АвторТема: Популяционная генетика мира викингов(препринт, 2019)  (Прочитано 8819 раз)

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Наличие I2 как вообще не принимавшей участие в этногенезе прагерманцев, наверно, чисто славянская примесь, которая отчасти (в малых количествах) перешла и в оседлое  позднее население Скандинавии.

Лучше бы матчасть учили, чем начинали с банальностей.

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Наличие I2 как вообще не принимавшей участие в этногенезе прагерманцев, наверно, чисто славянская примесь, которая отчасти (в малых количествах) перешла и в оседлое  позднее население Скандинавии.

Лучше бы матчасть учили, чем начинали с банальностей.

Полагаю, что по мнению этого «специалиста» sommera, вся эта братва славяне  ;D
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А можно отсортировать их и по мито http://forum.molgen.org/index.php/topic,12057.msg458778.html#msg458778,  многовато пробабок односубкладниц получилось. Думал откуда в митородственники финки, шведки и датчанки набились, раньше наши то кроме коромысла и колодца  морей и не знали, а тут оказывается пробабки кроме рыбы любительницы морских лодочных покатушек. Надо теперь делать митофулл и глядишь реальную пробабку можно будет установить.
Спасибо авторскому коллективу, в дальнейшем все разговоры о викингах будут через призму Ашота)

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А можно отсортировать их и по мито http://forum.molgen.org/index.php/topic,12057.msg458778.html#msg458778,  многовато пробабок односубкладниц получилось. Думал откуда в митородственники финки, шведки и датчанки набились, раньше наши то кроме коромысла и колодца  морей и не знали, а тут оказывается пробабки кроме рыбы любительницы морских лодочных покатушек. Надо теперь делать митофулл и глядишь реальную пробабку можно будет установить.
Спасибо авторскому коллективу, в дальнейшем все разговоры о викингах будут через призму Ашота)

