAge + Karelia_HG @ 1.691190
2 Bell_Beaker_Germany + Halberstadt_LBA + Hungary_IronAge + Karelia_HG @ 1.879598
3 Alberstedt_LN + Halberstadt_LBA + Hungary_IronAge + Karelia_HG @ 1.943024
4 Bell_Beaker_Czech + Halberstadt_LBA + Hungary_IronAge + Karelia_HG @ 2.087044
5 Alberstedt_LN + Alberstedt_LN + Bell_Beaker + Karelia_HG @ 2.107523
6 British_Celtic + Halberstadt_LBA + Hungary_IronAge + Karelia_HG @ 2.160662
7 Alberstedt_LN + Bell_Beaker + British_Celtic + Karelia_HG @ 2.179446
8 Bell_Beaker_Czech + Bell_Beaker_Germany + Hungary_IronAge + Karelia_HG @ 2.181672
9 Alberstedt_LN + Hungary_BA + Poltavka_MBA_outlier + Siberian_Ice_Age @ 2.195393
10 Bell_Beaker_Germany + Bell_Beaker_Germany + Hungary_IronAge + Karelia_HG @ 2.255370
11 Alberstedt_LN + Bell_Beaker_Czech + Hungary_IronAge + Karelia_HG @ 2.263663
12 Alberstedt_LN + Bell_Beaker_Germany + Hungary_IronAge + Karelia_HG @ 2.280920
13 Alberstedt_LN + Nordic_BA + Siberian_Ice_Age + Unetice_EBA @ 2.291718
14 Alberstedt_LN + British_AngloSaxon + Siberian_Ice_Age + Unetice_EBA @ 2.299331
15 Alberstedt_LN + Bell_Beaker_Czech + British_AngloSaxon + Siberian_Ice_Age @ 2.313478
16 Alberstedt_LN + Bell_Beaker_Czech + Nordic_BA + Siberian_Ice_Age @ 2.327798
17 Halberstadt_LBA + Hungary_BA + Poltavka_MBA_outlier + Siberian_Ice_Age @ 2.329352
18 Alberstedt_LN + British_AngloSaxon + British_AngloSaxon + Siberian_Ice_Age @ 2.329670
19 British_AngloSaxon + Halberstadt_LBA + Hungary_IronAge + Karelia_HG @ 2.345598
20 Alberstedt_LN + Bell_Beaker + Bell_Beaker_Germany + Karelia_HG @ 2.345607

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Re: Проект Magnus Ducatus Lituaniae
« Ответ #1248 : 22 Февраль 2017, 00:43:02 »
#   Population   Percent
1    WHG    42.08
2    Neolithic    28.03
3    EHG    25.25
4    SEA    1.76
5    Iran-Mesolithic    1.19
6    Basal    0.94
7    Siberian    0.76

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Unetice_EBA @ 3.110707
2 Bell_Beaker_Czech @ 4.161278
3 British_AngloSaxon @ 4.229278
4 Nordic_LN @ 4.444675
5 Halberstadt_LBA @ 5.267296
6 Nordic_MN_B @ 5.447079
7 Alberstedt_LN @ 6.124644
8 Bell_Beaker_Germany @ 6.433556
9 Nordic_IA @ 6.601389
10 Nordic_BA @ 6.620194
11 BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN @ 6.639635
12 Corded_Ware_Proto_Unetice_Poland @ 6.884553
13 British_IronAge @ 7.088006
14 Nordic_LBA @ 7.211408
15 British_Celtic @ 7.677939
16 Corded_Ware_Estonia @ 9.018982
17 Nordic_BattleAxe @ 9.328829
18 Irish_BA @ 11.318859
19 Unetice_MBA @ 11.962584
20 Bell_Beaker @ 13.329044

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bell_Beaker_Czech +50% Unetice_EBA @ 2.593775


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Poltavka_MBA_outlier +25% Unetice_EBA +25% Vatya_MBA @ 2.368819


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 British_AngloSaxon + Poltavka_MBA_outlier + Poltavka_MBA_outlier + Vatya_MBA @ 2.225960
2 Alberstedt_LN + British_AngloSaxon + Unetice_EBA + Unetice_EBA @ 2.237084
3 Alberstedt_LN + Unetice_EBA + Unetice_EBA + Unetice_EBA @ 2.247582
4 Alberstedt_LN + Nordic_BA + Unetice_EBA + Unetice_EBA @ 2.254589
5 Alberstedt_LN + British_IronAge + Nordic_BA + Poltavka_MBA_outlier @ 2.266202
6 Bell_Beaker_Germany + Unetice_EBA + Unetice_EBA + Unetice_EBA @ 2.285990
7 British_Celtic + Unetice_EBA + Unetice_EBA + Unetice_EBA @ 2.291183
8 Alberstedt_LN + Corded_Ware_Estonia + Nordic_BA + Unetice_EBA @ 2.318978
9 Hungary_BA + Irish_BA + Nordic_BA + Poltavka_MBA_outlier @ 2.326473
10 Halberstadt_LBA + Unetice_EBA + Unetice_EBA + Unetice_EBA @ 2.332753
11 Alberstedt_LN + Corded_Ware_Estonia + Hungary_BA + Poltavka_MBA_outlier @ 2.339975
12 Nordic_BA + Poltavka_MBA_outlier + Poltavka_MBA_outlier + Vatya_MBA @ 2.357266
13 British_AngloSaxon + Halberstadt_LBA + Unetice_EBA + Unetice_EBA @ 2.357427
14 Bell_Beaker_Germany + Corded_Ware_Estonia + Nordic_BA + Unetice_EBA @ 2.358650
15 Poltavka_MBA_outlier + Poltavka_MBA_outlier + Unetice_EBA + Vatya_MBA @ 2.368819
16 Alberstedt_LN + Bell_Beaker_Germany + Nordic_BA + Poltavka_MBA_outlier @ 2.370118
17 Alberstedt_LN + British_AngloSaxon + British_IronAge + Poltavka_MBA_outlier @ 2.383310
18 Alberstedt_LN + Alberstedt_LN + Nordic_BA + Poltavka_MBA_outlier @ 2.388897
19 Bell_Beaker_Germany + British_AngloSaxon + Unetice_EBA + Unetice_EBA @ 2.389611
20 British_IronAge + Unetice_EBA + Unetice_EBA + Unetice_EBA @ 2.394164

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Re: Проект Magnus Ducatus Lituaniae
« Ответ #1249 : 22 Февраль 2017, 00:54:00 »
Т.к. у меня бурятские дальние влияния уводят всегда далеко (1. Corded_Ware_Proto_Unetice_Poland @ 9.764933      2. Corded_Ware_Estonia @ 9.950146
      3 Unetice_MBA @ 10.08834), то приведу близких.

