АвторТема: Ted Kandell поделился ссылкой в группе J1 Y-DNA.  (Прочитано 452 раз)

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"Таким образом, похоже, что j1 возник на Кавказе во время позднего ледникового максимума" 


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Re: Ted Kandell поделился ссылкой в группе J1 Y-DNA.
« Ответ #1 : 23 Август 2018, 22:01:22 »
Interesting.  Could you cut-and-paste his whole post on this forum?

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Re: Ted Kandell поделился ссылкой в группе J1 Y-DNA.
« Ответ #2 : 24 Август 2018, 11:03:43 »
Лови, Джим.

Because of the new results from the Chalcolithic Levant from 6500 years ago (c. 4500 BCE) that show a complete absence of J1, I'd like to summarize the evidence we have now about the origin of J1 (almost all J-Y5324 / J-YSC0000235) in the Levant, Mesopotamia and Arabia, and J1 in general:
• J1b was found in a Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer (CHG) from Georgia 13,500 years ago.
• Eastern European Hunter-Gatherers (EHGs) were J (xJ2), almost certainly J1, including a hunter-gatherer from Reindeer Island in Lake Ozero in Karelia (who was found alongside an R1a*). Even today there are some J1b people from Finland here in this group.
• A J1 was found in Velikent Dagestan from the Early Bronze Age Kura-Araxes culture 3000-2800 BCE (5000-4800 ybp), contemporary with Yamnaya further north. Today there are some groups in Dagestan who are nearly 100% J1. The earliest branches of J1-P58* were found in modern samples from Dagestan.
• J1 was found in the BMAC culture in Turkmenistan before 2000 BCE, and also two individuals from the Iron Age Swat Valley in Pakistan from about 2000 yeas ago. Today we find an early branch of J1-P58 among the Jatt people of Punjab.
• The Levantine Chalcolithic T1a1a and E1b1b1 results from the Galilee show that J1-P58 was very likely absent from the pre-Middle Bronze Age Levant. These people were not the direct ancestors of the later people of the Middle Bronze Levant.
• J-Z2324 has shown up three times in ancient DNA: An individual from the very start of the Middle Bronze Age in 'Ain Ghazal (Amman) Jordan from 2000 BCE, a child from Middle Bronze Age Sidon from 1600 BCE, and a priest of Osiris from Abusir, Egypt from 600 BCE. The Amorites were in the first two locations at those times, and Amorites settled in the Eastern Nile Delta in large numbers starting in the 14th Dynasty, around 1650 BCE. The Egyptian Amorites could be the ancestors of the Egyptian priest 1000 years later. All of these locations also had J2b1-M205.
• The haplotype of the Egyptian from 600 BCE is uniquely compatible with being J-Y2919 (J-YSC0000076).
• The child from Sidon from 1600 BCE was J-FGC11*. Today, this is almost an exclusively "Arab" J1 clade, but at the time Sidon was part of the Kingdom of Amurru.
• The Amorites originated a desert nomads in northeast Syria in the Early Bronze Age, but suddenly after the extreme drought of the 4.2 Kiloyear Event in 2200 BCE, they exploded all over the Fertile Crescent in 2034 BCE. The Sumerian King Shu-sin of Ur in 2034 BCE attempted to build a massive "border wall" called the "Repeller of the Nomads", but this border wall failed to do what it was supposed to accomplish, and the Amorites overran Mesopotamia and founded the city of Babylon. By the time of King Hammurabi of Babylon in 1650 BCE, no one in Southern Mesopotamia claimed to be Sumerian. Everyone, including Hammurabi himself, claimed to be a descendant of the Amorites.
• J-FGC11, which is the dominant Y clade in Saudi Arabia. J-FGC11 only begins to expand after the Late Bronze Age collapse starting around 1200 BCE (another climate change event) with the domestication of the camel, that allowed nomads to survive in the deep deserts of Arabia. Many of the major Arabian sub-clades of J-FGC11 only have tMRCAs starting at 2100 BCE, about the time of the conquest of the Kingdom of Saba and other South Arabian kingdoms by the Kingdom of Himyar. These extremely common Arabian and very recent J-FGC11 subclades like J-Y5324 (J-FGC1724) include both "Qahtani" (South Arabian) and "Adnani / Qaysi" (North Arabian) tribes, all mixed together.
So it looks like J1 originated in the Caucasus during the Late Glacial Maximum (LGM), became a part of the Kura-Araxes culture in the Early Bronze Age, and first moved eastward to the BMAC culture of Turkmenistan before moving south with the Amorites. The most common branch of J1 in the Near East outside of the Caucasus, J-FGC11, only starts to expand at the time of the Late Bronze Age collapse after 1200 BCE with the domestication of the camel. J1 seems to have been absent from the southern Fertile Crescent Before the Amorites arrived around 2000 BCE.


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Re: Ted Kandell поделился ссылкой в группе J1 Y-DNA.
« Ответ #3 : 24 Август 2018, 11:26:17 »
Excellent new information.  Thanks.


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