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VK491 H6a1a I1a2a1a1d1a1a Estonia_Salme_II-Õ Estonia Saaremaa Salme 8th century CE 1.433 Male
VK415 H6a1a N/A Norway_Oppland 1520 Norway Nor_South Oppland 8-11th centuries CE 1.22 Female
VK56 H6a1a N/A Gotland_Frojel-001A98 Sweden Gotland Frojel 900-1050 CE 1.064 Female
VK484 H6a1a R1a1a1b1a2b3a Estonia_Salme_II-Q Estonia Saaremaa Salme 8th century CE 1.212 Male
VK516 H6a1a R1a1a1b1a3a2 Norway_Sor-Trondelag 4481 Norway Nor_Mid Sor-Trondelag 10th century CE 1.426 Male
VK414 H6a1a R1a1a1b1a3a2a Norway_Oppland 1517 Norway Nor_South Oppland 10-11th centuries CE 1.225 Male
VK95 H6a1a3a R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a1a1a1a1a Iceland_127 Iceland Hofstadir Hofstadir 10-13th centuries CE 1.319 Male
VK466 H6a1a4 R1 Russia_Gnezdovo 77-222 Russia Gnezdovo Gnezdovo 10-11th centuries CE 0.123 Male
VK327 H6a1a5 I1a2a1a1a1a Denmark_Ribe 6 Denmark Jutland Ribe 9-11th centuries CE 1.164 Male
VK314 H6a1b2 N/A Denmark_Rantzausminde Grav 5 Denmark Funen Rantzausminde 850-900 CE 0.297 Female
VK582 H6a1b3 I2a1b1a SBM1028 ALKEN ENGE 2013, X2244 Denmark Jutland Alken_Enge 1st century CE 0.103 Male
VK135 H6a2 N/A Denmark_Galgedil ALY Denmark Funen Galgedil 9-11th centuries CE 0.011 Female
VK449 H6a2a R1b1a1b1a1a1b UK_Dorset-3746 UK Dorset Ridgeway_Hill_Mass_Grave_Dorset 10-11th centuries CE 1.431 Male
VK20 H6c I1 Russia_Ladoga_5680-1 Russia Ladoga Ladoga 1062 ± 27 0.496 Male
VK529 H7 I1a1b1a4a2 Norway_Nordland 642 Norway Nor_North Nordland 8-9th centuries CE 1.813 Male
VK541 H7 R1a1a1b1a1a1c1 Ukraine_Lutsk Ukraine Lutsk Lutsk 13th century 2.563 Male
VK429 H70 N/A Gotland_Frojel-01599 Sweden Gotland Frojel 900-1050 CE 2.725 Female
VK408 H74 R1a1a1b1 Russia_Ladoga_5757-18 Russia Ladoga Ladoga 10-12th centuries CE 0.165 Male
VK285 H7a1 N/A Denmark_Kaargarden Grav BZ Denmark Langeland Kaagården 10th century CE 0.659 Female
VK224 H7a1 N1a1a1a1a1a Russia_Gnezdovo 78-249 Russia Gnezdovo Gnezdovo 10-11th centuries CE 0.219 Male
VK417 H7b N/A Norway_Oppland 2808-2 Norway Nor_South Oppland 7-11th centuries CE 1.145 Female
VK461 H7b N1a1a1a1a1a2a1a Gotland_Frojel-025A89 Sweden Gotland Frojel 900-1050 CE 0.273 Male
VK370 H7b2 N/A Denmark_Galgedil ANO Denmark Funen Galgedil 9-11th centuries CE 1.307 Female
VK70 H7d4 I1a1b1a1 Denmark_Tollemosegard-EW Denmark Sealand Tollemosegård Late Germanic Iron Age/early Viking 6.684 Male
VK177 H82 R1b1a1b1a1a2b UK_Oxford_#21 UK Oxford St_John’s_College_Oxford 880-1000 CE 1.06 Male
VK453 H8c R1a1a1 Gotland_Kopparsvik-134 Sweden Gotland Kopparsvik 900-1050 CE 0.166 Male
VK34 HV+16311 R1b1a1b1a1a1c2b2a1b1a4b1 Sweden_Skara 135 Sweden Skara Varnhem 10-12th centuries CE 1.193 Male
VK470 HV0 N/A Russia_Gnezdovo 77-212 Russia Gnezdovo Gnezdovo 10-11th centuries CE 0.027 Female
VK276 HV0 N/A Denmark_Kaargarden BH Denmark Langeland Kaagården 10th century CE 0.118 Female
VK519 HV0a1 I1 Norway_Nordland 4691b Norway Nor_North Nordland 6-10th centuries CE 0.217 Male
VK524 HV0a1 I1a2a1a1d1a Norway_Nordland 3708 Norway Nor_North Nordland 10th century CE 1.606 Male
VK254 HV0a1 N/A Russia_Gnezdovo 81-287 Russia Gnezdovo Gnezdovo 10-11th centuries CE 0.522 Female
VK507 HV6 I1a1b1 Estonia_Salme_I-4 Estonia Saaremaa Salme 8th century CE 0.823 Male
VK296 HV6 I1a1b1a1 Denmark_Hundstrup Mose sk 1 Denmark Sealand Hundstrup_Mose 660-780 CE 0.458 Male
VK546 HV6 R1a1a1 Ireland_08E693 Ireland Dublin Islandbridge 9th century CE 0.094 Male
VK454 HV9 N/A Gotland_Kopparsvik-140 Sweden Gotland Kopparsvik 900-1050 CE 0.246 Female
VK53 HV9b I2a1a2b1a1 Gotland_Kopparsvik-161/65 Sweden Gotland Kopparsvik 900-1050 CE 0.803 Male
VK170 HV9b R1b1a1b1a1a1b1a Isle-of-Man_Balladoole IsleOfMan IsleOfMan Balladoole 9-10th centuries CE 1.22 Male
VK523 I1a1 N/A Norway_Sor-Trondelag 3699 Norway Nor_Mid Sor-Trondelag pre-11th century CE 1.005 Female
VK64 I1a1 R1a1a1b1a2a Gotland_Frojel-03504 Sweden Gotland Frojel 900-1050 CE 0.874 Male
VK290 I1a1 R1b1a1b1a1a1c2b1b3b Denmark_Kumle Hoje Grav O Denmark Langeland Kumle_høje 10th century CE 1.422 Male