Моя бабушка по маме:
#   Population   Percent
1    WHG    43.26
2    EHG    27.21
3    Neolithic    24.64
4    Iran-Mesolithic    1.57
5    Basal    1.40

(735) End of data. popN=151

Finished reading population data. 161 populations found.
11 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Unetice_EBA @ 2.422022
2 Nordic_LN @ 4.627120
3 Corded_Ware_Proto_Unetice_Poland @ 4.845137
4 Corded_Ware_Estonia @ 5.308509
5 BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN @ 6.113347
6 Nordic_IA @ 6.353359
7 Nordic_MN_B @ 6.606375
8 Bell_Beaker_Czech @ 6.828966
9 British_AngloSaxon @ 7.115720
10 Nordic_LBA @ 7.326765
11 Nordic_BattleAxe @ 7.848185
12 Halberstadt_LBA @ 8.442999
13 Alberstedt_LN @ 9.296616
14 Poltavka_MBA_outlier @ 9.662368
15 Nordic_BA @ 9.687479
16 Bell_Beaker_Germany @ 9.855806
17 Irish_BA @ 9.918848
18 British_IronAge @ 10.789003
19 Sintashta_MBA @ 11.094110
20 British_Celtic @ 11.210077

Мама:
#   Population   Percent
1    WHG    43.07
2    EHG    27.27
3    Neolithic    24.63
4    Siberian    1.80
5    Basal    1.24

(735) End of data. popN=151

Finished reading population data. 161 populations found.
11 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Unetice_EBA @ 3.303519
2 Nordic_LN @ 5.304725
3 Corded_Ware_Proto_Unetice_Poland @ 5.374908
4 Corded_Ware_Estonia @ 5.801727
5 BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN @ 6.688122
6 Nordic_MN_B @ 6.789070
7 Bell_Beaker_Czech @ 6.821122
8 Nordic_IA @ 7.220430
9 British_AngloSaxon @ 7.246315
10 Nordic_LBA @ 8.077426
11 Nordic_BattleAxe @ 8.317469
12 Halberstadt_LBA @ 8.473119
13 Alberstedt_LN @ 9.267441
14 Nordic_BA @ 9.470851
15 Irish_BA @ 9.888809
16 Bell_Beaker_Germany @ 9.986240
17 Poltavka_MBA_outlier @ 9.994465
18 British_IronAge @ 11.082973
19 British_Celtic @ 11.271894
20 Unetice_MBA @ 11.322867

Родственник из Беларуси, уроженец родового патернального села:
1 Unetice_EBA @ 4.609532
2 Corded_Ware_Estonia @ 5.132119
3 Corded_Ware_Proto_Unetice_Poland @ 5.631069
4 Nordic_LN @ 6.241756
5 BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN @ 7.138776
6 Nordic_MN_B @ 7.858326
7 Nordic_IA @ 7.891916
8 Nordic_BattleAxe @ 8.222058
9 Bell_Beaker_Czech @ 8.252996
10 British_AngloSaxon @ 8.761169
11 Poltavka_MBA_outlier @ 8.806079
12 Nordic_LBA @ 8.835723
13 Irish_BA @ 9.820807
14 Halberstadt_LBA @ 9.898178
15 Alberstedt_LN @ 10.531696
16 Sintashta_MBA @ 10.669945
17 Nordic_BA @ 11.083423
18 Bell_Beaker_Germany @ 11.356545
19 Unetice_MBA @ 11.494205
20 Nordic_BA @ 11.871034

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Re: Проект Magnus Ducatus Lituaniae
« Ответ #1250 : 22 Февраль 2017, 02:28:09 »
MDLP K16 2xOracle and OracleX4

Admix Results (sorted):

#   Population   Percent
1   NorthEastEuropean   33.80
2   Steppe   22.43
3   Neolithic   21.37
4   Caucasian   16.94
5   Siberian   2.64
6   Amerindian   2.23


Finished reading population data. 516 populations found.
16 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Finn @ 3.665660
2 Belarusian @ 3.989293
3 Ingrians @ 4.125274
4 Russian @ 4.658744
5 Belarusian @ 5.003789
6 Belarusian @ 5.299993
7 Cossack @ 5.440738
8 Pole @ 5.475903
9 Russian @ 5.527938
10 Estonian @ 5.576990
11 Latvian @ 5.647424
12 Russian @ 5.732458
13 Ukrainians_east @ 5.775303
14 Latvian_Dobele @ 5.775410
15 Swede @ 5.908208
16 Finn @ 5.942789
17 Russian @ 6.067448
18 Lithuanian @ 6.179500
19 Pole @ 6.403645
20 Ukrainians_north @ 6.415116

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Belarusian +50% Ingrians @ 2.341120


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Belarusian +25% Finn +25% Icelandic @ 2.080797


Using 4 populations approximation:

1 Finn + Latvian_Cesis + Orcadian + Pole @ 1.736791
2 Finn + Icelandic + Lithuanian + Pole @ 1.792600
3 Finn + Latvian + Pole + Scottish @ 1.807040
4 Finn + Lithuanian + Orcadian + Pole @ 1.810901

5 Finn + Latvian + Orcadian + Pole @ 1.826768
6 Finn + Lithuanian + Pole + Scottish @ 1.844659
7 Finn + Latvian_Cesis + Pole + Scottish @ 1.846018
8 Finn + Latvian + Russians-West + Scottish @ 1.846649
9 Belarusian + Finn + Latvian_Cesis + Orcadian @ 1.848466
10 Finn + Lithuanian + Orcadian + Russians-West @ 1.869314
11 Finn + Icelandic + Latvian + Pole @ 1.884919
12 Estonian + Finn + Orcadian + Pole @ 1.887094
13 Estonian + Finn + Pole + Scottish @ 1.894234
14 Finn + Lithuanian + Norwegian + Pole @ 1.895340
15 Belarusian + Finn + Icelandic + Russians-West @ 1.897137
16 Belarusian + Finn + Lithuanian + Orcadian @ 1.902822
17 Finn + Lithuanian + Orcadian + Pole @ 1.905427
18 Finn + Icelandic + Latvian_Cesis + Pole @ 1.906238
19 Finn + Latvian_Cesis + Norwegian + Pole @ 1.906463
20 Finn + Latvian_Cesis + Orcadian + Ukrainians_east @ 1.906636

Done.

Elapsed time 47.8211 seconds.

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Re: Проект Magnus Ducatus Lituaniae
« Ответ #1251 : 22 Февраль 2017, 02:31:41 »
Финн + Исландец + Латыш + Поляк

Кажется в K16 не включили Russian_North_West... как в K23b...

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Re: Проект Magnus Ducatus Lituaniae
« Ответ #1252 : 22 Февраль 2017, 19:53:44 »
Финн + Исландец + Латыш + Поляк

Кажется в K16 не включили Russian_North_West... как в K23b...

А вы с Северо-Западных областей? По результатам больше на Северо-Восток походит.

