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Оффлайн IlgarAsadovАвтор темы

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J1 P58 from Russia (besides Dagestani)
« : 06 Апрель 2020, 19:38:47 »
New sample turned out on facebook j1 project page and posted his STR markers. as per nevgen he belongs to https://yfull.com/tree/J-Y3441/.  He has matches from Ukrain, Poland etc. so most probably this guy belongs to https://yfull.com/tree/J-ZS6485/ Tmrca 1600 years with Polish and Ukrainian Jews.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/JM267/permalink/1589387804572396/

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Re: J1 P58 from Russia (besides Dagestani)
« Ответ #1 : 06 Апрель 2020, 22:47:26 »
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He has matches from Ukrain, Poland etc. so most probably this guy belongs to https://yfull.com/tree/J-ZS6485/ Tmrca 1600 years with Polish and Ukrainian Jews.
It is non-typical for J1-P58 guys from Moslem ethnic groups and seems to be just homoplasic fantom match. Let him order BigY or SNP pack.

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  • 76% East Europe + 17% Finland
  • Y-ДНК: J1a2b1a-ZS3114 > ZS3084 > Y39893, ЖМ: I2a1a2b1a1a1a1-Z16971 > Y159653, МЖМ: G2a2b1a1a1a2b2a-FT40739
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Re: J1 P58 from Russia (besides Dagestani)
« Ответ #2 : 11 Апрель 2020, 12:33:14 »
If I am not wrong he should have 295222 Davis as his 1 step match at his 67 markers. He also should have N12930 Blair and 510452 Bujko as his 5 steps matches at his 67 markers.

Davis, Blair and Bujko are all situated in the group 017. J-FGC8223 Unclustered (should order Big Y) of the J1 Y-DNA Project. All three of them do not seem to me to be Jewish.

The following Saudis 190987 سريع (Sari') and 419163 سعد عمران المحسن are from different branches of Y3441.

Here are the nearest to the sample we are discussing:

« Последнее редактирование: 11 Апрель 2020, 13:49:08 от Yaroslav »

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Re: J1 P58 from Russia (besides Dagestani)
« Ответ #3 : 12 Апрель 2020, 04:32:26 »
Honestly I haven`t talked to those people personally, just seeing Eastern European J1 P58 branch with possible 1600 years tmrca and the jewish origin is the first thing comes to my mind considering also parallel subclades.  It would be awesome if those guys order at least SNP packs for better understanding.

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  • Y-ДНК: J1a2b1a-ZS3114 > ZS3084 > Y39893, ЖМ: I2a1a2b1a1a1a1-Z16971 > Y159653, МЖМ: G2a2b1a1a1a2b2a-FT40739
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Re: J1 P58 from Russia (besides Dagestani)
« Ответ #4 : 12 Апрель 2020, 10:09:29 »
Honestly I haven`t talked to those people personally, just seeing Eastern European J1 P58 branch with possible 1600 years tmrca and the jewish origin is the first thing comes to my mind considering also parallel subclades.  It would be awesome if those guys order at least SNP packs for better understanding.

I may well be wrong. I think it's also possible that these people are Jews. Jews are characterized by such little STR distances. There are usually many Jewish matches in case of Jewish origin but it can be some rare Jewish cluster.
« Последнее редактирование: 12 Апрель 2020, 11:40:39 от Yaroslav »

 

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