VK458 I1a1a3 N/A Gotland_Frojel-03299_3 Sweden Gotland Frojel 900-1050 CE 0.18 Female
VK456 I1a1e N/A Gotland_Frojel-02404 Sweden Gotland Frojel 900-1050 CE 1.389 Female
VK172 I1a1e R1a1a1b1a3a1 UK_Oxford_#16 UK Oxford St_John’s_College_Oxford 880-1000 CE 1.187 Male
VK77 I2 N/A Greenland late-0959 Greenland Western Settlement V051 1301 CE 0.006 Female
VK543 I2 R1a1a1 Ireland_EP55 Ireland Eyrephort Eyrephort 9th century CE 1.001 Male
VK259 I2 R1b1a1b1a1a1b1a UK_Dorset-3734 UK Dorset Ridgeway_Hill_Mass_Grave_Dorset 10-11th centuries CE 1.183 Male
VK99 I2a1 N/A Iceland_104 Iceland Hofstadir Hofstadir 10-13th centuries CE 0.735 Female
VK391 I3 N/A Norway_Telemark 1648-B Norway Nor_South Telemark 5-6th centuries CE 0.424 Female
VK460 I3 N/A Gotland_Frojel-04898 Sweden Gotland Frojel 900-1050 CE 0.288 Female
VK164 I3a1 BT UK_Oxford_#2 UK Oxford St_John’s_College_Oxford 880-1000 CE 0.002 Male
VK420 I4a I1 Norway_Hedmark 2813 Norway Nor_South Hedmark 8-11th centuries CE 1.534 Male
VK279 I4a I1a1b Denmark_Galgedil AXE Denmark Funen Galgedil 10th century CE 2.393 Male
VK31 I4a R1b1a1b1a1a2c1 Sweden_Skara 194 Sweden Skara Varnhem 10-12th centuries CE 0.375 Male
VK58 I4a1 N/A Gotland_Frojel-03604 Sweden Gotland Frojel 900-1050 CE 4.513 Female
VK457 I5a N/A Gotland_Frojel-03299_1 Sweden Gotland Frojel 900-1050 CE 0.188 Female
VK367 J1b1a1 I1 Denmark_Bogovej D Denmark Langeland Bogøvej 10th century CE 1.053 Male
VK15 J1b1a1 N/A Russia_Ladoga_5680-16 Russia Ladoga Ladoga 10-12th centuries CE 1.223 Female
VK208 J1b1a1 N/A Orkney_BY78, Ar. 1, sk 2 Orkney Orkney Brough_Road_Birsay 10th century CE 0.065 Female
VK432 J1b1a1 N/A Gotland_Frojel-00303 Sweden Gotland Frojel 900-1050 CE 0.304 Female
VK397 J1b1a1 R1a1a1b1a3a Sweden_Skara 237 Sweden Skara Varnhem 10-12th centuries CE 1.37 Male
VK386 J1b1a1 R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a1f1a Norway_Oppland 5305 Norway Nor_South Oppland 9-11th centuries CE 1.219 Male
VK113 J1b1a1a N/A Norway_Trondheim_SK223 Norway Nor_Mid Trondheim 12-13th centuries CE 0.117 Female
VK422 J1b1a1a R1a1a1b1a3a2 Norway_Hedmark 4304 Norway Nor_South Hedmark 10th century CE 1.071 Male
VK24 J1b1a1a R1b1a1b1a1 Faroe_AS34/Panum Faroes Faroes Hvalba 11th century 0.188 Male
VK505 J1b1a1b N1a1a1a1a1a1a Estonia_Salme_I-2 Estonia Saaremaa Salme 8th century CE 1.136 Male
VK200 J1b1a1b R Poland_Czersk gr. 609 Poland Czersk Czersk 11-12th centuries CE 0.018 Male
VK217 J1b1b1 R1b1a1b1a1a Sweden_Ljungbacka Sweden Malmo Ljungbacka 9-12th centuries CE 0.138 Male
VK19 J1c N/A Russia_Ladoga_5757-1 Russia Ladoga Ladoga 10-12th centuries CE 0.629 Female
VK286 J1c+16261 R1b1a1b1a1a2b1a1 Denmark_Bogovej Grav BJ Denmark Langeland Bogøvej 10th century CE 0.809 Male
VK14 J1c1a I1 Russia_Ladoga_5680-12 Russia Ladoga Ladoga 10-12th centuries CE 0.162 Male
VK513 J1c1b R1a1a1 Greenland F8 Greenland East_Settlement Ø029 Early Norse 2.256 Male
VK441 J1c1b1a N/A Gotland_Frojel-032A98 Sweden Gotland Frojel 900-1050 CE 0.032 Female
VK450 J1c1b1a N/A Gotland_Kopparsvik-35 Sweden Gotland Kopparsvik 900-1050 CE 0.121 Female
VK506 J1c2 I1a Estonia_Salme_I-3 Estonia Saaremaa Salme 8th century CE 1.233 Male
VK292 J1c2c1 R1a1a Denmark_Bogovej Grav A.D. Denmark Langeland Bogøvej 10th century CE 0.1 Male
VK418 J1c2c1 R1b1a1b1a1a1b Norway_Nordland 1502 Norway Nor_North Nordland 4th century CE 0.93 Male
VK156 J1c2c2a R1a1a1b1a2a Poland_Bodzia B4 Poland Bodzia Bodzia 10-11th centuries CE 0.961 Male
VK297 J1c2h I1a1b1 Denmark_Hundstrup Mose sk 2 Denmark Sealand Hundstrup_Mose 670-830 CE 0.667 Male
VK216 J1c2k N/A Denmark_Gerdrup-B; sk 2 Denmark Sealand Gerdrup 9th century CE 0.031 Female
VK215 J1c2k R1b1a1b Denmark_Gerdrup-B; sk 1 Denmark Sealand Gerdrup 9th century CE 0.067 Male
VK84 J1c2p N/A Denmark_Hesselbjerg Grav 3 Denmark Jutland Hesselbjerg 850-900 CE 1.173 Female
VK344 J1c2t R1a1a1b1a Oland_1030 Sweden Oland Oland 9-11th centuries CE 0.983 Male
VK396 J1c2t R1b1a1b1a1a1c1a1 Sweden_Skara 166 Sweden Skara Varnhem 10-12th centuries CE 1.192 Male