#   Population   Percent
1   NorthEastEuropean   32.72
2   Steppe   23.16
3   Neolithic   20.12
4   Caucasian   19.64
5   Siberian   1.76
6   Indian   1.35


Finished reading population data. 516 populations found.
16 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Belarusian @ 2.955407
2 Belarusian @ 3.828174
3 Pole @ 4.093198
4 Cossack @ 4.285207
5 Russian @ 4.579752
6 Russian @ 4.609507
7 Ukrainians_north @ 4.904127
8 Ukrainians_east @ 5.138463
9 Russian @ 5.529107
10 Pole @ 5.595065
11 Ukrainian @ 5.754031
12 Russian @ 5.788686
13 Russians-West @ 5.909261
14 Belarusian_East @ 5.930539
15 Russian_cossack @ 6.119915
16 Pole @ 6.131894
17 Pole @ 6.137161
18 Belarusian @ 6.317087
19 Finn @ 6.363817
20 Lithuanian @ 6.430908

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Belarusian +50% Belarusian @ 2.955407


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Pole +25% Russians-West +25% Scottish @ 2.557538


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Latvian_Cesis + Pole + Pole + Scottish @ 2.376647
2 Latvian_Cesis + Pole + Russian + Scottish @ 2.474296
3 Belarusian + Russians-West + Russians-West + Scottish @ 2.499511
4 Belarusian + Latvian_Cesis + Pole + Scottish @ 2.504503
5 Belarusian + Erzya_Moksha + Russians-West + Scottish @ 2.513361
6 Latvian_Cesis + Pole + Russian + Scottish @ 2.526120
7 Pole + Russians-West + Russians-West + Scottish @ 2.531162
8 Pole + Russian + Russians-West + Scottish @ 2.555148
9 Pole + Pole + Russians-West + Scottish @ 2.557538
10 Belarusian + Russian + Russians-West + Scottish @ 2.565658

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Re: Проект Magnus Ducatus Lituaniae
« Ответ #1253 : 22 Февраль 2017, 23:42:27 »
Финн + Исландец + Латыш + Поляк

Кажется в K16 не включили Russian_North_West... как в K23b...

А вы с Северо-Западных областей? По результатам больше на Северо-Восток походит.

По K23b калькулятору меня отнесли как раз к Северо-Западным Русским -

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Russian-North-West @ 4.557448
2 Russian-Upper-Volga @ 4.672831
3 Russian-West @ 4.845314
4 Russian_Meshtchyora @ 5.083710
5 Russian_North @ 5.610406
6 Sorb @ 6.314141
7 Belarusian-East @ 6.375125
8 Erzya @ 6.493247
9 Kashub @ 6.511312
10 Russian_South @ 6.573071
11 Finnish_FIN @ 6.833081
12 Belarusian_West @ 7.068030
13 Finnish-East @ 7.468376
14 Russian-North @ 7.481290
15 Ukrainian_Center @ 7.573701
16 Finn_East @ 7.580373
17 Finn_West @ 7.580749
18 Ukrainian_East @ 7.677742
19 Russian_Vologda @ 8.145389
20 Don_cossack @ 8.169399

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Finn_East +50% Sorb @ 3.090706


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Belarusian_Russian +25% Finn_East +25% Norwegian_West @ 2.768430


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Balt + Belarusian_Russian + Dane + Finn_East @ 2.662858
2 Balt + Dane + Finn_East + Mixed_East_Slav @ 2.664215
3 Balt + Belarusian_Russian + Russian-Ural + Swede @ 2.734361
4 Balt + Mixed_East_Slav + Russian-Ural + Swede @ 2.735470
5 Belarusian_Russian + Dane + Estonian + Russian-Ural @ 2.737094
6 Dane + Estonian + Mixed_East_Slav + Russian-Ural @ 2.739172
7 Belarusian_Russian + Finn_East + Russian-North-West + Swede_Saami @ 2.739701
8 Belarusian_Russian + Finn_East + Finn_West + Kashub @ 2.742314
9 Finn_East + Finn_West + Kashub + Mixed_East_Slav @ 2.745293
10 Balt + Belarusian_Russian + Dane + Finnish-East @ 2.749315
11 Balt + Dane + Finnish-East + Mixed_East_Slav @ 2.749534
12 Finn_East + Mixed_East_Slav + Russian-North-West + Swede_Saami @ 2.754208
13 Belarusian_Russian + Finnish-East + Russian-North-West + Swede_Saami @ 2.757113
14 Finnish-East + Mixed_East_Slav + Russian-North-West + Swede_Saami @ 2.759397
15 Belarusian_Russian + Finn_East + Mordovian + Swede @ 2.765279
16 Finn_East + Mixed_East_Slav + Mixed_East_Slav + Norwegian_West @ 2.767492
17 Finn_East + Mixed_East_Slav + Mordovian + Swede @ 2.767662
18 Belarusian_Russian + Finn_East + Mixed_East_Slav + Norwegian_West @ 2.767910
19 Belarusian_Russian + Belarusian_Russian + Finn_East + Norwegian_West @ 2.768430
20 Belarusian_Russian + Belarusian_Russian + Finn_East + Norwegian_East @ 2.769166

Также на карте Сергея Козлова, я расположен на линии Новгород-Унжа с самым ярким центром в Угличе -



Если посмотреть кого Веренич взял в референс по K23b калькулятору, то можно увидеть откуда взяты русские -

Russian-North
Russian-North-West
Russian-Upper-Volga
Russian-Ural
Russian-West
Russian_Center
Russian_Meshtchyora
Russian_North
Russian_South
Russian_Vologda

Однако в новом K16 калькуляторе таких точных указаний нет (кроме казаков (каких?) и запада)... Просто указано, что русские...

Russian
Russian
Russian_cossack
Russian
Russian
Russian
Russian
Russian
Russians-West

Интересно посмотреть кому на форуме в K16 эти русские окажутся ближайшими... Может быть ув. Вадим Веренич пояснит каких русских он взял в референс по K16?


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Re: Проект Magnus Ducatus Lituaniae
« Ответ #1254 : 23 Февраль 2017, 04:42:35 »
Финн + Исландец + Латыш + Поляк

Кажется в K16 не включили Russian_North_West... как в K23b...

А вы с Северо-Западных областей? По результатам больше на Северо-Восток походит.