VK180 J1c3b IJ Greenland F3 Greenland Eastern Settlement Ø029a 10-12th centuries CE 0.009 Male
VK146 J1c3e1 I1a2a1a1d1a UK_Oxford_#10 UK Oxford St_John’s_College_Oxford 880-1000 CE 1.182 Male
VK517 J1c3f I2a1b1a2b1a2a Sweden_Uppsala_UM36031_623b Sweden Uppsala Skämsta 11th century 1.041 Male
VK527 J1c3f N/A Sweden_Uppsala_UM36031_621 Sweden Uppsala Skämsta 11th century 1.116 Female
VK102 J1c3f R1b1a1b1a1a1 Iceland_128 Iceland Hofstadir Hofstadir 10-13th centuries CE 4.163 Male
VK1 J1c3g N/A Greenland_677 Greenland Eastern Settlement Ø64 10-11th centuries CE 11.771 Female
VK11 J1c3g N/A Greenland_532 Greenland Eastern Settlement Ø64 10-11th centuries CE 0.082 Female
VK9 J1c3g N/A Greenland_530 Greenland Eastern Settlement Ø64 10-11th centuries CE 0.095 Female
VK139 J1c3k R1a1a1b1a1a1c1 Denmark_Galgedil ANG Denmark Funen Galgedil 9-11th centuries CE 0.556 Male
VK262 J1c4 I1a2a UK_Dorset-3739 UK Dorset Ridgeway_Hill_Mass_Grave_Dorset 10-11th centuries CE 1.22 Male
VK388 J1c5 I1 Norway_Nordland 253 Norway Nor_North Nordland 8-16th centuries CE 0.975 Male
VK508 J1c5 N1a1a1a1a1a1a Estonia_Salme_I-5 Estonia Saaremaa Salme 8th century CE 1.72 Male
VK284 J1c5a1 N/A Denmark_Grydehoj A2058 Denmark Sealand Trekroner-Grydehøj 9-11th centuries CE 1.105 Female
VK57 J1c6 R1b1a1b1a1a Gotland_Frojel-03601 Sweden Gotland Frojel 900-1050 CE 0.214 Male
VK123 J1c9 R2a2b1 Iceland_X104 Iceland Hofstadir Hofstadir 10-13th centuries CE 1.148 Male
VK474 J1d E1b1b1b2a1a4 Gotland_Kopparsvik-137 Sweden Gotland Kopparsvik 900-1050 CE 1.591 Male
VK402 J2a1a1 N/A Sweden_Skara 38 Sweden Skara Varnhem 10-12th centuries CE 1.531 Female
VK366 J2a1a1a N/A Denmark_Bogovej BY Denmark Langeland Bogøvej 10th century CE 0.674 Female
VK551 J2a1a1a2 R1a1a1b1a3a1 Estonia_Salme_II-U Estonia Saaremaa Salme 8th century CE 2.308 Male
VK237 J2a2c R1a1a1b1a Faroe_15 Faroes Faroes Church2 16-17th centuries CE 1.637 Male
VK220 J2b1a I1a1 Russia_Ladoga_5680-11 Russia Ladoga Ladoga 10-12th centuries CE 1.815 Male
VK357 J2b1a I1a2a1a1a Oland_1097 Sweden Oland Oland 1053 ± 60 CE 1.387 Male
VK206 J2b1a N/A Orkney_Newark 71(13) Orkney Orkney Newark_Deerness 10th century CE 0.01 Female
VK108 J2b1a N/A Sweden_Ljungbacka Sweden Malmo Ljungbacka 9-12th centuries CE 0.866 Female
VK289 J2b1a R1b1a1b1a1a1a Denmark_Bodkergarden Grav H, sk 1 Denmark Langeland Bødkergarden 9th century CE 0.805 Male
VK373 J2b1a R1b1a1b1a1a2b1a1 Denmark_Galgedil BER Denmark Funen Galgedil 9-11th centuries CE 1.088 Male
VK526 J2b1a3 N/A Norway_Nordland 5317 Norway Nor_North Nordland 9th century CE 2.029 Female
VK444 K1a R1b1a1b1a1a1c2b2a1b1b1 Oland_1059 Sweden Oland Oland 847 ± 65 CE 0.793 Male
VK190 K1a+195 I1a Greenland late-0996 Greenland Eastern Settlement Ø149 1360 CE 6.495 Male
VK405 K1a10 R1b1a1b1a1a2c1 Sweden_Skara 83 Sweden Skara Varnhem 10-12th centuries CE 1.028 Male
VK304 K1a1b1e F Sweden_Skara 36 Sweden Skara Varnhem 10-12th centuries CE 0.011 Male
VK179 K1a3a I1 Greenland F2 Greenland Eastern Settlement Ø029a 10-12th centuries CE 1.84 Male
VK316 K1a4 I1 Denmark_Hessum sk II Denmark Funen Hessum 9-11th centuries CE 1.458 Male
VK427 K1a4 I2a1b1a Sweden_Skara 209 Sweden Skara Varnhem 10-12th centuries CE 0.111 Male
VK33 K1a4a1 N/A Sweden_Skara 175 Sweden Skara Varnhem 10-12th centuries CE 0.938 Female
VK406 K1a4a1 N1a1a1a1a1a1a Sweden_Skara 203 Sweden Skara Varnhem 10-12th centuries CE 1.296 Male
VK258 K1a4a1 R1a1a1b1a3a UK_Dorset-3733 UK Dorset Ridgeway_Hill_Mass_Grave_Dorset 10-11th centuries CE 1.022 Male
VK428 K1a4a1a2b N/A Gotland_Frojel-00287 Sweden Gotland Frojel 900-1050 CE 0.18 Female
VK403 K1a4a1a2b R1b1a1b1a1a2a1b1a Sweden_Skara 217 Sweden Skara Varnhem 10-12th centuries CE 1.49 Male
VK133 K1a4a1a3 R1b1a1b1a1a1c2b2a1b1a Denmark_Galgedil KO Denmark Funen Galgedil 784-1018 CE 0.041 Male
VK528 K1a4a1b R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a4d1 Norway_Troms 4049 Norway Nor_North Troms 8-9th centuries CE 1.599 Male