По K23b калькулятору меня отнесли как раз к Северо-Западным Русским -

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Russian-North-West @ 4.557448
2 Russian-Upper-Volga @ 4.672831
3 Russian-West @ 4.845314
4 Russian_Meshtchyora @ 5.083710
5 Russian_North @ 5.610406
6 Sorb @ 6.314141
7 Belarusian-East @ 6.375125
8 Erzya @ 6.493247
9 Kashub @ 6.511312
10 Russian_South @ 6.573071
11 Finnish_FIN @ 6.833081
12 Belarusian_West @ 7.068030
13 Finnish-East @ 7.468376
14 Russian-North @ 7.481290
15 Ukrainian_Center @ 7.573701
16 Finn_East @ 7.580373
17 Finn_West @ 7.580749
18 Ukrainian_East @ 7.677742
19 Russian_Vologda @ 8.145389
20 Don_cossack @ 8.169399

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Finn_East +50% Sorb @ 3.090706


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Belarusian_Russian +25% Finn_East +25% Norwegian_West @ 2.768430


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Balt + Belarusian_Russian + Dane + Finn_East @ 2.662858
2 Balt + Dane + Finn_East + Mixed_East_Slav @ 2.664215
3 Balt + Belarusian_Russian + Russian-Ural + Swede @ 2.734361
4 Balt + Mixed_East_Slav + Russian-Ural + Swede @ 2.735470
5 Belarusian_Russian + Dane + Estonian + Russian-Ural @ 2.737094
6 Dane + Estonian + Mixed_East_Slav + Russian-Ural @ 2.739172
7 Belarusian_Russian + Finn_East + Russian-North-West + Swede_Saami @ 2.739701
8 Belarusian_Russian + Finn_East + Finn_West + Kashub @ 2.742314
9 Finn_East + Finn_West + Kashub + Mixed_East_Slav @ 2.745293
10 Balt + Belarusian_Russian + Dane + Finnish-East @ 2.749315
11 Balt + Dane + Finnish-East + Mixed_East_Slav @ 2.749534
12 Finn_East + Mixed_East_Slav + Russian-North-West + Swede_Saami @ 2.754208
13 Belarusian_Russian + Finnish-East + Russian-North-West + Swede_Saami @ 2.757113
14 Finnish-East + Mixed_East_Slav + Russian-North-West + Swede_Saami @ 2.759397
15 Belarusian_Russian + Finn_East + Mordovian + Swede @ 2.765279
16 Finn_East + Mixed_East_Slav + Mixed_East_Slav + Norwegian_West @ 2.767492
17 Finn_East + Mixed_East_Slav + Mordovian + Swede @ 2.767662
18 Belarusian_Russian + Finn_East + Mixed_East_Slav + Norwegian_West @ 2.767910
19 Belarusian_Russian + Belarusian_Russian + Finn_East + Norwegian_West @ 2.768430
20 Belarusian_Russian + Belarusian_Russian + Finn_East + Norwegian_East @ 2.769166

Также на карте Сергея Козлова, я расположен на линии Новгород-Унжа с самым ярким центром в Угличе -



Если посмотреть кого Веренич взял в референс по K23b калькулятору, то можно увидеть откуда взяты русские -

Russian-North
Russian-North-West
Russian-Upper-Volga
Russian-Ural
Russian-West
Russian_Center
Russian_Meshtchyora
Russian_North
Russian_South
Russian_Vologda

Однако в новом K16 калькуляторе таких точных указаний нет (кроме казаков (каких?) и запада)... Просто указано, что русские...

Russian
Russian
Russian_cossack
Russian
Russian
Russian
Russian
Russian
Russians-West

Интересно посмотреть кому на форуме в K16 эти русские окажутся ближайшими... Может быть ув. Вадим Веренич пояснит каких русских он взял в референс по K16?


То что русские без дальнейших указаний это ошибка Гедматча, а по к-23 у вас всё-таки слишком большая дистанция от NW, я просто подметил, что у вас по K16 многовато siberian и ameridian для СЗ, скорее на СВ походит.

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Re: Проект Magnus Ducatus Lituaniae
« Ответ #1255 : 23 Февраль 2017, 05:37:39 »
А что понимать под Северо-Восток? Пермь или Вятка? Как-то тоже не близко... Кстати, вот результаты по K27

Admixture-компоненты по К27:

  0.60%  Nilotic-Omotic     
  0.04%  Ancestral-South-Ind.
 49.36%  North-European-Balt.
  4.94%  Uralic             
  0.00%  Australo-Melanesian
  1.01%  East-Siberian       
  0.49%  Ancestral-Yayoi     
  6.52%  Caucasian-Near-East.
  0.00%  Tibeto-Burman       
  0.00%  Austronesian       
  0.00%  Central-African-Pygm
  0.02%  Central-African-HG 
  0.00%  Nilo-Saharian       
  0.76%  North-African       
  5.05%  Gedrosia-Caucasian 
  0.03%  Cushitic           
  0.00%  Congo-Pygmean       
  0.00%  Bushmen             
  1.73%  South-Meso-Amerind.
 11.65%  South-West-European
  0.51%  North-Amerindian   
  1.44%  Arabic             
  0.19%  North-Circumpolar   
  0.85%  Kalash             
  0.26%  Papuan-Australian   
 14.47%  Baltic-Finnic       
  0.08%  Bantu

4 Ancestors Oracle
Version 0.97 by Alexandr Burnashev

Data file is E:\genome_Sergey_Kozlov\AdMix4\4Anc097\Data_MDLP_W27.txt
27 components mode.
Population data has been read.  127 populations found.
Personal data has been read. 50 approximations mode.
Person: 
Threshold of components set to 0,29%
Gaussian method was disabled by user