VK322 K1a4a1c N/A Denmark_Ribe 1 Denmark Jutland Ribe 9-11th centuries CE 1.256 Female
VK263 K1a4d R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a2b2b UK_Dorset-3742 UK Dorset Ridgeway_Hill_Mass_Grave_Dorset 10-11th centuries CE 1.374 Male
VK309 K1b1c R1a1a Sweden_Skara 53 Sweden Skara Varnhem 10-12th centuries CE 0.305 Male
VK227 K1b2a2 N/A Iceland_A117 Iceland Hofstadir Hofstadir 10-13th centuries CE 0.544 Female
VK318 K1b2a2 N/A Denmark_Hesselbjergmarken Grav B Denmark Langeland Hesselbjergmarken 900-950 CE 0.003 Male?
VK335 K1b2a3 R1b1a1b1a1a Oland_1068 Sweden Oland Oland 9-11th centuries CE 1.058 Male
VK272 K1b2b N/A Russia_Gnezdovo 77-241(g) Russia Gnezdovo Gnezdovo 10-11th centuries CE 0.197 Female
VK268 K1c1 R1b1a1b Sweden_Karda 22 Sweden Karda Karda 9-11th centuries CE 0.155 Male
VK553 K1c1h I1a1b1 Estonia_Salme_II-M Estonia Saaremaa Salme 8th century CE 1.264 Male
VK87 K1c2 R1b1a1b1a1a2a1b1a Denmark_Hesselbjerg Grav 41b, sk PC Denmark Jutland Hesselbjerg 850-900 CE 3.021 Male
VK221 K1d I1a1b1 Russia_Ladoga_5757-14 Russia Ladoga Ladoga 911+-27 1.953 Male
VK390 K2a3 R1a1a1b1a3a1 Norway_Telemark 1648-A Norway Nor_South Telemark 5-6th centuries CE 1.447 Male
VK336 K2a3a R1b1a1b1a1a2 Oland_1075 Sweden Oland Oland 853 ± 67 CE 1.213 Male
VK178 K2a5 R1b1a1b1a1a1c2b2b UK_Oxford_#22 UK Oxford St_John’s_College_Oxford 880-1000 CE 0.892 Male
VK323 K2a6 R1b1a1b1a1a1c1a2b1 Denmark_Ribe 2 Denmark Jutland Ribe 9-11th centuries CE 1.348 Male
VK514 K2b1a1 R1a1a1b1a3a1 Norway_Nordland 5195 Norway Nor_North Nordland 6-10th centuries CE 1.034 Male
VK424 K2b1a1 R1b1a1b1a1a1c2b1 Sweden_Skara 273 Sweden Skara Varnhem 10-12th centuries CE 0.135 Male
Sample mtDNA_haplogroup Y_haplogroup Laboratory_ID Country MajorDivision MinorDivision Finer_age AvgDepth(X) Sex
VK232 N1a1a1 R1b1a1b1a1a1 Gotland_Kopparsvik-240.65 Sweden Gotland Kopparsvik 900-1050 CE 0.316 Male
VK473 N1a1a1a1 I1a1b Gotland_Kopparsvik-126 Sweden Gotland Kopparsvik 900-1050 CE 1.396 Male
VK264 N1a1a1a2 R1a1a1b1a3a UK_Dorset-3744 UK Dorset Ridgeway_Hill_Mass_Grave_Dorset 10-11th centuries CE 0.991 Male
VK324 N1a1a1a2 R1b1a1b1a1a1c2b1b4 Denmark_Ribe 3 Denmark Jutland Ribe 9-11th centuries CE 1.347 Male
VK158 N1b1a N/A Russia_Pskov_7283-18 Russia Pskov Pskov 10-11th centuries CE 0.039 Female
VK301 R0a2b I1a2a Denmark_Ladby Grav 4 Denmark Funen Ladby 640-890 CE 0.731 Male
VK114 R1a1a N/A Norway_Trondheim_SK332 Norway Nor_Mid Trondheim 12-13th centuries CE 0.16 Female
VK295 T1a1 I1a Denmark_Hessum sk 1 Denmark Funen Hessum 9-11th centuries CE 0.57 Male
VK40 T1a1 R1b1a1b1a1a2b1c1b Sweden_Skara 106 Sweden Skara Varnhem 10-12th centuries CE 1.874 Male
VK315 T1a1b I1a1b1 Denmark_Bakkendrup Grav 16 Denmark Sealand Bakkendrup 850-900 CE 0.584 Male
VK430 T1a1b N1a1a1a1a1a Gotland_Frojel-00502 Sweden Gotland Frojel 900-1050 CE 0.178 Male
VK86 T1a1c N/A Denmark_Hesselbjerg Grav 13 Denmark Jutland Hesselbjerg 850-900 CE 0.007 Female
VK147 T1a1q R1b1a1b1a1a2 UK_Oxford_#11 UK Oxford St_John’s_College_Oxford 880-1000 CE 0.822 Male
VK535 T1a5 R1b1a1b1b3a Italy_Foggia-891 Italy Foggia San_Lorenzo 12-13th centuries CE 1.238 Male
VK435 T1a5a N/A Gotland_Frojel-02500 Sweden Gotland Frojel 900-1050 CE 0.058 Female
VK281 T2 I1a1b1a1 Denmark_Barse Grav A Denmark Sealand Bårse 10th century CE 2.046 Male
VK511 T2a1a I1a1b1a1 Estonia_Salme_II-X Estonia Saaremaa Salme 8th century CE 1.701 Male
VK6 T2a1a N/A Greenland_678 Greenland Eastern Settlement Ø64 10-11th centuries CE 2.974 Female
VK339 T2a1a N/A Denmark_Hesselbjerg Grav 16, sk GO Denmark Jutland Hesselbjerg 850-900 CE 0.013 Female
VK187 T2a1a N/A Greenland KNK-[80] Greenland Eastern Settlement Ø64 Early Norse 0.906 Female
VK481 T2a1a N1a1a1a1a1a1a Estonia_Salme_II-F Estonia Saaremaa Salme 8th century CE 1.421 Male
VK303 T2a1b1a1 N/A Sweden_Skara 27 Sweden Skara Varnhem 10-12th centuries CE 2.502 Female
VK161 T2b F Russia_Kurevanikka_7283-4 Russia Kurevanikha Kurevanikha 10-13th centuries CE 0.023 Male
VK22 T2b I Russia_Ladoga_5680-13 Russia Ladoga Ladoga 10-12th centuries CE 0.122 Male