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Russian_Uglich @ 2,784432
2 Russian_Unzha @ 3,8683
3 Russian_Novgorod @ 3,9766
4 Russian_Ivanovo @ 5,018192
5 Russian_Arzamas @ 5,027587
6 Russian_Meshtchyora @ 5,238041
7 Russian_Moscow @ 5,266886
8 Russian_Tatarstan_Arsk @ 5,295325
9 Russian_Saratov @ 5,402827
10 Russian_Solvychegodsk @ 5,667738
11 Russian_Ustyuzhna @ 5,695562
12 Russian_Kargopol_HGDP @ 5,701876
13 Russian_Siberia @ 5,774045
14 Russian_Voronezh @ 6,029509
15 Russian_Tver @ 6,044756
16 Russian_Ryazan @ 6,074305
17 Russian_Murom @ 6,200443
18 Russian_Vyatka @ 6,514445
19 Russian_Tambov @ 6,611712
20 Russian_Lipetsk @ 6,624969
21 Russian_Bryansk @ 6,737115
22 Russian_Kursk_Oryol @ 6,782177
23 Erzya @ 7,124282
24 Russian_Andreapol @ 7,450094
25 Russian_Smolensk @ 7,565887
26 Russian_Pskov @ 7,754434
27 Russian_Ural_East @ 7,961571
28 Belarusian_Gomel @ 8,013785
29 Belarusian_Minsk @ 8,078452
30 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 8,094444
31 Belarusian_Mogilyov @ 8,316347
32 Belarusian_West @ 8,432437
33 Belarusian_Vitebsk @ 8,458744
34 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,54246
35 Moksha @ 8,615195
36 Russian_Ural_West @ 9,184775
37 Polish @ 9,347828
38 Russian_Kuban @ 9,353977
39 Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 9,417207
40 Russian_Baykal @ 9,946589
41 Russian_Don_Cossack @ 10,129024
42 Lithuanian @ 10,35226
43 Ukrainian_Vinnitsa @ 10,754647
44 Ukrainian_Lvov @ 12,153889
45 Russian_Vyatka_NE @ 12,396926
46 Russian_North_Dvina @ 13,383604
47 Russian_Mezen_Pinega @ 14,399237
48 Slovak @ 14,755804
49 Estonian @ 14,79235
50 Latgalian @ 15,339679
127 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Russian_Novgorod+Russian_Uglich @ 2,667897
2 Russian_Uglich+Russian_Uglich @ 2,784432
3 Russian_Uglich+Russian_Unzha @ 2,822089
4 Belarusian_West+Russian_Kargopol_HGDP @ 3,104611
5 Russian_Kargopol_HGDP+Russian_Lipetsk @ 3,15494
6 Russian_Kargopol_HGDP+Russian_Murom @ 3,199262
7 Russian_Kargopol_HGDP+Russian_Uglich @ 3,248066
8 Russian_Kargopol_HGDP+Russian_Saratov @ 3,32669
9 Russian_Novgorod+Russian_Unzha @ 3,33638
10 Russian_Kargopol_HGDP+Russian_Tver @ 3,343666
11 Russian_Kargopol_HGDP+Russian_Voronezh @ 3,346081
12 Russian_Kargopol_HGDP+Russian_Moscow @ 3,351987
13 Russian_Arzamas+Russian_Kargopol_HGDP @ 3,384361
14 Russian_Pskov+Russian_Solvychegodsk @ 3,400724
15 Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Kargopol_HGDP @ 3,443399
16 Russian_Novgorod+Russian_Siberia @ 3,443656
17 Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Solvychegodsk @ 3,456248
18 Russian_Arzamas+Russian_Uglich @ 3,45691
19 Belarusian_Vitebsk+Russian_Solvychegodsk @ 3,47664
20 Belarusian_Minsk+Russian_Solvychegodsk @ 3,493608
21 Russian_Ivanovo+Russian_Uglich @ 3,499941
22 Russian_Kargopol_HGDP+Russian_Meshtchyora @ 3,512244
23 Polish+Russian_Kargopol_HGDP @ 3,526124
24 Russian_Kargopol_HGDP+Russian_Kursk_Oryol @ 3,532489
25 Russian_Andreapol+Russian_Solvychegodsk @ 3,54515
26 Russian_Kargopol_HGDP+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,54544
27 Russian_Moscow+Russian_Uglich @ 3,551444
28 Russian_Kargopol_HGDP+Russian_Ryazan @ 3,552021
29 Russian_Solvychegodsk+Russian_Uglich @ 3,556387
30 Russian_Novgorod+Russian_Solvychegodsk @ 3,583408
31 Russian_Uglich+Russian_Ustyuzhna @ 3,592762
32 Russian_Pskov+Russian_Siberia @ 3,606275
33 Russian_Arzamas+Russian_Unzha @ 3,64123
34 Russian_Moscow+Russian_Solvychegodsk @ 3,660009
35 Russian_Kargopol_HGDP+Russian_Smolensk @ 3,660905
36 Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Russian_Solvychegodsk @ 3,665414
37 Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Uglich @ 3,693674
38 Russian_Moscow+Russian_Unzha @ 3,706106
39 Russian_Saratov+Russian_Unzha @ 3,706171
40 Belarusian_Vitebsk+Russian_Kargopol_HGDP @ 3,707419
41 Russian_Tatarstan_Arsk+Russian_Uglich @ 3,719538
42 Russian_Kargopol_HGDP+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,728512
43 Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_Unzha @ 3,75549
44 Russian_Arzamas+Russian_Solvychegodsk @ 3,757214
45 Russian_Saratov+Russian_Uglich @ 3,779408
46 Belarusian_Gomel+Russian_Kargopol_HGDP @ 3,779677
47 Belarusian_Minsk+Russian_Kargopol_HGDP @ 3,784931
48 Russian_Novgorod+Russian_Tatarstan_Arsk @ 3,786272
49 Russian_Ivanovo+Russian_Kargopol_HGDP @ 3,818098
50 Russian_Solvychegodsk+Russian_Tver @ 3,825601
8128 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Russian_Murom +25% Estonian +25% Russian_Siberia @ 2,400382
2 50% Latgalian +25% German +25% Komi_Izhma @ 2,409384
3 50% Russian_Murom +25% Erzya +25% Estonian @ 2,424608
4 50% Russian_Uglich +25% Russian_Novgorod +25% Russian_Uglich @ 2,503794
5 50% Russian_Uglich +25% Belarusian_Vitebsk +25% Russian_North_Dvina @ 2,514934
6 50% Russian_Lipetsk +25% Lithuanian +25% Russian_Mezen_Pinega @ 2,516365
7 50% Russian_Lipetsk +25% Lithuanian +25% Russian_North_Dvina @ 2,534361
8 50% Russian_Saratov +25% Erzya +25% Estonian @ 2,538738
9 50% Russian_Uglich +25% Russian_Novgorod +25% Russian_Unzha @ 2,544927
10 50% Russian_Voronezh +25% Estonian +25% Russian_Siberia @ 2,551772
11 50% Belarusian_Vitebsk +25% Russian_North_Dvina +25% Russian_Uglich @ 2,555975
12 50% Russian_Uglich +25% Russian_Kargopol_HGDP +25% Russian_Novgorod @ 2,558062
13 50% Russian_Solvychegodsk +25% Lithuanian +25% Russian_Uglich @ 2,57939
14 50% Latgalian +25% German +25% Russian_Mezen_Pinega @ 2,590743
15 50% Russian_Kargopol_HGDP +25% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Uglich @ 2,596326
16 50% Russian_Saratov +25% Lithuanian +25% Russian_North_Dvina @ 2,59686
17 50% Russian_Uglich +25% Belarusian_Vitebsk +25% Russian_Kargopol_HGDP @ 2,597061
18 50% Russian_Uglich +25% Lithuanian +25% Russian_Solvychegodsk @ 2,598583
19 50% Russian_Uglich +25% Russian_Kargopol_HGDP +25% Russian_Uglich @ 2,599216
20 50% Russian_Solvychegodsk +25% Lithuanian +25% Russian_Lipetsk @ 2,608173
21 50% Russian_Uglich +25% Russian_Kargopol_HGDP +25% Russian_Moscow @ 2,618943
22 50% Russian_Uglich +25% Russian_Arzamas +25% Russian_Kargopol_HGDP @ 2,62489
23 50% Erzya +25% Estonian +25% Polish @ 2,629524
24 50% Russian_Murom +25% Estonian +25% Russian_Vyatka @ 2,630647
25 50% Erzya +25% Belarusian_West +25% Estonian @ 2,633832
26 50% Russian_Saratov +25% Estonian +25% Russian_Siberia @ 2,63474
27 50% Belarusian_West +25% Estonian +25% Russian_Vyatka_NE @ 2,636275
28 50% Belarusian_West +25% Estonian +25% Russian_Ural_West @ 2,636664
29 50% Russian_Murom +25% Estonian +25% Russian_Unzha @ 2,642986
30 50% Russian_Uglich +25% Russian_Uglich +25% Russian_Unzha @ 2,647654
31 50% Russian_Murom +25% Estonian +25% Russian_Solvychegodsk @ 2,660233
32 50% Russian_Murom +25% Estonian +25% Russian_Uglich @ 2,663671
33 50% Russian_Uglich +25% Russian_Novgorod +25% Russian_Solvychegodsk @ 2,664753
34 50% Russian_Murom +25% Estonian +25% Russian_Tatarstan_Arsk @ 2,668811
35 50% Russian_Uglich +25% Russian_Pskov +25% Russian_Solvychegodsk @ 2,668947
36 50% Russian_Voronezh +25% Erzya +25% Estonian @ 2,674229
37 50% Russian_Murom +25% Lithuanian +25% Vepsa @ 2,67626
38 50% Russian_Siberia +25% Estonian +25% Polish @ 2,679021
39 50% Russian_Uglich +25% Russian_Kargopol_HGDP +25% Russian_Smolensk @ 2,679383
40 50% Russian_Murom +25% Lithuanian +25% Russian_North_Dvina @ 2,68891
41 50% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Smolensk +25% Vepsa @ 2,689397
42 50% Russian_Lipetsk +25% Lithuanian +25% Vepsa @ 2,691721
43 50% Belarusian_West +25% Belarusian_Vitebsk +25% Vepsa @ 2,694026
44 50% Russian_Uglich +25% Russian_Kargopol_HGDP +25% Russian_Voronezh @ 2,694226
45 50% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Unzha +25% Vepsa @ 2,69541
46 50% Russian_Unzha +25% Latgalian +25% Swedish @ 2,695644