VK452 T2b R1a1a1b1a Gotland_Kopparsvik-111 Sweden Gotland Kopparsvik 900-1050 CE 0.228 Male
VK389 T2b R1b1a1b1a1a1c2b2a1b1a4b Norway_Telemark 3697 Norway Nor_South Telemark 10th century CE 1.112 Male
VK287 T2b R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a2a1a1a1 Denmark_Kaargarden Grav BS Denmark Langeland Kaagården 10th century CE 0.499 Male
VK440 T2b+152 N/A Gotland_Frojel-003A88 Sweden Gotland Frojel 900-1050 CE 0.071 Female
VK274 T2b+152 R1a1a1b1a2b3a Denmark_Kaargarden 391 Denmark Langeland Kaagården 10th century CE 1.717 Male
VK42 T2b11 J2a1a1b2a1b1 Sweden_Skara 62 Sweden Skara Varnhem 10-12th centuries CE 9.25 Male
VK183 T2b21 I1 Greenland F6 Greenland Eastern Settlement Ø029a 10-12th centuries CE 0.535 Male
VK332 T2b24 I2a1b1a2b1 Oland_1088 Sweden Oland Oland 858 ±68 CE 1.46 Male
VK347 T2b28 I2a1b1 Oland_1065 Sweden Oland Oland 9-11th centuries CE 0.015 Male
VK348 T2b28 I2a1b1a2b1a2a Oland_1067 Sweden Oland Oland 9-11th centuries CE 1.031 Male
VK29 T2b3b I1 Sweden_Skara 17 Sweden Skara Varnhem 10-12th centuries CE 3.208 Male
VK98 T2b3b I1a1b1a4a2 Iceland_083 Iceland Hofstadir Hofstadir 10-13th centuries CE 2.491 Male
VK228 T2b4 N/A Iceland_A120 Iceland Hofstadir Hofstadir 10-13th centuries CE 0.053 Female
VK151 T2b4+152 I1a1 UK_Oxford_#15 UK Oxford St_John’s_College_Oxford 880-1000 CE 1.142 Male
VK39 T2b4b G2a2b2a1a1b1a Sweden_Skara 181 Sweden Skara Varnhem 10-12th centuries CE 0.164 Male
VK267 T2b4b R1b Sweden_Karda 21 Sweden Karda Karda 9-11th centuries CE 0.056 Male
VK138 T2b5 R1b1a1b1a1a2b1c1 Denmark_Galgedil AQQ Denmark Funen Galgedil 9-11th centuries CE 0.39 Male
VK549 T2b5a I1a1b1 Estonia_Salme_II-J Estonia Saaremaa Salme 8th century CE 1.676 Male
VK219 T2b6a I1a1b1 Russia_Ladoga_5680-10 Russia Ladoga Ladoga 992 ± 27 1.581 Male
VK489 T2e1 N1a1a1a1a1a1a Estonia_Salme_II-Ä Estonia Saaremaa Salme 8th century CE 1.602 Male
VK35 T2f1a1 R1a1a1b1a3a Sweden_Skara 118 Sweden Skara Varnhem 10-12th centuries CE 1.114 Male
VK442 U2e1f1 N/A Oland_1008 Sweden Oland Oland 847 ±-65 CE 1.239 Female
VK531 U2e2a R1b1a1 Norway_Troms 5001A Norway Nor_North Troms 2400 BC 1.399 Male
VK532 U2e2a1a I1a2a Kragehave Odetofter XL718 Denmark Sealand Kragehave Odetofter 100 CE 4.013 Male
VK163 U2e2a1a1 I1 UK_Oxford_#1 UK Oxford St_John’s_College_Oxford 880-1000 CE 0.019 Male
VK159 U2e2a1d R1b1a1b1a1 Russia_Pskov_7283-20 Russia Pskov Pskov 10-11th centuries CE 0.362 Male
VK193 U3a1 N/A Greenland late-1061 Greenland Eastern Settlement Ø029a 10-12th centuries CE 0.048 Female
VK358 U3a1 N/A Oland_1105 Sweden Oland Oland 853 ± 71 CE 1.032 Female
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VK320 U5a1a1 I1a1b Denmark_Bogovej Grav S Denmark Langeland Bogøvej 10th century CE 1.368 Male
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VK372 U5a1a2a N/A Denmark_Galgedil KM Denmark Funen Galgedil 9-11th centuries CE 1.346 Female
VK525 U5a1a2a N/A Norway_Nordland 3709 Norway Nor_North Nordland 9th century CE 1.111 Female
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VK94 U5a1b1 N/A Denmark_GI Lejre-A1861 Denmark Sealand Gl._Lejre 9-11th centuries CE 0.144 Female
VK294 U5a1b1h N/A Denmark_Bakkendrup losfund-2, conc.5 Denmark Sealand Bakkendrup 850-900 CE 1.132 Female
VK337 U5a1b3a I1a2a1a1a Oland_1064 Sweden Oland Oland 858 ± 68 CE 2.042 Male
VK328 U5a1d2a N/A Denmark_Ribe 7 Denmark Jutland Ribe 9-11th centuries CE 1.142 Female
VK27 U5a1g1 R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a2 Faroe_10 Faroes Faroes Church2 16-17th centuries CE 0.248 Male
VK278 U5a2a1 N/A Denmark_Galgedil TQ Denmark Funen Galgedil 9-11th centuries CE 0.664 Female
VK17 U5a2a1b T1a1a Russia_Ladoga_5680-17 Russia Ladoga Ladoga 10-12th centuries CE 0.522 Male
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VK334 U5a2b N/A Oland_1058 Sweden Oland Oland 1049 ± 58 CE 0.554 Female
VK455 U5a2c1 N/A Gotland_Frojel-03401 Sweden Gotland Frojel 900-1050 CE 1.603 Female
VK413 U5b1+16189+@16192 N/A Russia_Gnezdovo 81-290 Russia Gnezdovo Gnezdovo 10-11th centuries CE 0.027 Female