47 50% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Andreapol +25% Vepsa @ 2,699169
48 50% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Uglich +25% Vepsa @ 2,70838
49 50% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Novgorod +25% Vepsa @ 2,70905
50 50% Russian_Murom +25% Estonian +25% Russian_Ural_West @ 2,709426
678759 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Lithuanian+Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_North_Dvina+Russian_Uglich @ 2,311509
2 Belarusian_Vitebsk+Belarusian_West+Russian_Uglich+Vepsa @ 2,328058
3 Erzya+Estonian+Polish+Russian_Siberia @ 2,354466
4 Erzya+Estonian+Russian_Murom+Russian_Uglich @ 2,373176
5 Belarusian_West+Erzya+Estonian+Russian_Siberia @ 2,38916
6 Lithuanian+Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_Mezen_Pinega+Russian_Uglich @ 2,398809
7 Estonian+Russian_Murom+Russian_Murom+Russian_Siberia @ 2,400382
8 German+Komi_Izhma+Latgalian+Latgalian @ 2,409384
9 Belarusian_West+Erzya+Lithuanian+Vepsa @ 2,409953
10 Belarusian_West+Estonian+Russian_Murom+Russian_Ural_West @ 2,413559
11 Estonian+Russian_Murom+Russian_Siberia+Russian_Voronezh @ 2,413718
12 Erzya+Estonian+Russian_Murom+Russian_Saratov @ 2,41693
13 Lithuanian+Russian_North_Dvina+Russian_Uglich+Russian_Voronezh @ 2,423612
14 Belarusian_West+Estonian+Russian_Ural_West+Russian_Voronezh @ 2,424036
15 Erzya+Estonian+Polish+Russian_Uglich @ 2,424525
16 Erzya+Estonian+Russian_Murom+Russian_Murom @ 2,424608
17 Lithuanian+Russian_Murom+Russian_North_Dvina+Russian_Uglich @ 2,426692
18 Belarusian_West+Estonian+Russian_Saratov+Russian_Siberia @ 2,428161
19 Lithuanian+Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_North_Dvina+Russian_Saratov @ 2,42974
20 Lithuanian+Russian_Arzamas+Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_North_Dvina @ 2,433878
21 Belarusian_West+Erzya+Estonian+Russian_Uglich @ 2,435455
22 Belarusian_West+Estonian+Russian_Siberia+Russian_Voronezh @ 2,437071
23 Belarusian_West+Erzya+Estonian+Russian_Tatarstan_Arsk @ 2,448338
24 Erzya+Lithuanian+Polish+Vepsa @ 2,448395
25 Belarusian_West+Estonian+Russian_Murom+Russian_Siberia @ 2,451801
26 Estonian+Polish+Russian_Ural_West+Russian_Voronezh @ 2,454348
27 Estonian+Russian_Murom+Russian_Saratov+Russian_Siberia @ 2,455899
28 Lithuanian+Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_North_Dvina+Russian_Voronezh @ 2,457696
29 Lithuanian+Russian_North_Dvina+Russian_Saratov+Russian_Uglich @ 2,457708
30 Erzya+Estonian+Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_Murom @ 2,461678
31 Erzya+Estonian+Russian_Uglich+Russian_Voronezh @ 2,468431
32 Belarusian_West+Lithuanian+Russian_Lipetsk+Vepsa @ 2,470079
33 Belarusian_West+Estonian+Russian_Saratov+Russian_Ural_West @ 2,471644
34 Estonian+Polish+Russian_Murom+Russian_Ural_West @ 2,474185
35 Belarusian_Vitebsk+Belarusian_West+Russian_North_Dvina+Russian_Uglich @ 2,47476
36 Belarusian_West+Lithuanian+Russian_Saratov+Vepsa @ 2,475825
37 Estonian+Russian_Moscow+Russian_Murom+Russian_Siberia @ 2,476451
38 Belarusian_West+Estonian+Russian_Moscow+Russian_Siberia @ 2,477634
39 Lithuanian+Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_Moscow+Russian_North_Dvina @ 2,479028
40 Estonian+Russian_Murom+Russian_Siberia+Russian_Tver @ 2,490548
41 Erzya+Estonian+Russian_Murom+Russian_Voronezh @ 2,490876
42 Erzya+Estonian+Polish+Russian_Solvychegodsk @ 2,492091
43 Estonian+Polish+Russian_Moscow+Russian_Ural_West @ 2,495755
44 Lithuanian+Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_Murom+Russian_North_Dvina @ 2,496079
45 Estonian+Polish+Russian_Saratov+Russian_Ural_West @ 2,49835
46 Belarusian_West+Estonian+Russian_Moscow+Russian_Ural_West @ 2,498705
47 Belarusian_West+Estonian+Russian_Murom+Russian_Vyatka @ 2,499037
48 Erzya+Estonian+Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_Saratov @ 2,501918
49 Erzya+Estonian+Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_Uglich @ 2,503431
50 Russian_Novgorod+Russian_Uglich+Russian_Uglich+Russian_Uglich @ 2,503794
51 Belarusian_West+Lithuanian+Russian_Murom+Vepsa @ 2,505654
52 Belarusian_Vitebsk+Latgalian+Russian_Mezen_Pinega+Swedish @ 2,51084
53 Erzya+Estonian+Russian_Saratov+Russian_Uglich @ 2,511965
54 Belarusian_Vitebsk+Belarusian_West+Russian_Mezen_Pinega+Russian_Uglich @ 2,513613
55 Erzya+Estonian+Polish+Russian_Tatarstan_Arsk @ 2,514087
56 Belarusian_Vitebsk+Russian_North_Dvina+Russian_Uglich+Russian_Uglich @ 2,514934
57 Lithuanian+Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_Mezen_Pinega @ 2,516365
58 Belarusian_West+Lithuanian+Russian_Voronezh+Vepsa @ 2,517773
59 Estonian+Polish+Russian_Saratov+Russian_Siberia @ 2,518071
60 Erzya+Estonian+Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_Voronezh @ 2,519095
61 Belarusian_West+Erzya+Estonian+Russian_Saratov @ 2,519217
62 Erzya+Estonian+Polish+Russian_Unzha @ 2,519393
63 Belarusian_West+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Uglich+Vepsa @ 2,523264
64 Belarusian_West+Lithuanian+Russian_Mezen_Pinega+Russian_Uglich @ 2,5246
65 Erzya+Estonian+Russian_Moscow+Russian_Murom @ 2,52643
66 Lithuanian+Polish+Russian_Mezen_Pinega+Russian_Uglich @ 2,529517
67 Estonian+Polish+Russian_Siberia+Russian_Voronezh @ 2,52966
68 Estonian+Russian_Saratov+Russian_Siberia+Russian_Voronezh @ 2,531134
69 Belarusian_Vitebsk+Estonian+Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_Ural_West @ 2,53396
70 Lithuanian+Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_North_Dvina @ 2,534361
71 Estonian+Polish+Russian_Moscow+Russian_Siberia @ 2,536913
72 Erzya+Estonian+Russian_Saratov+Russian_Saratov @ 2,538738
73 Erzya+Estonian+Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_Moscow @ 2,541832
74 Belarusian_West+Lithuanian+Russian_North_Dvina+Russian_Uglich @ 2,543366
75 Lithuanian+Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_Mezen_Pinega+Russian_Murom @ 2,543831
76 Lithuanian+Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_North_Dvina @ 2,544144
77 Russian_Novgorod+Russian_Uglich+Russian_Uglich+Russian_Unzha @ 2,544927
78 Erzya+Estonian+Russian_Saratov+Russian_Voronezh @ 2,545248
79 Lithuanian+Russian_Lipetsk+Russian_Mezen_Pinega+Russian_Saratov @ 2,546417
80 Latgalian+Russian_Andreapol+Russian_Mezen_Pinega+Swedish @ 2,549586
81 Erzya+Estonian+Russian_Uglich+Ukrainian_Vinnitsa @ 2,550034
82 Estonian+Russian_Siberia+Russian_Voronezh+Russian_Voronezh @ 2,551772
83 Belarusian_Vitebsk+Belarusian_West+Russian_Saratov+Vepsa @ 2,555796
84 Belarusian_Vitebsk+Belarusian_Vitebsk+Russian_North_Dvina+Russian_Uglich @ 2,555975
85 Belarusian_West+Estonian+Russian_Murom+Russian_Solvychegodsk @ 2,558054
86 Russian_Kargopol_HGDP+Russian_Novgorod+Russian_Uglich+Russian_Uglich @ 2,558062
87 Belarusian_West+Estonian+Russian_Saratov+Russian_Vyatka @ 2,560028
88 Belarusian_West+Erzya+Estonian+Russian_Solvychegodsk @ 2,560397
89 Belarusian_Vitebsk+Russian_North_Dvina+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Uglich @ 2,560945
90 Lithuanian+Polish+Russian_North_Dvina+Russian_Uglich @ 2,56152
91 Estonian+Russian_Siberia+Russian_Tver+Russian_Voronezh @ 2,561662
92 Belarusian_Vitebsk+Estonian+Russian_Murom+Russian_Ural_West @ 2,562529
93 Belarusian_Vitebsk+Belarusian_West+Russian_Meshtchyora+Vepsa @ 2,562966
94 Estonian+Polish+Russian_Murom+Russian_Vyatka @ 2,564357
95 Belarusian_Vitebsk+Estonian+Russian_Ural_West+Ukrainian_Vinnitsa @ 2,566093
96 Estonian+Polish+Russian_Tver+Russian_Ural_West @ 2,567057
97 Belarusian_West+Estonian+Russian_Murom+Russian_Ural_East @ 2,567164
98 Belarusian_West+Lithuanian+Russian_North_Dvina+Russian_Tatarstan_Arsk @ 2,568695
99 Belarusian_West+Estonian+Russian_Voronezh+Russian_Vyatka @ 2,56881
100 Latgalian+Russian_Kargopol_HGDP+Russian_Unzha+Swedish @ 2,569076
5696283 iterations.