VK326 U5b1+16189+@16192 R1b1a1b1a1a Denmark_Ribe 5 Denmark Jutland Ribe 9-11th centuries CE 1.262 Male
VK143 U5b1b1+@16192 R1b1a1b1a1a1c1a2b UK_Oxford_#7 UK Oxford St_John’s_College_Oxford 880-1000 CE 1.041 Male
VK355 U5b1b1a L2 Oland_1046 Sweden Oland Oland 847 ± 65 CE 1.131 Male
VK518 U5b1b1a N/A Norway_Nordland 4689 Norway Nor_North Nordland 9th century CE 0.438 Female
VK129 U5b1b1a R1a1a1b1a3a1 Iceland_ING08 Iceland Ingiridarstadir Ingiridarstadir 10th century CE 3.62 Male
VK419 U5b1b1g1 N1a1a1a1a1a1a Norway_Nordland 1522 Norway Nor_North Nordland 6-10th centuries CE 1.234 Male
VK30 U5b1c2b R1a1a1 Sweden_Skara 105 Sweden Skara Varnhem 10-12th centuries CE 0.571 Male
VK196 U5b1e1 N/A Greenland late-0947_V051 Greenland Western Settlement V051 1080 CE 0.046 Female
VK51 U5b1e1 N1a1a1a1a1a1a Gotland_Kopparsvik-88/64 Sweden Gotland Kopparsvik 900-1050 CE 0.62 Male
VK251 U5b1e1 R1 Gotland_Kopparsvik-30.64 Sweden Gotland Kopparsvik 900-1050 CE 0.043 Male
VK101 U5b1g R1b1a1b1a1a2d1a1 Iceland_125 Iceland Hofstadir Hofstadir 10-13th centuries CE 1.932 Male
VK520 U5b2a1a2 N/A Norway_Troms 4184 Norway Nor_North Troms 10th century CE 1.77 Female
VK434 U5b2a2 N/A Gotland_Frojel-01288 Sweden Gotland Frojel 900-1050 CE 0.257 Female
VK443 U5b2b5 I1a2a1a1d2 Oland_1101 Sweden Oland Oland 9-11th centuries CE 2.107 Male
VK421 U5b2c2b R1a1a Norway_Oppland 3777 Norway Nor_South Oppland 10-11th centuries CE 0.013 Male
VK325 U5b3e N/A Denmark_Ribe 4 Denmark Jutland Ribe 9-11th centuries CE 0.593 Female
VK426 U6a1a1 R1b1a1b Sweden_Skara 216 Sweden Skara Varnhem 10-12th centuries CE 0.118 Male
VK116 U6a3 F Norway_Trondheim_SK372 Norway Nor_Mid Trondheim 12-13th centuries CE 0.005 Male
VK393 U8a1a N/A Norway_Hedmark 4006 Norway Nor_South Hedmark 10th century CE 1.195 Female
VK365 U8a2 R1b1a1b1a1a2 Denmark_Bogovej BS Denmark Langeland Bogøvej 10th century CE 0.764 Male
VK539 V I1 Ukraine_Shestovitsa-8870-97 Ukraine Shestovitsa Shestovitsa 10-12th centuries CE 1.574 Male
VK547 V I1a1b1a4a2 Norway_Nordland 4727 Norway Nor_North Nordland 8-11th centuries CE 4.732 Male
VK540 V N/A Ukraine_Shestovitsa-8871-96 Ukraine Shestovitsa Shestovitsa 10-12th centuries CE 0.882 Female
VK537 V N/A Italy_Foggia-1248 Italy Foggia Cancarro 11-13th centuries CE 1.385 Female
VK266 V N/A Sweden_Karda 19 Sweden Karda Karda 9-11th centuries CE 0.75 Female
VK437 V N/A Gotland_Frojel-02303 Sweden Gotland Frojel 900-1050 CE 0.023 Female
VK550 V N1a1a1a1a1a1a1b Estonia_Salme_II-D Estonia Saaremaa Salme 8th century CE 1.783 Male
VK253 V13 N/A Russia_Gnezdovo 78-262 Russia Gnezdovo Gnezdovo 10-11th centuries CE 0.008 Female
VK144 V1a1 I1 UK_Oxford_#8 UK Oxford St_John’s_College_Oxford 880-1000 CE 0.159 Male
VK65 V25 N/A Denmark_Tollemosegard-BQ Denmark Sealand Tollemosegård Late Germanic Iron Age/early Viking 0.514 Female
VK362 V7b E1b1b1a1b1a Denmark_Bogovej LMR 12077 Denmark Langeland Bogøvej 10th century CE 0.64 Male
VK191 W N/A Greenland late-1000 Greenland Eastern Settlement Ø149 1404 CE 0.03 Female
VK459 W3a1 N/A Gotland_Frojel-02198 Sweden Gotland Frojel 900-1050 CE 0.189 Female
VK338 W3a1 R1b1a1b1a1a1c2b1a1b2 Denmark_Bogovej Grav BV Denmark Langeland Bogøvej 10th century CE 0.565 Male
VK211 W6 R1b1a1b Poland_Cedynia gr. 435 Poland Cedynia Cedynia 11-13 centuries CE 0.1 Male
VK554 W6a I1 Estonia_Salme_II-L Estonia Saaremaa Salme 8th century CE 0.933 Male
VK476 X2+225 N/A Gotland_Kopparsvik-225 Sweden Gotland Kopparsvik 900-1050 CE 0.117 Female
VK410 X2b+226 I1 Russia_Ladoga_5680-15 Russia Ladoga Ladoga 1107+-27 0.129 Male
VK361 X2b+226 N/A Denmark_Bogovej BX Denmark Langeland Bogøvej 10th century CE 1.258 Female
VK16 X2b4 I1 Russia_Ladoga_5680-2 Russia Ladoga Ladoga 1111+-27 0.228 Male
VK214 X2c1 N/A Denmark_Gerdrup-A12 Denmark Sealand Gerdrup 1800 BC 0.131 Female
VK395 X2c1 N1a1a1a1a1a2a1a2 Sweden_Skara 275 Sweden Skara Varnhem 10-12th centuries CE 1.437 Male
VK494 X2c2 R1a1a Poland_Sandomierz 1/13 Poland Sandomierz Sandomierz 10-11th centuries CE 0.164 Male