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Re: Проект Magnus Ducatus Lituaniae
« Ответ #1256 : 23 Февраль 2017, 06:47:24 »
То что русские без дальнейших указаний это ошибка Гедматча, а по к-23 у вас всё-таки слишком большая дистанция от NW, я просто подметил, что у вас по K16 многовато siberian и ameridian для СЗ, скорее на СВ походит.
Ну почему, по Spreadsheet там Siberian+Arctic+Amerindian у пяти русских выборок в диапазоне 3-4, у двух около 8 (думаю, это HGDP И Унжа) и у двух около 11 (думаю, Пинега и Архангельск). 4.87 Николы вполне можно проинтерпретировать как СЗ с некоторым сдвигом к СВ.

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Re: Проект Magnus Ducatus Lituaniae
« Ответ #1257 : 23 Февраль 2017, 16:29:02 »
То что русские без дальнейших указаний это ошибка Гедматча, а по к-23 у вас всё-таки слишком большая дистанция от NW, я просто подметил, что у вас по K16 многовато siberian и ameridian для СЗ, скорее на СВ походит.
Ну почему, по Spreadsheet там Siberian+Arctic+Amerindian у пяти русских выборок в диапазоне 3-4, у двух около 8 (думаю, это HGDP И Унжа) и у двух около 11 (думаю, Пинега и Архангельск). 4.87 Николы вполне можно проинтерпретировать как СЗ с некоторым сдвигом к СВ.

Ну да, пожалуй так будет правильно.

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Re: Проект Magnus Ducatus Lituaniae
« Ответ #1258 : 23 Февраль 2017, 20:52:24 »
 Мои результаты

К-16

1   NorthEastEuropean   31.14
2   Neolithic   21.56
3   Steppe   20.25
4   Caucasian   20.24
5   Siberian   4.45
6   Arctic   1.16
7   Oceanic   0.64
8   Indian   0.57

#   Population (source)   Distance
1   Cossack   3.44
2   Russian   3.63
3   Ukrainian   3.9
4   Pole   4.06
5   Pole   4.06
6   Russian   4.11
7   Russian_cossack   4.16
8   Russian   4.18
9   Belarusian   4.18
10   Pole   4.27

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Bulgarian + Ingrians + Ingrians + Ingrians @ 1.422325
2 Belarusian + Bulgarian + Finn + Finn @ 1.576504
3 Belarusian + Ingrians + Russian + Serbian @ 1.593045
4 Finn + Ingrians + Macedonian + Russians-West @ 1.601968
5 Croat + Ingrians + Pole + Russian @ 1.606084
6 Belarusian + Bulgarian + Finn + Ingrians @ 1.609098
7 Belarusian + Ingrians + Russian + Serbian @ 1.609100
8 Croat + Ingrians + Pole + Russian @ 1.615098
9 Bulgarian + Finn + Ingrians + Ingrians @ 1.632355
10 Croat + Ingrians + Pole + Russian @ 1.634187
11 Bosnian + Ingrians + Pole + Russian @ 1.639148
12 Finn + Ingrians + Pole + Serbian @ 1.649585
13 Bosnian + Ingrians + Pole + Russian @ 1.650335
14 Ingrians + Pole + Russian + Serbian @ 1.652465
15 Cossack + German_Lipsian + Pole + Russian @ 1.657136
16 Finn + Ingrians + Pole + Serbian @ 1.657407
17 Croat + Ingrians + Pole + Russian @ 1.658733
18 Ingrians + Pole + Russian + Serbian @ 1.660362
19 Belarusian + Bulgarian + Finn + Finn @ 1.663381
20 Croat + Dutch + Finn + Russian @ 1.667329

К-11

1   WHG   41.13
2   EHG   24.15
3   Neolithic   23.74
4   Siberian   3.95
5   Basal   2.49
6   Iran-Mesolithic   2.34
7   SEA   1.5
8   ASI   0.52
9   Oceanic   0.17
10   African   0.01

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Unetice_EBA @ 6.068888
2 Nordic_LN @ 6.421354
3 Nordic_IA @ 6.840680
4 Corded_Ware_Proto_Unetice_Poland @ 7.148120
5 Nordic_LBA @ 7.509961
6 BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN @ 7.992920
7 Unetice_MBA @ 8.056116
8 Nordic_MN_B @ 8.094366
9 Corded_Ware_Estonia @ 8.300883
10 British_AngloSaxon @ 8.691842

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Alberstedt_LN + Hungary_IronAge + Hungary_IronAge + Scandinavian_NH @ 2.456706
2 Corded_Ware_Germany + Halberstadt_LBA + Mezhovskaya_LBA + Swedish_LN @ 2.480119
3 Alberstedt_LN + Corded_Ware_Germany + Mezhovskaya_LBA + Swedish_LN @ 2.624700
4 Bell_Beaker_Germany + Corded_Ware_Germany + Mezhovskaya_LBA + Swedish_LN @ 2.625462
5 Bell_Beaker_Germany + Hungary_IronAge + Hungary_IronAge + Scandinavian_NH @ 2.630105
6 BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN + Mezhovskaya_LBA + Poltavka_MBA_outlier + Swedish_LN @ 2.630401
7 British_Celtic + Hungary_IronAge + Hungary_IronAge + Scandinavian_NH @ 2.663092
8 Bell_Beaker + Mezhovskaya_LBA + Poltavka_MBA_outlier + Swedish_LN @ 2.704055
9 Bell_Beaker_Czech + Corded_Ware_Germany + Mezhovskaya_LBA + Swedish_LN @ 2.718714
10 Hungary_BA + Mezhovskaya_LBA + Poltavka_MBA_outlier + Unetice_EBA @ 2.739905

Вот интересно, в оракле выдает и казака, и русского, и украинца, и поляка. А как раскладывает на предполагаемые компоненты, то финны-инкери упорно выскакивают :)

Силен таки северный мезолитический компонент у восточных европейцев. Как там, в "Играх Престолов", - "потомки Первых людей"?

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Re: Проект Magnus Ducatus Lituaniae
« Ответ #1259 : 08 Март 2017, 05:13:58 »
Прогнал по K16 шнуровика  - посчитали шотландцем... хммм

Kit Num: M191719
Threshold of components set to 1.000
Threshold of method set to 0.25%
Personal data has been read. 20 approximations mode.
Gedmatch.Com

MDLP K16 Modern 4-Ancestors Oracle

This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

MDLP K16 2xOracle and OracleX4

Admix Results (sorted):

#   Population   Percent
1   Steppe   40.80
2   NorthEastEuropean   23.89
3   Neolithic   20.80
4   Caucasian   14.50


Finished reading population data. 516 populations found.
16 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Scottish @ 16.262144
2 Orcadian @ 17.198835
3 Icelandic @ 18.242184
4 Irish @ 18.658689
5 Norwegian @ 18.659899
6 English @ 18.822124
7 Irish @ 19.108130
8 Irish @ 19.158779
9 Irish @ 19.516880
10 Scottish @ 19.753548
11 Irish @ 19.767603
12 Shetlandic @ 19.784561
13 English @ 19.929352
14 English @ 19.937046
15 Scottish @ 19.979746
16 Scottish @ 20.326353
17 Scottish @ 20.488184
18 Swede @ 20.764265
19 Dutch @ 20.834240
20 Hungarian @ 20.870863

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Scottish +50% Scottish @ 16.262144


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Scottish +25% Scottish +25% Scottish @ 16.262144


Using 4 populations approximation:

1 Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish @ 16.262144
2 Orcadian + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish @ 16.489405
3 Icelandic + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish @ 16.702063
4 Orcadian + Orcadian + Scottish + Scottish @ 16.719429
5 Irish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish @ 16.799509
6 Norwegian + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish @ 16.822262
7 English + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish @ 16.866735
8 Irish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish @ 16.907175
9 Finn + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish @ 16.930885
10 Icelandic + Orcadian + Scottish + Scottish @ 16.940651
11 Irish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish @ 16.941540
12 Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Scottish @ 16.958447
13 Irish + Orcadian + Scottish + Scottish @ 17.020243
14 Irish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish @ 17.039207
15 Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Tubalar @ 17.043556
16 Norwegian + Orcadian + Scottish + Scottish @ 17.052959
17 Irish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish @ 17.069927
18 Scottish + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish @ 17.081678
19 Orcadian + Scottish + Scottish + Tubalar @ 17.091278
20 English + Orcadian + Scottish + Scottish @ 17.091640

Done.

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