Оффлайн Ravnur

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Тут некоторые смешные чудаки не понимают. что такое этногенез прагерманцев, в период их выделения из балтославянской общности начало 5-6 тысяч лет и присутствие I2 (палеобалканской, неиндоевропейской)  среди современных германских народов. кстати весьма малое. если вычесть всяких понаехавших к ним боснийцев, албанцев, сербов, украинцев, поляков и тому подобных которые тоже норовят тестироваться.

Все выжившие к настоящему времени субклады I2a непалеобалканские, если брать последние 10 тыс. лет. Проснитесь и вылазьте уже из нулевых. Подавляющее большинство боснийцев, албанцев, сербов, украинцев и поляков, которых вы упомянули принадлежат к одному молодому субкладу I-Y3120, к которому из данного списка можно отнести 3 из 14 образцов.
Остальные 11(!) образцов I2a это типичные западноевропейские I2a (как и все из ныне сохранившихся, за вычетом I-Y3120) которых пруд пруди. Выше вам даже было приведено дерево YFull.

Не следует пафосом и патетикой прикрывать своё невежество и закоренелые стереотипы конца нулевых.

Оффлайн RomanS

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Кстати, уважаемые коллеги!

А есть ли у кого-либо информация планируют ли уважаемые руководители проекта Yfull добраться до ВАМ-файлов этого исследования и загрузить их в Древо Yfull?

Оффлайн пенелопа

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Так БАМы еще не выложены в открытый доступ, вроде.

Оффлайн smolinsky

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Цитировать
VK122   H24a   N/A   Iceland_A114   Iceland   Hofstadir   Hofstadir   10-13th centuries CE   1.31   Female                                                
VK544   H24a   N/A   Ireland_FG254   Ireland   Dublin   Finglas   9th century CE   1.613   Female   

Походы викингов могут хорошо объяснить почему все (не считая немки с английской фамилией) совпаденцы с шагом=1 по мито находятся в Британии:



Не совсем понятно -  почему таковых нет в нынешней Скандинавии?
Хотя вариантов множество.


Оффлайн Andvari

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Если есть условно "славянские" I2, то как дела с R1a обстоят? Не понимаю неифулловскую терминологию типа "R1a1a1b1a2"
Необычные R1a есть?

Оффлайн Tambio

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Зачем начинать с банальностей, если есть опубликованная работа со всеми приложениями в пдф и экселе.  Там все по косточкам разобрано и обьяснено.  Интересная могила в Луцке R1a.

Lutsk city, Volyn oblast (region), Ukraine

1268 Relevance for the Vikings: Rurik dynasty

1269 Izjaslav Ingvarevych, «Izjaslav, son of Ingvar» (in Ukrainian and Russian languages endings -ovych,
-evych after the name have a meaning «son of») was 13th 1270 century prince of Dorogobuzh, Principality
1271 of Volhynia/Galicia, aged 30-40 according to anthropologist analysis.
1272 Sources of information: Skull was found in 1989 in a tomb on the territory of Lutsk castle

Я вот прочитал здесь: В 2018 г. профессор истории из НУЛП Святослав Шеломенцев-Терский указал на останки как на вероятно принадлежащие Изяславу Ингваревичу.[2] Однако, Y-гаплотип черепа не совпал ни с кем из известных Рюриковичей и почти не встречается в Скандинавии.

Оффлайн пенелопа

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гаплотип черепа?  ;D

Оффлайн Oxon

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Я вот прочитал здесь: В 2018 г. профессор истории из НУЛП Святослав Шеломенцев-Терский указал на останки как на вероятно принадлежащие Изяславу Ингваревичу.[2] Однако, Y-гаплотип черепа не совпал ни с кем из известных Рюриковичей и почти не встречается в Скандинавии.
  Тут дилемма, да.  Кому верить - черепу из погребения или родословным.

Оффлайн Laszcz

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Ого. Сколько много)
И все там были судя по всему среди викингов)

Странно что N1 всего пару штук.

17 раз N1 встречается:


Правда не все они викинги.

А кто не викинг?

Видимо «эстонцы»
Они, скорей всего, из откопаной в 2010 году ладьи викингов.
https://www.1tv.ru/news/2011-08-22/120249-estonskie_arheologi_otkopali_ladyu_s_ostankami_vikingov
https://rus.delfi.lv/news/daily/abroad/v-estonii-najdeny-samye-pervye-vikingi.d?id=43418315&all=true

Кстати, полное исследование по артефактам и изотопам из Сааремаа
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/antiquity/article/isotopic-provenancing-of-the-salme-ship-burials-in-previking-age-estonia/2104723979CFABF9B89CD36851218E62/core-reader#

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дДНК и нас все же не обидел:  VK139 Denmark - R1a-L1029. А мито - J1c.

 

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